Topic: Consumers Rate Nintendo as One of the 'Most Reputable' Companies

[GoldenPhoenix]

Yeah I am with you in regards to buying more downloadable stuff for Wii, but it is pretty pathetic now with the one VC game a week. And DSi ware is just sad now.

[NWR_Lindy]

I never even mentioned core, casual, MS or Sony, so whatever.  I was strictly talking Wii games, and I have a long memory for Nintendo consoles.  It takes a lot to get me interested these days because I've played it all, it seems.

[KDR_11k]

And I knew somebody would say that, and my response is that those games aren't really my thing.  I'm not disputing their quality, but I didn't buy a Wii for Wii Sports or Wii Fit like most people do.

I apologize if that's a crime.

I'm just objecting to complaints about a lack of innovation while simultaneously dismissing all the games that have innovation. That they're not your thing is fine but they are innovative.

[NWR_Lindy]

Innovation can be defined in many different ways.  I certainly value some innovations above others (obviously).  The new input stuff is cool and all, but I look at it like, you know, I didn't need it.  It wasn't necessary for me and wasn't done for me, so I don't value it like many others do.  I think that's where the disconnect comes from for me, I'm more interested in pushing the boundaries of the social interactivity of the game world (bigger worlds, more players involved, cooperative goals and gameplay) than I am in innovating how players interact with the game.  I'm probably more impressed by interactivity inside games than outside games at this point, if that makes any sense.

[Peachylala]

The VC in America is HORRIBLE. While it has alot of the classics I contiune to play (SMB3 <3), Nintendo of America is doing a horrible job keeping it up.

All in all, I like the Nintendo platforms more than the Sony and Microsoft platforms this generation, I've been disappointed by more 360 and PS3 games (mainly Gears of War, Too Human, Infinite Undiscovery and Heavenly Sword) than I have with the Wii and DS games.

Ugh, don't get me started on that. If the Wii was HD, we would have games in colors other then BROWN. And Mario Galaxy would look more awesome then it already is.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Innovation can be defined in many different ways.  I certainly value some innovations above others (obviously).  The new input stuff is cool and all, but I look at it like, you know, I didn't need it.  It wasn't necessary for me and wasn't done for me, so I don't value it like many others do.  I think that's where the disconnect comes from for me, I'm more interested in pushing the boundaries of the social interactivity of the game world (bigger worlds, more players involved, cooperative goals and gameplay) than I am in innovating how players interact with the game.  I'm probably more impressed by interactivity inside games than outside games at this point, if that makes any sense.

Is it because you have a better environment and opportunity in life right now to enjoy social gaming than you did before?

For me that stuff's kinda soooo late-90's so I yearn for new ideas in physical interfacing, where skill becomes a mind-body coordination issue rather than the classic thumb-button coordination issue.

[NWR_Lindy]

It's probably more to do with lifestyle.  I would appreciate the physical interface stuff more if I had more of a reason to use it.  I don't have kids, and my fiancee and I seldom have people over (our apartment is a shoebox so it's not good for entertaining), so we seldom "game in a group", so to speak.  I've also gravitated away from solo-gamer fare like Mario Galaxy (Metroid 3 being the exception, because I love its game world), and moved into more online multiplayer co-operative stuff.  This is why my favorite Wii game is Mario Kart Wii...it lets you get online and play with other people, not co-operatively, but it's group gaming nonetheless.

I love group gaming, but more as a virtual group than a physical group nowadays.  That's a product of my age, since when you're in your thirties your friends move to different spots on the map and start doing their own thing.  You don't all live in the same dorm or apartment complex any more, for example.

[NWR_insanolord]

It's probably more to do with lifestyle.  I would appreciate the physical interface stuff more if I had more of a reason to use it.  I don't have kids, and my fiancee and I seldom have people over (our apartment is a shoebox so it's not good for entertaining), so we seldom "game in a group", so to speak.  I've also gravitated away from solo-gamer fare like Mario Galaxy (Metroid 3 being the exception, because I love its game world), and moved into more online multiplayer co-operative stuff.  This is why my favorite Wii game is Mario Kart Wii...it lets you get online and play with other people, not co-operatively, but it's group gaming nonetheless.

I love group gaming, but more as a virtual group than a physical group nowadays.  That's a product of my age, since when you're in your thirties your friends move to different spots on the map and start doing their own thing.  You don't all live in the same dorm or apartment complex any more, for example.

If you want something that's great online you should really check out Excitebots if you haven't already.

[DAaaMan64]

Oops, I tripped the "Nintendo Criticism" alarm.  I'll wait until the alarm goes off.

I'll take my independent thought elsewhere.

But wait can you explain without your tone here why what GP said was unreasonable? She said:
 

Pikmin, and Animal Crossing. Paper Mario and Mario and Luigi series. Brain Age. Advance Wars. Battalion Wars. All are different types of games released after 1996.

Whats so bad about the series' she mentioned? Why don't they satisfy? You just kinda made a snoody remark and nothing else after that.

