Author Topic: What happened to the Kokiri? (Read 17976 times)

ThePerm · « **Reply #25 on:** April 19, 2003, 08:50:36 PM »

thats the whole reason why i said they split into two species....

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #26 on:** April 20, 2003, 10:39:23 AM »

But that doesn't make any sense. I mean, I understand that they would be zoras, but why grow wings over an ocean when you had fins to start with. It's like humans losing their hands after they've made the doorknob.

ThePerm · « **Reply #27 on:** April 20, 2003, 05:05:27 PM »

if its any note...zora illistrations on a link to the past look like man fish...i think zora's split...rito found a nice gerado or hylian male...got it on with him and they had some baybe who was more human then fish.....

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #28 on:** April 20, 2003, 05:56:34 PM »

I would like to add another piece of undeniable proof that the traders you can find at some of the islands are Gorons. Find any of the three merchants in the game. The easiest one to get to is the one on Greatfish Isle since you can warp directly to it. Anyway stand in front of the Goron and use the Deku Leaf to blow a gust of air. When you do this it will blow the merchants hat off clearly revealing that it is a Goron. Go try it for yourself. I wish I would have known about this earlier so that the argument could have ended faster. Then again considering it would have been visual proof and I would have mentioned it it probably wouldn't have been good enough for Ridley anyway.

By the way this also proves that they are not giant rabbits.

ThePerm · « **Reply #29 on:** April 20, 2003, 06:01:58 PM »

also zora are called zola in zelda 1..you know the l/r thing im sure by now....they look like man fish and are evil....the cursed life of the zora people....

Ridley · « **Reply #30 on:** April 20, 2003, 08:49:24 PM »

"With your lackluster posting ability and complete failure to grasp simple logic, I find it doubtful that you could come up with a narrative more compelling then that of a videogames."

What was the purpose of that bash? Are you so close-minded that you have to take shots at anyone who comes to a conclusion that you don't agree with?

"Then again considering it would have been visual proof and I would have mentioned it it probably wouldn't have been good enough for Ridley anyway."

Why can't you just drop it already? I found the proof I wanted, I agree with you now, so drop it. Or would you rather I just stop thinking for myself and look to you for all the answers? That seems to be the only thing that would get you to get off my back.

Do you two always give so much trouble to someone who comes up with a theory different than yours? Why don't you just grow up and accept the fact that I don't have to agree with you. I have the right answer questions like the one in this thread with my ideas. This may shock you, but not everyone has to agree with you. I'm not expecting anyone to agree with mine, but I would appreciate if someone would at least open their mind to the possibility rather than just bashing me outright. But I guess that's just too much to ask out of some of you.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #31 on:** April 21, 2003, 12:52:16 PM »

Well I've seen traders and all that now, and I can easily say the following:

Gorons-> Traders

Zora-> Rito (perhaps an evolutionary split)

Kokiri-> Koroks

I'm not bashing anyone, but it seems pretty obvious to me. Go ask Miyamoto and he'll tell you the same. No new intelligent races magically appeared (except perhaps the map fish, but maybe they're zoras. . . bum bum BUM

). These are just the remnants of what were.

ThePerm · « **Reply #32 on:** April 21, 2003, 08:18:37 PM »

apparently ruto got it on with the running man from oot who was the mailman in mm.....it seems theres a sidequest involving the camera that links the ruto to the running man. Also note...ruto are only redeyed people until they go see valoo...he makes them bird people not evolution...we'll note that they all have king zora's lovely red eyes.....but have a bit of hylian in them....

Nintendo gallery spoiler
"Okay, im gonna be really nice and give you a full mini-tutorial.

get the camera, its in the cell where Tingle was held (break the box to get to it), then take it to lenzo, take a pic of a guy in red mailing a letter, then the guy in the coffe shop while hes shaking, then the girl in orange when she looks at the young man as he walks by her.

Then go to forest haven and snatch a fat firefly (more light than the others) and give it to lenzo for a DX camera. Take a COLOUR picture of the Rito mailman behind the desk.

Then buy a puyo pear, go back to forest haven, climb to the top of the deku tree, go to the passage higher than the one with the arrow, fly to the small island with the hatch. Then use the pair to fly over to the swich on forest haven, go into the gallery and give the man your picture, then just wait 1 full day (in-game)."

those are the instructions nem on the zelda no densetu forums gives on obtainign the figurine of the runner.

general2k · « **Reply #33 on:** April 29, 2003, 02:17:52 PM »

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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
But that doesn't make any sense. I mean, I understand that they would be zoras, but why grow wings over an ocean when you had fins to start with. It's like humans losing their hands after they've made the doorknob.

I think th zoras grew wings cause i think they could only live in fresh water cause they lived in rivers and lakes never a ocean

ThePerm · « **Reply #34 on:** April 29, 2003, 08:06:32 PM »

greatr bay on majoras mask was an ocean....now it is an alternate dimention but they are genetically the same. I beleive there are two lines of the zora family. The Rito and the manfish. Manfish dont qiuite look like zoras...but they look like zolas...also zoras came in all shapes. Remember how different king Zora looked from his desciples? I beleive the postman thign is very true. Rito half postman half zora, manfish zora's who have become more sea specialized.

temjin11 · « **Reply #35 on:** April 30, 2003, 02:46:30 PM »

I understand all of the theories, but im going to make you all think:

-How did everything evolve so quickly?

