Author Topic: Good news for GC from a 3rd party? Actually, yes. (Read 7988 times)

joeamis · « **on:** September 20, 2004, 12:55:53 PM »

For the first time ever, a Splinter Cell game will be releasing simultaneously on all consoles. That's right, Splinter Cell Chaos Theory will be released on GC the same day as XB, PC, and PS2. The holiday lineup is most to thank for this occurence, SCCT has been pushed back to 2005, thanks to the big hitters this holiday season. This is great for GC seeing that the previous titles came out many months after the other console vers. Ironic that this happened because of games for the other consoles like Halo 2, GTASA, MGS3, GT4. Check News Section

Ian Sane · « **Reply #1 on:** September 20, 2004, 01:46:54 PM »

Pushing the third SC game to 2005? Wow what a brilliant move! I'd like to shake the hand of the Ubisoft exec who realized how f*cking stupid it is to release this game in the same year as the second SC game. Even the head of EA is probably thinking "boy you guys are really milking that franchise."

Having it come out on the same day is good but it doesn't mean sh!t if the Cube version is missing fifty billion features and looks worse than the PS2 game which is what likely will happen.

Of course it's Splinter Cell aka Dragon's Lair With Spies so what do I care anyway. Never being released EVER would be good news to me.

joeamis · « **Reply #2 on:** September 20, 2004, 02:43:21 PM »

Whoa hostility dility. I personally dislike Splinter Cell, but I think this is good news for GC.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #3 on:** September 20, 2004, 02:45:35 PM »

Word.

Pikkcuber · « **Reply #4 on:** September 20, 2004, 03:29:24 PM »

how is this good. We get it at the same time but we proably dont get the innovative multiplayer

joeamis · « **Reply #5 on:** September 20, 2004, 05:11:14 PM »

"This is great for GC seeing that the previous titles came out many months after the other console vers"

Heres the dates for the previous games in the series for each console:
Xbox SC 1: 11/17/2002
PC SC 1: 2/17/2003 (4 months later)
PS2 SC 1: 4/8/2003 (6 months later)
GC SC 1: 4/10/2003 (6 months later)

Xbox SC 2: 3/23/2004
PC SC2: 3/23/2004 (same day)
PS2 SC 2: 6/16/2004 (4 months later)
GC SC 2: 7/20/2004 (5 months later)

SC 3 same day all platforms

Rather than having it come out half a year later like the previous titles, now the GC version is releasing the same day. This will get more people in general to buy the game because it will be 'brand new' rather than a port of a game 1/2 a year old. And though it is unlikely that a person who owns two of the 4 platforms will buy the GC ver instead, it is alot more likely than if the game came out 1/2 a year later.

Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #6 on:** September 20, 2004, 07:07:17 PM »

I like how UbiSoft don't realize everyone's sick to death of Tom Clancy games. Especially when the last ten or so have been the same game with new background bitmaps.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #7 on:** September 20, 2004, 07:59:49 PM »

Iwata-san: "SOO DESU!"

..................."BANZAI!"

KDR_11k · « **Reply #8 on:** September 20, 2004, 09:10:04 PM »

Monkey: Unfortunately the sales numbers disagree with you...

Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #9 on:** September 21, 2004, 03:54:25 AM »

Mr. Whippy didn't like my statement about ice cream being made of 33k modems, either. But I won their deck of cards. NOW YOUR BLUE EYES WHITE DRAGON THAT ACTUALLY HAS BLUE SCALES IS ALL MINE GOOD SIR. Then there was erotic dancing.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #10 on:** September 21, 2004, 07:51:55 AM »

I think Nintendo players are sick to death of Tom Clancy games...other console fans, not so much. Or maybe it's hardcore gamers versus casual. I think casual gamers have a higher tolerance for rehashes in general. Each and every Mario Party is thoroughly loved by most casual gamers that I know.
Anyway, this is kind of good news, but I think it just means Microsoft didn't feel like buying an exclusive launch date this time. And why not? Halo 2 will probably sell all the Xboxes MS wants for another year.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #11 on:** September 21, 2004, 11:21:24 AM »

Wow. I'm not going to buy it.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #12 on:** September 21, 2004, 12:17:21 PM »

Me neither. I already own the Rainbow Six collection (so beautiful), and that's a better set of games than all the "Clancy Console" games that've come out from bUbi-Soft. I believe so -nya.

joeamis · « **Reply #13 on:** September 21, 2004, 06:32:07 PM »

I won't be buying the title either, I played a demo of Splinter Cell 1 and hated the controls and camera. But this isn't about who likes the game and who doesn't. It's about the release date, being the same day rather than half a year later, and that is good news for the Cube anyway you slice it.

As far as all Clancy games being the same with different colored bitmaps I have to disagree there, although sequels look similar (alot do for most games, especially same gen. games), and I do recognize that Splinter Cell 2 had one of the best online modes of any game ever.