Personally, I think I'd like it if we could just expand or games online, get a verbose online structure and I would be much happier. Plus I'd like to see some more sandboxy feel to games, like the way the Battlefront games feel. etc. Lots of control.

My 2 sexnts.

[Flames_of_chaos]

Technically Advance Wars existed in Japan since the NES known as the famicom wars.  But Pikmin, AC, Mario and Luigi, Battalion Wars I'll buy . The only thing I wish Nintendo did is localize Soma Bringer and some Japanese only games.

[Ian Sane]

I'm just objecting to complaints about a lack of innovation while simultaneously dismissing all the games that have innovation. That they're not your thing is fine but they are innovative.

The existence of innovation is not the only requirement.  As with any request there is the unspoken assumption that the results will be good.  If you ask for something to eat and are given dog food your request may TECHNICALLY be fulfilled but you obviously meant something decent.  Some games are innovative but are crap because their innovative idea doesn't really work out to well, while some very derivative games are classics because they just do everything so well.

I will freelly admit that the Wii controller is innovative... but it's lame.  I don't want just the same stuff from Nintendo so I want them to innovate but the results have to be engaging.  The mere presence of innovation is not good enough.  So far I feel most of the Wii's best games don't use the remote in any sort of way that actually improves the game.  If anything it just makes the controls less precise and more of a chore to use.  Wii Sports makes good use of the remote and is innovative BUT it's also a scaled down non-game that I had fun with but lacked enough depth to get any lasting play out of it.  I was bored of it in about a week and wouldn't have bought it if it wasn't a pack-in.  Wii Fit is innovative but the concept is lame.  Wii Music is innovative but the game fucking sucks.

For someone like me that has no interest whatsoever in non-games like the Wii ____ Series the best Nintendo games on the Wii would be Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3 and SSB Brawl.  TP is a Gamecube game.  The use of the remote is completely unnecessary and the game is easily the most derivative 3D Zelda game yet.  Brawl plays better with the Gamecube controller so it also does not benefit from the remote.  Mario Galaxy's usage is quite laughably minor.  Metroid Prime 3 is the only title there that makes what I would consider really good use of the remote.  But even then Retro could have acheived similar results with a mouse and the experience is arguably more generic as it makes the game play more like a typical FPS (likely to please the close-minded rubes that decided not to like the first game).

Of those four, three of them might as well be Cube games as they provide no real gameplay experience that could not be achieved on it.  All four of these are sequels and just due to the law of diminishing returns are not as fresh and exciting as their predecessors.  Pikmin and Metroid Prime were really exciting on the Cube because they were NEW EXPERIENCES.  No game before played quite like them.  On the Wii the new experiences are stuff like Wii Sports.  But those are aimed at a completely different market.  For the old market Nintendo has yet to provide something that couldn't have been done before, and is on par with their best work.  This is what I'm looking for.  That's what I'm hoping for at E3.  I want to see the Wii's Pikmin.  No not Pikmin 3 (though I will enjoy that) but the Wii equivalent of Pikmin, a new gameplay experience with the quality of Nintendo's greatest games.

[NWR_Lindy]

Hopefully Wii MotionPlus will provide these new experiences, Ian.  However, I wonder if game designers are honestly created enough to go beyond the "Hey!  Let's use the controller as a bat/sword/golf club!" paradigm.

As for my "snooty remark", I have no criticisms for the games GP listed.  They're all really good games, but I didn't fall in love with any of them (or finish any of them either; they all lost me after a while).  Metroid Prime 3 is the last Nintendo game that I played front-to-back and absolutely loved.  And I think that's notable, because MP3 is very different in tone and feel from almost any Nintendo game out there, and is actually a black sheep amongst its game lineup these days.

[DAaaMan64]

Hopefully Wii MotionPlus will provide these new experiences, Ian.  However, I wonder if game designers are honestly created enough to go beyond the "Hey!  Let's use the controller as a bat/sword/golf club!" paradigm.

As for my "snooty remark", I have no criticisms for the games GP listed.  They're all really good games, but I didn't fall in love with any of them (or finish any of them either; they all lost me after a while).  Metroid Prime 3 is the last Nintendo game that I played front-to-back and absolutely loved.  And I think that's notable, because MP3 is very different in tone and feel from almost any Nintendo game out there, and is actually a black sheep amongst its game lineup these days.

Thank you.  But you could have stood to make that post instead of the post you did make:

Oops, I tripped the "Nintendo Criticism" alarm.  I'll wait until the alarm goes off.

I'll take my independent thought elsewhere.

Do you see the problem?

[NWR_Lindy]

What irritated me was that I didn't even post anything overly critical, but all I get back is the old "shut up, casual hardcore, Sony Microsoft" stuff that I didn't even mention in my post.  BlackNMild was the only one that actually read what I posted and came back with a reasonable response. 

[DAaaMan64]

What irritated me was that I didn't even post anything overly critical, but all I get back is the old "shut up, casual hardcore, Sony Microsoft" stuff that I didn't even mention in my post.  BlackNMild was the only one that actually read what I posted and came back with a reasonable response. 

But your the Site Director.  With a reply like that, you only perpetuated that which irritates you.