Topic: Live?

[Ian Sane]

"Then at next E3, Nintendo will be the ONLY one of the three with anything really 'new' to show. And at THAT E3, Nintendo can truly 'steal' the show as it will be a one horse affair next time."

The Xbox 360 launches this year.  Nintendo HAS to show off the Rev before then or they risk losing a huge chunk of potential Rev owners to the Xbox 360.  Hell the PS3 might even be out by next E3.  By this time next year everyone will either own an Xbox 360 or will have decided to buy a PS3.  If they wait that long they will have no chance in hell of competing.

[Savior]

360 wont even have PDZero, at least in my case they lost my potential sale...

a good TGS, or a Spaceworld can easyly fix things... they just need to get ALL Third Parties on board.  

[Fro]

After more thought, I probably wouldn't have been upset if they hadn't leaked the information about the game emulation and the pictures of the system before the conference.

There's certainly more time to fix things, but they need something more concrete by the time 360 launches.

[Rancid Planet]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
If they wait that long they will have no chance in hell of competing.

But of course they will Ian. Gamers DO buy more than one system these days and Nintendo are trying to do what they SHOULD have done with the cube. Become the casual gamers second system. That is the best way to work their way out of the hole they dug themselves all those years ago.

Listen man, go look at some XBOX forums. I have been. Some of those guys are literally foaming at the mouth over the downloadable Nintendo library.

Things are NOT perfect for the Rev. By any means at all. All I am saying is that there is serious reason to hope here.

And don't be so sure that MS is going to set the world on fire before the Rev gets it's chance either. Most MS fanboys are already on board, although even some of them are a tad put off by this whole "It's really XBOX  V. 1.5" thing. Those guys are used to having THE most powerful and unique system around. But they will NOT have that luxury this time. The Rev plans on hitting them where it hurts by CRUSHING their downloadable content plans with the Nintendo library. And aggresively attacking them on the online front.

Sony will be the powerhouse company next gen as well. Not MS.

Plus as I said, MS will be launching at the end of the year, a much longer distance from this E3 then Nintendo will be launching after next year's, THEIR E3.

The coming gen has been turned upside down. This is NOT the same playing field as last time my friend. Things are SO different this time. Nintendo aren't getting out the door first and this does pose a problem. But at the same time, you must look at the TIMING of all the variables here.

The future brings HOPE, real HOPE for the Rev. More than I ever saw for the GCN a year before it's launch. I'm telling you Nintendo have outsmarted their competitors in ways that even they most likely haven't realized yet. Trust me on this Ian. You will eventually see all the promise this situation holds. Once you, and the rest here, have let your emotions die down a bit and can think straight again.

And if none of you do eventually see things they way I do...well then...tough. heh. I, for one, am very pleased with how things are looking. But perhaps, that's because I was the one being the negative fanboy a week ago and now MY fears have been stamped out.

 

[kirby_killer_dedede]

Nintendo lost the generation by not revealing their console today.

-_-

They always make the best stuff but make the absolute most dumbass decisions sometimes.

[Rancid Planet]

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Originally posted by: kirby_killer_dedede
Nintendo lost the generation by not revealing their console today.

Fine I give up. NINTENDO IS TEH DOOMED! LETZ ALL GO BLOW R BRAINZ OUT CUZ TEH NINTENDO DIDNT AANOUSE DAT DA REV WOOD GIVE OUT FREE CANDY AND MONEY!!!1

[Ian Sane]

"Gamers DO buy more than one system these days and Nintendo are trying to do what they SHOULD have done with the cube. Become the casual gamers second system. That is the best way to work their way out of the hole they dug themselves all those years ago."

No that IS the hole they've dug themselves into.  The Cube is the "second system" and that contributes largely to why third party games sell like crap on it.  If I already own one of the other systems then I only need the Cube for exclusives.  That completely kills third party sales because first party games are the ONLY games that absolutely remain exclusive.  Multiplatform titles are a complete waste and there's no point in making third party exclusives when you can be sure that most Cube owners will own one of the other consoles.  There's no incentive for third parties at all.

And image is important.  Most people only buy one console and they want to pick a winner.  If Nintendo is not even trying to be the winner few will buy their console.  They'll have the image of a loser console and that is incredibly damaging to system sales.

The whole idea just makes no sense.  It would completely piss off every Nintendo fan who can only afford one console.  I REFUSE to buy a second console.  I will buy ONE and ONLY ONE and if Nintendo is going to intentionally force me to buy another console then I'm not going to give them my business.  I want everything I need on one console.  Nintendo has failed at providing that for the last two generations.  Hope that things will improve is what keeps me loyal.  They try to be the "second console" and there's no more hope.  And if I don't have that I'm not buying a Rev.

[Savior]

If you want one console, then hope an pray that Microsoft and Nintendo fail for the one console future..


Me i despise that, if you cant afford all 3 then tough but competition creates quality. Monopoly mediocrity

[Rancid Planet]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
l.

And image is important.  Most people only buy one console and they want to pick a winner.  If Nintendo is not even trying to be the winner few will buy their console.  They'll have the image of a loser console and that is incredibly damaging to system sales.

Okay, now THAT is a valid point, Ian. While I can defend Nintendo's position at E3, I cannot defend any position for them besides what they deserve which IS the top spot. So in that quote I've made of yours Ian, you are totally right.