Rancid Planet · « **Reply #14 on:** September 26, 2004, 09:26:06 PM »

I think I'll get the game the day it comes out just to spite all these third party developers who bash the GCN for not supplying them with good software sales yet don't see the problem in their releasing the GameCube version six months later.

Oldskool · « **Reply #15 on:** September 27, 2004, 10:17:43 AM »

Hi guys! I'm back!

I hate these third parties and their "We give it no advertising, release it late and port it sloppily, and it still doesn't sell well. GCN must really suck then" mentality.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #16 on:** September 28, 2004, 05:37:37 AM »

Yeah, someone should try how well games treated like that sell on other consoles. Okay, the GC DOES have the worst userbase to release third party titles into (because most people don't buy 3rd party for their GC)...

Ian Sane · « **Reply #17 on:** September 28, 2004, 07:41:11 AM »

"Okay, the GC DOES have the worst userbase to release third party titles into (because most people don't buy 3rd party for their GC)..."

That's BS. I have tons of third party games. The only reason we buy less third party games is because we've been burned by so many late and/or crappy ports that they've lost a lot of our trust. Nearly all of the Cube's third party problems were self-fulfilling. They DECIDED ahead of time that third party games wouldn't sell on the Cube, half-assed third party releases because of this bias, and sure enough it happened.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with us Cube owners. We shouldn't be expected to buy crap just because it's there. Good taste and smart shopping are not flaws.

joshnickerson · « **Reply #18 on:** September 28, 2004, 10:23:44 AM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane

There is absolutely nothing wrong with us Cube owners. We shouldn't be expected to buy crap just because it's there. Good taste and smart shopping are not flaws.

Very true. We actually can tell the difference in quality between, say, Tales of Symphonia and BMX XXX.

MaleficentOgre · « **Reply #19 on:** September 28, 2004, 05:22:54 PM »

Actually cube has the worst third party sales. If a game comes out for cube and any other system the other system will outsell gamecube 99/100 times. Don't use soul calibur II as your ammuniton for this argument. Even if Chaos theory comes out the same time as the other consoles, and has online multiplayer and split screen and all the features the others have and has better graphics than the PS2 version the cube version will sell the least. Cube owners don't buy third party games, and really don't buy a lot of first party games. Even great games like ToS sold poorly on cube. I don't remember the last time I saw a cube game in the top five of the sales list.

Renny · « **Reply #20 on:** September 28, 2004, 06:53:55 PM »

Got some hard info for that? Right, you don't. It's just rhetoric on your part. But it's no secret 3rd party games generally don't do as well on the GCN. But then the ports generally aren't very good either, for one reason or another few. Shift that blame wherever you want.

Anyway there are exceptions. Burnout. Godzilla: DAMM, for what that's worth. VJ will prove to be a bigger bomb on the PS2.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #21 on:** September 28, 2004, 08:15:12 PM »

"Cube owners don't buy third party games, and really don't buy a lot of first party games. Even great games like ToS sold poorly on cube. I don't remember the last time I saw a cube game in the top five of the sales list."

You don't see those game in the top five because the Cube userbase is too small. When looking at what Cube owners buy you can't look at raw sales numbers because those will always be incredibly small compared to the PS2. You have to compare the sold amount of games to the amount of Cubes sold. What percentage of Cube owners bought a game is what's important.

And why is the Cube userbase too small? Well it's partially because third parties always treated it poorly and that lead to lower hardware sales which lead to lower game sales. Nintendo hasn't exactly done the best job with the Cube, not just with third parties, but overall. So they're not completely innocent. But it was mostly pre-determined negative bias from third parties, the press, retailers, etc that created the third party problem.

MaleficentOgre · « **Reply #22 on:** September 29, 2004, 06:05:41 AM »

Cube had better support three years ago. And ever since launch its support has started dwindling. One by one developers start pulling titles away from and pulling their efferts away from cube all together. And nintendo's I am more holy than thou attitude sure doesn't help.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #23 on:** September 29, 2004, 06:17:24 AM »

Ian:
You don't see those game in the top five because the Cube userbase is too small.
If that was the case you wouldn't see XBox sales in there, either.

That's BS. I have tons of third party games.
As they say on Slashdot, "the plural of anecdote is not data". It means that your personal experience means nothing. Just because everyone you know uses Linux that doesn't make it the dominant desktop system. Just because every GC owner you know buys third party titles doesn't mean the majority does. There are many kids in those sales numbers, kids can only afford maybe two games a year, which leads to things like a low tie-in ratio. Often those two sales go to Nintendo (because, well, Nintendo DOES make some of the best games out there). Also, a lot of people own all systems and buy their cross-platform games for the other systems (because they don't like the GC controller or because they prefer to use theXBox's harddrive for storing saves instead of the GC's small memcards or whatever floats their boat), having the Cube only for the first party games and maybe a few exclusives (though those often go under the radar).

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Author Topic: Good news for GC from a 3rd party? Actually, yes. (Read 7988 times)