-Where did the gorons come from?

-How do the Man-Fish survive, because they said in the game that the great sea was "empty and fishless"?

SPOILER!
-If Hyrule got flooded at the end of the game, shouldnt the water level in the great sea go down?

and the big questions:
-Who is links mother?
-Who is links father?
I've heard some speculation that his father was lenzo, but it was rumor. It makes sense, because his model says hes good with women.

Think, think, think...

Kimchi · « **Reply #36 on:** April 30, 2003, 03:17:53 PM »

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Originally posted by: ThePerm
apparently ruto got it on with the running man from oot who was the mailman in mm.....it seems theres a sidequest involving the camera that links the ruto to the running man. Also note...ruto are only redeyed people until they go see valoo...he makes them bird people not evolution...we'll note that they all have king zora's lovely red eyes.....but have a bit of hylian in them....

Nintendo gallery spoiler
"Okay, im gonna be really nice and give you a full mini-tutorial.

get the camera, its in the cell where Tingle was held (break the box to get to it), then take it to lenzo, take a pic of a guy in red mailing a letter, then the guy in the coffe shop while hes shaking, then the girl in orange when she looks at the young man as he walks by her.

Then go to forest haven and snatch a fat firefly (more light than the others) and give it to lenzo for a DX camera. Take a COLOUR picture of the Rito mailman behind the desk.

Then buy a puyo pear, go back to forest haven, climb to the top of the deku tree, go to the passage higher than the one with the arrow, fly to the small island with the hatch. Then use the pair to fly over to the swich on forest haven, go into the gallery and give the man your picture, then just wait 1 full day (in-game)."

those are the instructions nem on the zelda no densetu forums gives on obtainign the figurine of the runner.

Obtaining a figurine of the runner? I gave the sculptor a pictograph of Kobali (guy behind desk) and got a figurine of Kobali, not of the runner. His bio does mention a rumor about previous generations; That is what you're talking about, isn't it? I didn't do the exact course of events that you wrote; I'd already done most of those things of course, but I did give him a color picture of Kobali.

Syl · « **Reply #37 on:** April 30, 2003, 04:10:03 PM »

there are *2* different Zora Species.

this is explained in Oracle of ages.

the "evil River Zora's" which are the ugly fish things that shoot fireballs in the 2d Zelda games
and the "ocean Zora's" (or the ones in OOT) that are completely sentient and an entire race.

I personally believe that windwaker is the final zelda game, which means it takes place after link to the past *spoiler* look at the placement of the castle in hyrule, and hyrule field, it STRONGLY resembles Link to the Past *end spoiler* and i also believe it is quite a bit longer after OOT than 100 years. That said, by the time of LTTP, most of the zora's are the evil river kind. The kind that eventually turned into the helpful manfish map people.

Now, becuase the "Ocean Zora's" turn into "Ocean" i believe they eventually find a living on the coast of some odd island somewhere (like where Oracle of Seasons/Ages takes place)

The Gerudo, being guided by the gods to find higher ground (or probably found out to go to higher ground through somewhere else) probably kicked the Gorons out, and became the Rito. maybe a Zora somewhere and a Gerudo had a happy family, which would explain the blood line thing. (However, where does it mention that they have to be from the same bloodline, i missed that.)

Now, the traders ARE goron. period. Theres no way around it. they ARE goron. The game even states this.

The Koroks are the kokiri, it explains this. now, you might say "if the kokori leave the forest they die" now, at the END of Ocarina of time, they are all dancing around in hyrule field, even the kokiri. and "they die" it means "they will grow old and die" not die instantly.
The Deku tree eventually turned them into the "koroks" for whatever reason seemed reasonable to him. now that they are koroks, i don't believe they could possibly grow older and die. so, they CAN leave the forest, not being able to grow old and die.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #38 on:** April 30, 2003, 05:11:42 PM »

Oh man, it would be so funny if the Kokiri literally died instantly once they left the forest.

"No, don't step out there!"

"huh?"

*Zeus zaps him with lightening*

*limp kokiri*

Lao-tzu · « **Reply #39 on:** April 30, 2003, 06:29:53 PM »

Oh wow.

"If they leavethe forest they die, but in the end their dancing in the field"

COMMON.

They're in the field because they were characters in the game, and they needed to be in the ending. Nothing more, nothing less.

There is no signifiance to plot when you see Mido and co. around a bonfire of ALL THE CHARACTERS.

--

Having said that, if I were to make the rules, it would defignitly be a "they die because they grow old and feel the effects of aging, unlike how they are in the forest"

The Old Beane · « **Reply #40 on:** May 01, 2003, 12:58:25 AM »

erm, hi peoples.

I haven't read ALL of the replies so don't kill me if this hasn't already been said.

Alot of you are fussing over the gorons as being/not being the traders. Well, for a start, one of those jumping fish tell you about them, which strongly suggests gorons. And also some of you wanted proof. Well, just whip out your trusted deku leaf, and blow a gust of wind into the traders, and the hat will fly up revealing their face...their GORON face, I might add.

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Author Topic: What happened to the Kokiri? (Read 17976 times)