Topic: Mainstream Media trys to Cover Video Games.

[Oldskool]

So if videogames=toys, does that mean Sony and Microsoft are considering videogames to be an extra feature on their "entertainment systems" (I remember Sony using that word to make the PS2 sound more advanced and sofisticated when it came out.)

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

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Originally posted by: Oldskool
to make the PS2 sound more advanced

'nuff said.  Image is everything for them.

[Ninja X]

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Originally posted by: nonjagged

Yes in your articulated description of Nintendo's position you somehow neglected to mention a crucial significant report that would make your statements more complete.

Its a little biased when analists report how Nintendo fell short of its sales expectations but when big name analists recently report that $ony's stocks are at a 9 year low (lol) and we already very well knew that M$ has lost billion$ on the Xbox venture, there seems to be silence, in fact very little reporting at all has been made ever about the last 2 positions.
Can anyone confirm whether that article remtotely mentioned $ony's current state of shares or M$ losses on Xbox venture?

Its all nice to make statements or report with biased agendas (like that article this thread is refering to) but then to have gamers analising it to be mostly credible just shows who the mainstream gamers are and who the real gamers are who did their homework rather than "just rely on whats been hyped the most online" as we all know that Nintendo gets hyped in a very negative way at least on a weekly basis and mainstreamers are regurgitating on it to be significant when its not.

Not one sane gamer would agree that a reporter using eg. a biased quote by M$ against its competition to have any credibility whatsoever to the reporter's piece of biased dribble is beyond a joke especially when M$ (the competition which is "apparently" fairing better by embracing pirated data formats and taking the format Online at huge losses) is losing billion$ on the Xbox venture. Has anyone even bothered to mention that Sega games have sold in a laughable amount on the Xbox platform and M$ has even had to prop up the sales by bundling these games with the console?
When Sega announced its dropping sports support for Gamecube more doom was on the internet for weeks about it and when the real reason was revealed when EA announced it made a special deal with Nintendo, hardly even a mention on these Nintendo-bashing websites was made.
Clearly any sane gamer would choose like nearly all of EA's sports games over Sega's sports games.
And the same goes for most 3rd parties which elude developing for Nintendo console platforms because they have a bigger challenge on their hands to compete against a far superiro range of AAA titles that dont just come Nintendo 1st parties but even 2nd parties.

Xbox Live may succeed in probably 2 countries but you can bet your rupees that Nintendo will come around to satisfy real gamers by being the most gamer-friendly in their next-gen decisions.
Should Nintendo approach PC developers to port their franchises to the next Nintendo platform? because thats what keeping the Xbox afloat and future Xbox platform that will be running DirectX.

Already $ony has announced its next set-top-box multi-media Server which M$ would like to crush with their own rendition only running a DirectX version. I can forecast already that $ony will push face-mapping as a gimmick to sell these multi-media servers. Knowing that you could transfer your images into certain Online ps2 games will be a big sell for the wealthy end of mainstreamers. Yeah and M$'s future set-top-box multi-media Server version will have special ports for sampling your DNA as an authentication its you thats Online in their services.

It appears both $ony & M$ are superior to Nintendo because mainstreamers have this perception that a console being able to be played Online is what this technology is all about. Nintendo on the other hand see that gameplay ideas should evolve because there is already an Online platform known to us all as the PC. So therefore Nintendo will always have these negative reputations because it (Nintendo) differentiates itself from the generic clones out there that just ride on trends or easily cracked data mediums and yet in M$'s case, lose billion$ in the process just to keep its reputation in tact as having shipped more units than its more common-sense rivals.

What the delusional mainstream reporter of that article in question should be reporting on or investigating is whether or not the Online Monthly Subscription Costs of Xbox Live will put the Xbox business venture in the black in somewhat 10 years time or whether or not gamers will drop the next Xbox platform in 2 years time altogether because Nintendo commence Online gaming for its next platform but the Online aspect is purely for gamers and its for free and Nintendo doesnt monitor it so your free to play games you purchased without the thought that marketers are sitting on the other end watching your preferences like other Online structures currently available.

Congratulations.  I like your argument and I acknowledge what you are saying, but unfortunately, most of it is negated by the fact that the article is about Nintendo.  I don't care about Microsoft's or Sony's actions or whether or not this reporter is biased because the article is about Nintendo.  

[Termin8Anakin]

The article starts off positively. The fact that Nintendo is considering new mascots to (replace?) go along side Mario and Poekmon is good. Then there's the quote where Iwata-san says Ninetendo wants to make Internet gamign free on consoles. All this 'pro-Nintendo' stuff is good, but it's shot down with the quote by M$, saying that nintendo is a toy company and not ready in the digital entertainment business. That's what everyone is really talking about here. That M$ are firing anti-Nintendo comments to try boost their image. Note that the guy says digital entertainment. Wherea it would just be games, now it includes all manner of other technical things like DVD capabilites and stuff.
The article sorta redeems itself by reaffirming the good in that Nintendo does have a future in the business.

[Jdub03]

Nintendo must be the "God of Video Games".  It is constantly under watch by people like him (author of article), just waiting to report every mistake nintendo makes .  The majority of these articles are all about Nintendo.  Nintendo is made up of people just like you and me who arent perfect and make mistakes....Nintendo this Nintendo that...Shut the F@ck up and find something better to do.

