Topic: Miyamoto again says ALttP is a sequel to LoZ

[Gibdo Master]

Well this will be the second time (as far as I know) that Miyamoto has stated that A Link to the Past happens after The Legend of Zelda. In an interview from Swedish Magazine Superplay Miyamoto states that ALttP is a true sequel to LoZ. Click here to read the interview which was posted at the nintendojo.com forums.

Here's a quote from it:

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SP: So that's why the third game looked like the first one?

SM: Exactly, we actually see A link to the past as the real sequel to Legend of Zelda. Zelda II was more of a sidestory what happend to him after the happenings in Legend of Zelda.

The first time Miyamoto mentioned this was shortly after the release of Zelda 64 in a Nintendo Power interview.

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NP: Where do all the Zelda games fall into place when arranged chronologically by their stories?

Miyamoto: Ocarina of Time is the first story, then the original Legend of Zelda, then Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, and finally A Link to the Past. It's not very clear where Link's Awakening fits in--it could be anytime after Ocarina of Time.

Of course this chronology is out of date since Miyamoto stated it shortly after Zelda 64's release.

Here's how I think it would look now:

Ocarina-Wind Waker-LoZ-AoL-ALttP
Majora's Mask

I placed Majora's Mask below Ocarina because as Aonuma stated in the DICE interview Ocarina ended on two different time periods meaning Majora's Mask takes place in a different time period. I really don't know where the Oracle games fit because it's seems like Capcom threw characters, places, and things in those games just for the hell of it with little to no consideration for the rest of the games. LA most likely either takes place after Wind Waker or A Link to the Past.

Here's the quote where Aonuma commented about the two different time periods thing.

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Where does The Wind Waker fit into the overall timeline of the Legend of Zelda?

Mr. Aonuma: In terms of the storyline, we've decided that this takes place 100 years after the events in The Ocarina of Time. We think that as you play through the game, you'll notice that in the beginning the storyline explains some of the events in The Ocarina of Time. You'll also find hints of things from The Ocarina of Time that exist in The Wind Waker.

There's also a more complicated explanation. If you think back to the end of The Ocarina of Time, there were two endings to that game in different time periods. First Link defeated Ganon as an adult, and then he actually went back to being a child. You could say that The Wind Waker takes place 100 years after the ending in which Link was an adult.

 

[Gibdo Master]

Opps. delete please
 

[Ninja X]

I don't get why many people do not consider LTTP the last Zelda as of yet in the chronology.  In LTTP, Link actually obtains the whole Triforce.

[Gibdo Master]

Well, to me the ending of ALttP came off like it was the ending for the whole Zelda saga. During the ending The Essence of the Triforce tells Link, "But now you have totally destroyed Ganon.". Later one of the last shots shows the Master Sword back in the Lost Woods. The bottom of the screen says, "And the Master Sword sleeps again... Forever!".

To me all of that sounds like it's the end of the series. The Essence of the Triforce says that Ganon has been totally destroyed and at the last scene it says that the Master Sword sleeps forever. The Master Sword is the only sword that can defeat Ganon so if he were to come back then the Master Sword would have to be used meaning that it wouldn't sleep forever.

Click here to see screenshots from ALttP's ending.  

[Ninja X]

The ending to LttP really felt like the end of the series.  I think that is why the next game in the main series was rather a sort of prequel to the series (OoT).

[Chasefox]

I agree that LttP should be the end of the series, but then why does Aghanim (sp?) and Ganon appear at the end of Links Awakening?

[Gibdo Master]

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Originally posted by: Chasefox
I agree that LttP should be the end of the series, but then why does Aghanim (sp?) and Ganon appear at the end of Links Awakening?

I'm not to sure but from the way your post read (or at least the way I read it) it sounds like you are a little confused about the bosses at the end of LA. You see Ganon and Agahnim aren't actually in LA. Instead the final bosses you fight are the Nightmares. They simply took on the form of Link's own personal worst nightmares. Ganon and Agahnim would definitely fit in that category.

Also keep in mind that LA much like Majora's Mask is only a side quest. The Triforce, Hyrule, Zelda, The Master Sword, and Ganon are all absent from both of those games. Also neither LA nor Majora's Mask have any actual effect on the series. They just tell about adventures Link had after he had defeated Ganon/Ganondorf and saved Hyrule.

In other words there really isn't any problem with LA going after ALttP. Of course we don't know for absolute positive that LA happens after ALttP. Miyamoto isn't even sure where the game goes. Miyamoto's not knowing serves to emphasis that LA is just a side story and doesn't really have any importance with the rest of the series.  

[temjin11]

links awakening comes after the oracle games if im not mistaken.

plus, wouldnt it make sense that termina and other places were different coninents?  They say that the hero of time rode about the land in search of adventure.  this didnt limit him to hyrule, so I think that the oracle games may have come before MM, because he may have had to sail from the hylian continent to termina by ship. So I think it fits in after the oracle games, but before MM.

...but its my opinion...

[temjin11]

Also, concerning the master sword issue, there could have been a new sword forged, for the old sword was forgotten, hence that the old master sword sleeps forever.

[Gamefreak]

The Wind Waker can't talk place directly after Ocarina of Time
1) In the game, the King of Hyrule tells you hundreds of years have passed since Ocarina of Time
2) The Wind Waker has a flooded Hyrule, while the others don't. So it probably took place last...

[Andu_Tros]

If I remember correctly, the sort of opening story for Link's Awakening is that Ganon was dead and the Hylian people were scared so Link left Hyrule in search of new skills and knowlege to prepare for any other threat to Hyrule.

