Topic: Percentage of your Wii collection that's rated M.

[ThePerm]

when i was working at an elementary school all the kids would talk about how they played gta...i used to play doom as a kid, but in comparison i still think gta is messed up at times..not for the kiddies IMO. I didn't get to beat up hookers back in my day, but i did make the strippers flash me in duke nukem.

[EasyCure]

when i was working at an elementary school all the kids would talk about how they played gta...i used to play doom as a kid, but in comparison i still think gta is messed up at times..not for the kiddies IMO. I didn't get to beat up hookers back in my day, but i did make the strippers flash me in duke nukem.

It's a hard point to argue, IMO. When we were growing up we had our 'mature' games like Mortal Kombat and Doom but because of the limits to graphical power, things weren't don't appear to be as violent as compared to GTA NOW. Back then, though, that stuff was pretty extreme and yet we still had to use our imagination to fill in the blanks. Today kids are growing up playing more realistic, and thus more realisticaly violent games. There's not much to imagine, its all put there in front of you.

Sorry that was a random thought.

[KDR_11k]

Yeah, I could certainly live without the graphic cutting of people in Prototype...

[EasyCure]

Yeah, I could certainly live without the graphic cutting of people in Prototype...

OMG THATS SO COOL INSTA-BUY!

[Patchkid15]

Yeah, I could certainly live without the graphic cutting of people in Prototype...

In Personal experience... Most of my friends feel they need the graphic violence. I find that it is over the top, and makes a game less appealing..

[Stratos]

Yeah, I could certainly live without the graphic cutting of people in Prototype...

In Personal experience... Most of my friends feel they need the graphic violence. I find that it is over the top, and makes a game less appealing..

They need the violence? Are they getting a high off of it or something? I think those arguments are odd :/

[Ian Sane]

i used to play doom as a kid, but in comparison i still think gta is messed up at times

As a kid I used to argue that Doom was not only not immoral but actually morally good and just with strong Christian values.  You're in hell fighting against demons!  Come on!  If someone did that in real life they would be a candidate for sainthood!  This arguement didn't go over well with those that associate the mere presence of demonic imagery as satanic.  The fact that Satan is the ENEMY in the game is never noticed.  I used a similar arguement for Wolfenstein as fighting against Nazis is heroic when Indiana Jones does it but put it a swastika in a videogame and everyone thinks it's pro-Nazi.

But something like GTA depicts criminal activity.  It goes beyond just violence and actually provides a situation where to succeed in the game the player must perform immoral acts.  I can and will defend it as freedom of expression and don't think there's enough proof to suggest that a game like that causes any crimes.  But I can't defend the content itself as morally sound.  The game rewards evil behaviour.  Complaining about THAT makes a whole lot more sense than complaining about blood or nudity, neither of which can logically be considered good or bad without context.  If you're going to call for a ban on any videogame content the only one that would make any sense would be content that rewards or is neutral towards the abuse of innocent victims.  So GTA would be no good but Resident Evil would be fine since, despite it's gorey content, everyone you kill is very obviously trying to kill you.  Murder vs. lethal self-defence.

[KDR_11k]

Heh, now how would we judge Prototype in that context... You aren't encouraged to kill innocents at random (no EP reward, anything evil gives EP rewards) but your character can gain health by absorbing them. You can decide not to do that and only eat the zombies and soldiers who are after you (and both plotting genocide) but that leaves you with fewer food sources if **** hits the fan. Your attacks tend to have AOE so you have to aim carefully if you want to avoid civilian casualties but again the game doesn't care what you do to civilians, it keeps track of how many you kill but that's it. On the other hand you can decide to be reckless and activate massive AOE attacks in the middle of crowds to pick out the few soldiers that are mixed in, you can decide to plow across the sidewalk in a tank, running people over by the dozen, you can decide to eat them for health (though that sets your disguise to civilian which is less helpful than a military disguise) or you can even decide to pull random **** like hurling yourself off a skyscraper into an elbow smash onto some bystander for absolutely no reason except lulz or aiming thermobaric missiles at crowds.

IIRC none of the missions in Prototype require you to attack civilians so your treatment of them is purely a mirror of your own personality... Is this game immoral?