[thecubedcanuck]

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Another stupid analisis you probably would make is that PS2 is regarded as a super computer in some countries, thus it is a danger to security.

Nice try. Now lets try and stick with what was actually said without making any more foolish ASS/umptions.

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you claiming that because a console does not have a fibre optic link built in must therefore mean it is a toy is pure stupidity.

Uhhh, it is a toy. The PS2, is a toy, the X-box is a toy, the differance being the the PS2 and the X-box also serve other entertainment needs, making them a more rounded entertainment system. Video games are toys, its as simple as that, regardless of who plays them this doesnt change the fact.

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Look up the definition of a console in a dictionary please before you troll your theories that a platform without fibre optic ports is only considered a toy

Maybe you should look it up as well
{a cabinet for television, radio, ect} this according to websters.
Now read the last paragraph again to clear this up.

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The Gamecube is a game console and the psx2 and Xbox are set-top-boxes.

Wrong, they are all game consoles. Again the differance being that the other two serve dual functions. This doesnt make them any less a games console than the gamecube.

To many people here seem to think that they are the be all, end all, authority when it comes to gaming. Yet the same people have their own pre-determined biases towards Nintendo, and then have the nerve to complain about people being biased towards others. It really is laughable.
Like what you like, it really doesnt matter to me at all, but remember, just because you like it, doesnt mean its the best thing going.

Also must you continue to use M$ as a symble for Microsoft, this alone shows your bias and really hurts the credibility of your argument.

Currently playing, Timesplitters (gamecube), waverace, Halo, and GTA vice city (again).

[thecubedcanuck]

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Its a little biased when analists report how Nintendo fell short of its sales expectations but when big name analists recently report that $ony's stocks are at a 9 year low (lol) and we already very well knew that M$ has lost billion$ on the Xbox venture, there seems to be silence, in fact very little reporting at all has been made ever about the last 2 positions.

No it isnt biased at all. The reason it isnt is because all Nintnedo does is video games, the reason their stock price is down is becuase of video game related events. Both Sony and Microsoft are very diverse companies and it is much harder to pinpoint the exact cause of a stock drop. Based on Sony's sales of both the PS and the PS2, I highly doubt any stock price on their end is video game related. As for Microsoft, they said said from the get go that they plan to lose Millions, even a billion or so dollars on the X-box venture. No one mentions it, because it was already expected. Microsofts goal in the gaming industry is very long term (although from an analyst point, I disagree with some of the logic), you wont be able to really judge results for a while yet.


What you fail to see it that the hardcore gamer (or at least the self proclaimed hardcore gamer) doesnt really matter in the big picture.
The mainstream general public who plays games casually does, they are the ones who are spending all the money. You have to understand one thing from an economic view. Most hardcore gamers are young and in most cases dont have a lot of money. Sony and MS are targeting the casual player. Their consoles serve dual purposes for this very reason, so instead of a second DVD for the basement people may get a game console and so on. This is where the big market it, this is where the money lies.
Are the games as good, many here will say no. I disagree, and think that many of the games are as good or better in some cases. What the games do, is give the casual gamers an outlet. The games are easy to play and have action right out of the gate (GTA3 is a great example), unlike a Zelda game where the first hour or so, is reading and training, many casual players dont want this.
IMO Nintendo needs to become more mainstream to survive (at least on the console end of things) in the long run, simple because the mob rules and there just arent enough hardcore Nintendo fans left for them to ride on their past performance.

[nonjagged]

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Originally posted by: thecubedcanuck

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Its a little biased when analists report how Nintendo fell short of its sales expectations but when big name analists recently report that $ony's stocks are at a 9 year low (lol) and we already very well knew that M$ has lost billion$ on the Xbox venture, there seems to be silence, in fact very little reporting at all has been made ever about the last 2 positions.

No it isnt biased at all. The reason it isnt is because all Nintnedo does is video games, the reason their stock price is down is becuase of video game related events. Both Sony and Microsoft are very diverse companies and it is much harder to pinpoint the exact cause of a stock drop. Based on Sony's sales of both the PS and the PS2, I highly doubt any stock price on their end is video game related. As for Microsoft, they said said from the get go that they plan to lose Millions, even a billion or so dollars on the X-box venture. No one mentions it, because it was already expected. Microsofts goal in the gaming industry is very long term (although from an analyst point, I disagree with some of the logic), you wont be able to really judge results for a while yet.

You point being?

Sony's stock has been dropping so badly they announced the PSP recently and yet their stocks didnt change but continue in the dropping direction.
The following week Sony annnounced their Server with a ps2 thrown in (lol) just in case no one wants a Server from a newbie in the market, the ps2 is thrown in as an incentive.
Shares still continued to remain steady in the dropping direction.
Sony then re-announces their Server project just in case anyone missed.
Yup their shares still didnt dance.

Should like every gaming website now confirm this and keep it up for days just in case some of the regulars missed it?
No instead every gaming website will keep negative news about Nintendo, even amidst when Nintendo make announcements like a New Development Studio or better Waivebird technology or Investment in better cart technology.