[Rogue]

I thought the chronology went a little like this:

Ocarina of Time (The first Link is born)
Majora's Mask

Wind Waker (300 (?) years after OoT. Hyrule is flooded.)

LoZ (The waters subside and a new Hyrule forms. Probably another 300 years after WW)
AoL (New Hyrule forming still...)
Lttp (Hyrule is back to its former glory. The last Zelda game)

LA could be set in any of the time periods. Even WW would be a fair guess, since it was set on an island.

[Hostile Creation]

You must realize, LttP was made a long time ago.  The timeline could have been altered.  I find it best just to play the games and to try not to think about it too much.

[VideoGamerX]

All of this makes me question how long Miyamoto has had this reincarnation of a hero idea in his head. It's not so much reincarnation so much as it is the essence of the hero residing in different people. I still doubt very much that Miyamoto had this idea until perhaps Ocarina of Time. Before Ocarina of Time, a Link to the Past seemed to be a complete remake of the story.

Even now, I don't support the timeline unless each Link is a different person. Calling a Link to the Past a direct sequal to the first Zelda can only be possible with each Link being a different person. Looking at the details, that looks to be true. It's amazing most of us never thought of it like that until this far into the series. Kind of hard to keep that kind of a secret for so long. Really makes a gamer wonder.

Who says Shigeru is not much for deep storylines?

[Gibdo Master]

Miyamoto didn't say that ALttP was a direct sequel to LoZ. He said that it was the real sequel to Legend of Zelda and that AoL was a direct sequel/side story to LoZ.

ALttP is the real sequel to LoZ in the same sense that WW is the real sequel to Ocarina. AoL is a direct sequel/side story to LoZ in the same way the MM is a direct sequel/side story to Ocarina. Also AoL and MM share the same Link from the game which they are direct sequels/side stories to. Notice the pattern here?

All of the main games (LoZ, ALttP, Ocarina) have a direct sequel/side story that involves the same Link from whatever respective game they are a sequel to. LoZ has AoL as a direct sequel/side quest that has the same Link. Also ALttP has LA and Ocarina has MM. If this pattern continues then the next Zelda GC game (maybe GBA) will be a direct sequel/side story to WW and will have the same Link.

I would like to point out that if my theory is right that it probably means any Zelda games that don't fit in this pattern don't belong in the chronology. Of course this would be Ages and Four Swords and probably whatever GBA Zelda game Capcom is making unless of course it is the direct sequel/side story to WW.

With the pattern thing in mind here is another way to look at the time line:

Ocarina/Majora's--WW/?--LoZ/AoL--?/?--ALttP/LA

I added the question marks between AoL and ALttP because I figure at some point in time Miyamoto will have to make a game or games explaining how Ganon was resurrected after AoL and trapped back into the Dark World. The direct sequel/side story to WW will probably explain how Hyrule is unflooded or how Link and Zelda find a new land to become Hyrule.  

[Gamefreak]

Oracle games....don't forget them.

[Gibdo Master]

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I would like to point out that if my theory is right that it probably means any Zelda games that don't fit in this pattern don't belong in the chronology. Of course this would be Ages and Four Swords and probably whatever GBA Zelda game Capcom is making unless of course it is the direct sequel/side story to WW.

Please read the whole post next time.  

Quite frankly though even ignoring the whole pattern theory I still don't know how to fit them in the time line. I realize that Capcom was aiming for the Ages games to be taken as a prequel to LA and more than likely therefore a sequel to ALttP (depending on their view of the time line) but there are multiple reasons (of which I don't feel like getting in to because I've done it a million times before) why the games just don't fit anywhere in the time line.

The biggest problem is that Capcom got Zelda happy and just threw as much crap from every other game that they could fit into the Ages game. They threw a dead Ganon in there, Twinrova, Zelda, the whole Triforce in Hyrule, the Master Sword, the Dark World, some monsters from the Dark World, and the list goes on. Basically the Ages games are like a puzzle piece that while it fits the picture on it doesn't fit with the whole puzzle. Hell, you could say that the other way around but I was just trying to make a point that in the end the Ages games don't fit. At least they don't in my opinion.

That's actually the biggest reason why I'm really nervous about the new Capcom made Zelda GBA game. I've been very exciting about the possibility of ALttP 2 (I mean 2 game play wise not sequel wise) ever since I first heard about the GBA and now I'm afraid that Capcom will screw it up by making a story that doesn't fit with the rest of the games and that the game itself like the Ages games will be fun but won't have the heart of a true Zelda game.  

[KDR_11k]

Gaw, I assumed Link from Windwaker to be the same as all the other ones, because that "Hero of Time" stuff sounded to me like his live doesn't have to begin at the time the story starts, but could have been much later... And who says he doesn't live through the adventures in a totally weird order while the world around him thinks he is reborn every time ?

[Gibdo Master]

All new Links are a reincarnation of the Hero of Time. It was basically confirmed by Aonuma in an interview a while back that there are multiple Links throughout the series and then in the game Ganondorf confirmed that Link was a reincarnation of the Hero of Time proving my theory I have posted about on these boards right. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Of course some people still want to argue with the reincarnation thing anyway so I guess it doesn't matter.  

[KnowsNothing]

it can't be the same Link each time.  then he would start off with all the weapons and armor from his last adventure.  and they said i knew nothing...

[Rymir]

All Links are the same Link basically, just reincarnations. Why? Becuase I said so, there isn't any real reason, it just is according to the hints from all Zeldas. Almost every Zelda game takes place in a different timeline and with a different LINK.

Most likely the order is :


 OoT
 MM
 WW
 LttP
 LoZ
 AoL

I have another post that gives kind of a story behind all this.