But let's talk about what it means to be a "second system" for a sec. Developers aren't interested in what is "cool". Hell, with the whole "retro" thing being in right now, Nintendo has plenty of cool points. The problem are those hipsters, (you know the Ipod fake hippies), they don't buy games. They buy weed, heh. So Nintendo despite any underground cool it might have to whatever subculture or another still doesn't sell enough third party software OR enough hardware to call itself a "marketshare go getter". So the developers stay away.

But look at what The Rev can do to change this.

First off, the fact that it has, supposedly, the easiest and most cost effective hardware to develop for means that in times of financial stress, third parties will see Nintendo in a whole new light. The extra games they bring Nintendo for that very reason will help bring marketshare to Nintendo without them lifting a finger. Which is good for Nintendo, because historically they don't lift many fingers in that arena.

Secondly, with all I mentioned in earlier posts that would help Nintendo become that favored "second system", they are SURE to gain more market respect from that as well. Developers won't care why anyone owns a Rev or if it's their first or second favorite console. Just so long as they own it and buy games for it. This will keep Nintendo on the rise financially and the more money they make and the more respect developers gain for them due to increased marketshare, the more great games guys like you and me (who only buy one system a gen) get to play on our beloved Nintendo home console.

See? Being a second system to a large audience may be disheartening as fan of Nintendo. But as gamers it benefits us by making the Rev a more favored console than it's older brother was. We all win in some respect that way.

The Rev must do all these things to become a "second system" in order to slowly gain back it's former marketshare glory and then it's fair share of quality third party offerings. And the Rev can do it. I know it can.  

[jasonditz]

Ian, I have to know

Short of designing the Revolution by taking retail PS3s and slapping a Nintendo logo on them, exactly how can they be the console you want them to be?

Exactly how does the Cube fail people as an "only system"?

[Ian Sane]

"Short of designing the Revolution by taking retail PS3s and slapping a Nintendo logo on them, exactly how can they be the console you want them to be?

Exactly how does the Cube fail people as an 'only system'?"

So far, based on what we know, the Rev pretty much is the console I want it to be.  I want it to have options.  I want it to be online.  I want it to have good third party support from a variety of developers.  I want it to have all the genres covered and have all the demographics covered.  Ideally I want to rarely have the feeling I'm missing out.  With the SNES I rarely felt I was missing out.  For all the Genesis exclusives there was something comparable I could play instead.

With the Cube I didn't have that feeling.  It didn't provide all the options.  GTA and Halo were big titles and the Cube literally had no exclusives that were even the same type of game.  There were virtually no online Cube games.  There wasn't that good of third party support.  There was a feeling of missing out on something.

I don't want anyone to think I don't like the Rev.  So far I LOVE it.  They haven't released any info that sours if for me yet.  I'm just concerned that they're waiting too long to provide us with the important info and it's going to hurt them.  In order for the Rev to deliver it has to be reasonably successful and the longer Nintendo lets the competition build up hype the harder it's going to be for the Rev to be successful.  And by successful I mean strong market share and strong mindshare because that's what benefits me.

[nemo_83]

My biggest problem is that they put so much emphasis on the controller and didn't even show a decoy version.  At least Sony delivered on their graphics hype, even if it isn't running on actual PS3 hardware, thats ok cause unlike the X360 it isn't coming out till next year.  

I feel so lied to again.  Yeah the REV casing looks great, the online at launch, and the total backwards compatibility is great; but the thing they hyped no showed.  

Sony and MS didn't even hype their controllers and they showed them.

I was disappointed with all three conferences even though I found some good things in Sony's and Nintendo's.  I was expecting so much more.  MS was so vulnerable with the controller and the graphics.  It was a one two punch, or it should have been.  Sony with graphics, Nintendo with innovative controls, together they could have burried MS like the Saturn and Dreamcast without spending an extra dime beyond today on damage control against the X360.  Nintendo will probably do something like wait till right before the X360 launches and show its controller and graphics.  I doubt there will be a full blown SpaceWorld.  It is just too expensive.  They should have taken advantage of having the stage today.  The whole world was watching, whether they loved Nintendo or hated them, today was their chance to wow, and they showed Nintendogs.

[jasonditz]

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Originally posted by: nemo_83
The whole world was watching, whether they loved Nintendo or hated them, today was their chance to wow, and they showed Nintendogs.

Job well done as far as I'm concerned... I definately want Nintendogs now

[mantidor]

so any links to the full thing? as I said I only could listen, damn crappy connection  

[nemo_83]

cube.ign has the whole thing up, it is better when you actually can tell what is going on.  the feed earlier today was buffering every few frames.  

[mantidor]

330 MB! Its too big of a file for me! Im getting it anyway, but Ill finish the download probably tomorrow >_<, thanks for the info

[IceCold]

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Originally posted by: Mike_Tyson
I still think the Revolution will outpower the Xbox 360 still so thats one edge it has already.

I had thought that too (how could it not) but Reggie said that the Rev was 2-3 times as powerful as the Cube while the Xbox2 is 10-15 times more powerful than the Xbox apparently. I know, I know, these don't tell all of the story at all about the graphics, and the specs could be different, but it isn't looking good.

[Dasmos]

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Originally posted by: nemo_83
Sony and MS didn't even hype their controllers and they showed them.

Their controllers are nothing to be hyped over. Obviously the lack of controller means it is something to be desired..