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Offline PZ

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Is Nintendo Playing the Wrong Game?
« on: July 22, 2003, 03:33:06 PM »
This is an article from business2.com. the address is http://business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,50984,00.html (I dont know how to post a link).

Ive never posted before, but I keep reading posts from all these people who know exactly what nintendo should do for the nes5, and this article tells a little of what they are actually doing.  For any who dont want to read: it talks for a while about how nintendo lost its console monopoly over the last 10 years and then there is some stuff about what theyre doing to get it back for the next generation.  If youre worried about nintendo dying with the next generation, this article points out some things:

1. people may come back to nintendo if they decide they dont want to pay 300 or 400 dollars for a console.

2. heres the big one I think.  it seems that a lot of people are saying that nintendos next generations MUST include DVD, hard drive, broadband internet, and everything else sony and ms are putting in theirs.  what people dont seem to realize is that they can do this and still remain true to their "gaming only" stance that they have.  really, its already started with the panasonic Q.  all they have to do is make a Nintendo NES5 that is gaming only, but they can also liscence the hardware for the nes5 to be put in other devices. There are other companies that have a lot to lose if Sony and Microsoft's vision succeeds and they, like nintendo, arent going down without a fight.  So maybe Panasonic will license the nes5 like they did with gamecube and make a Q2 that also plays DVDs.  Apple could make an iNES5 that has broadband and downloads music and videos and everything.  This will enable the NES5 to compete on equal ground with xbox2 and ps3 and it will also allow nintendo to stay as true to their "games only" philosophy as they please.

anyway, with ideas like this, i think should quiet the people who say nintendo is doomed if their next console cant jump through all the hoops like sony and ms do, and it will also keep the people happy who say they didnt want dvd in the gamecube anyway.

all they have to do is bring it to america instead of japan only like the Q.

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RE: Is Nintendo Playing the Wrong Game?
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2003, 03:58:59 PM »
I must admit...that intro is pretty depressing.
But seriously, Xbox is a karaoke machine? Whahahahahaa!

Argh, damn....you need to be a subscriber...
What I think though is that the article simply expresses the ideas of what people WANT Nintendo's console to have, to see if it can really compete.
But seriously.....why doesn't Sony and MS make games-only machines and see how they go there? I've said it before, it would even out the arguments immensely, and stop the tech heads from complaining about Nintendo.
That would be seriously more financially freasible, since they wouldn't have to invest in two consoles.

And what? There are people complaining about NIntendo's price tags?
Ps2 and XBox are the ones that are insanely expensive!!! What are those people getting at? GCN was the cheapes console by a long shot! And it still is!

Anyway, if you can provide us with the full article, and not just the intro, then that would be great.
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Is Nintendo Playing the Wrong Game?
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2003, 07:15:39 AM »
Sony and MS feel that people want an entertainment solution.  Why would you want t different box for everything you like to do in front of your TV when you could have 1?  The idea has promise, its just that its so expensive to buy it all at once and it doens't allow for personal customability and preference which is big with consumer electronics like dvd players and the like.

Didn't phillips and 3do try this already years ago with the Cd-i and whatever the other is called, it will be interesting to see how it pans out though, the idea of an all in one system has potential yet very big limitations.
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RE:Is Nintendo Playing the Wrong Game?
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2003, 12:05:37 PM »
the maker was at&t and trip hawkins, who later founded 3DO.
It was licensed out to hardware producers, most commonly Panasonic. It costed too much so no one ever bought into it.

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RE:Is Nintendo Playing the Wrong Game?
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2003, 02:51:53 PM »
I've always felt that Nintendo licensing their hardware to other companies was the way for them to go, if they wanted a piece of that multimedia pie in any way. I still believe there's room for an all gaming console out there, but it has to be something really special in that regard to compensate for the lack of multimedia features.  By multimedia I pretty much just mean the playing of things like CDs/DVDs/SACDs or whatever, things like Tivo-like recording of TV shows, MP3 ripping, or even copying using optical media.  A harddrive and Internet connectivity though, I consider intrinsic to the future of videogames and hope Nintendo feels the same way in a few years if not today.

Their attempt, or Matsushita's attempt, at using Nintendo hardware in a multimedia product this generation seems just miserable to me.  That Q thing is an abomination, absolutely the opposite of what it's intended audience would desire from that kind of product.  They should have simply made a normal looking DVD player, with the Gamecube hardware integrated, instead of putting out an unattractive block expecting people to gladly add its tacky visage to their entertainment centers.  Had they done it right, there might've even been some parody between the two Gamecube iterations in terms of sales.  Now it's important to note that If in the next-generation, Nintendo or the company's they deal with do start doing things right as far as 'diversifying' the product, they must be careful not to fracture their market.  Too many takes on the same product could be detrimental, in ways I don't feel like getting into because it's a bloated subject.  I would add though it would be interesting to see a company like Apple add value to their product-lines by offering some desktop model with built-in Gamecube 2 technology, as opposed to yet another set-top box contending for your shelf space but whatever.

As for the issue of price, first they are not substantially less expensive than the competition as it stands today.  What's worse is, with the negative image Nintendo has been fostering exacerbating things, the lower price point actually hurts them in some regards.  People do associate price with outright value, so when the Xbox or the PS2 offer their product at just 25 to 50 dollars more, and they discover those machines have more features whatever they may be on top of that, Gamecube ends up devalued in their eyes.  Of course I'm referring to the general masses here, the mainstream, that lucrative glut of any potential consumer-base.  I would pay 250+ for a new Nintendo machine, if I thought it was truly special.  If it were a monster in terms of game-only-related features, details of which deserve their own topic I think, then they might be better off next-generation starting off with just a 20 or 50 dollar price difference relative to the competition as opposed to a full 100 dollar price difference.  Convincing people through marketing alone that they're getting a product that's just as good as the 300 to 400 dollar machines for 100 less would be a bit too challenging I believe. Unless of course they have something truly special, such as mind-blowingly nice looking games, that simply advertise themselves.  Yes fantastic gameplay is necessary too of course, but people tend to look to more superficial elements they can take in at a glance as a measure of value unfortunately.    

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RE:Is Nintendo Playing the Wrong Game?
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2003, 06:45:20 AM »
yeah i'm going to have to agree with cell on this one (as i find myself doing lately) - over diversifying the product could really drag it down.  imagine if there was a gross over-estimation of the iNES5 market and we all realised that mac users only make up a tenth of the gamer's market, and of those only 40% purchased the iNES?  suddenly we're reliving overstocked inventory all over again.
i think in very soon we're all going to realise what it happening to the technology market.  it's becoming more and more affordable to move away from all in one products, and purchase focused, higher quality equipment.  this really would re-enforce nintendo's game only focus, and to me would be far more appealing seeing as i already have a dvd rom drive in my pc, my parents just bought themselves a dvd player, i have a burner in my pc but can get a new one (my old one's only 4x) for under aus$70, and any number of my friends have digital cameras that i have easy access to.
i don't want an all in one unit, nor do i want several incarnations of a product that is complimented by different things - what if the iNES looks wikkid, but Q2 supports DVD-R mastering?  there are enough of these products out there
and anyway - apple would make the iNES white - have you seen the white limited ed ps2?  it's hideous.
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