Topic: Eiji Aonuma Never Completed Zelda 1

[marty]

@TJ
Your analogy makes no sense.  Game sales of equal popularity, in different times, should scale with market and population growth PERIOD.

@ mop and unclebob
http://gonintendo.com/?p=58260
LOL. eat it, nerds.

[NWR_insanolord]

You can't just come in here and (1) Link GoNintendo (2) in a way that doesn't really apply to the argument at hand and (3) personally insult two non-obnoxious forum users. In the future, use a more civil tone, and use evidence that is actually applicable in the context from a real web site.

[Ian Sane]

Zelda 1 is not quite as obtuse as it appears.  The game came with a map that detailed the locations of the first several dungeons and had big question marks in places to look and such.  The assumption was that you would look at this map.  Remember that during the NES era they didn't have the cartridge space to detail everything in the game itself.  But games get seperated from manuals so when you judge the game entirely on what is on the cartridge itself you have no clue where to go or what to do.

The game still has some frustrating bullshit like Link's shitty sword range.  Zelda 1 is brutally unfair in the same way Metroid is.  By the SNES game they realized that treating the player as the enemy is not good design.  LttP and Super Metroid aren't just more fair in that they aren't as obtuse in design but that they give the player enough control of the character (and health) to survive against enemies.  Those games don't have a unfair advantage over the player and that is why they are beloved.

I find it interesting that there as so many people that claim that as kids they were willing to hunt and peck everywhere to figure out where to go in Zelda 1.  You guys had considerably more patience as a kid then I ever did.  You can talk about kids having more free time than adults but for me it would not have mattered.  I would have gotten bored.  I never choose tedium as entertainment.

[UncleBob]

@ mop and unclebob
http://gonintendo.com/?p=58260
LOL. eat it, nerds.

What?  A Wii Fit promotional tie-in with an existing cereal?
That's your big "Wii Fit Cereal"?

To that, I raise you: http://www.gamertell.com/technologytell/article/eat-kelloggs-cereal-earn-1000-dsi-points-win-a-nintendo-ds-or-dsi/

This promo featured several different boxes that included Link, DK, Kirby and a few other various Nintendo characters.

If your's counts as a Wii Fit cereal, then these count as Mario and Zelda cereals.

[Ceric]

I know it was a boredom thing with mean and that the carrots really weren't that for apart for say burning all the trees.

[ejamer]

I know it was a boredom thing with mean and that the carrots really weren't that for apart for say burning all the trees.

Same here. Growing up in a small village, without enough money to afford more than one or two games a year, sometimes burning trees or bombing walls randomly in Zelda was as exciting as anything else. And it really doesn't take *that* long to uncover stuff - especially if you limit your search to the most likely areas. Certainly not worse than grinding in any RPG of the day.


That said, I was happy to find that Link to the Past showed you where to bomb walls. Much less frustration and wasted time that way. Shame the pattern wasn't just a bit more subtle or varied for some of the "secret" places to bomb though - it really does border on being too obvious.

[marty]

You can't just come in here and (1) Link GoNintendo (2) in a way that doesn't really apply to the argument at hand and (3) personally insult two non-obnoxious forum users. In the future, use a more civil tone, and use evidence that is actually applicable in the context from a real web site.

I was taking the piss out of a dumb argument continued by two forum users, that while maybe non-obnoxious to you, were being obnoxious.  I didn't get lax on my civility until the conversation went to **** ("where's mah cereal") despite the fact that their claims were, at best, baseless and based on enthusiastic ignorance.  I really don't know what you read to see it any other way.

[UncleBob]

I didn't get lax on my civility until the conversation went to **** ("where's mah cereal") despite the fact that their claims were, at best, baseless and based on enthusiastic ignorance.

Yeah, it pretty much went to **** right about that time...
 

Where is the cereal and TV show?

I was taking the piss out of a dumb argument started by one forum user, that while maybe non-obnoxious to you, were being obnoxious.

FTFY.