Topic: Can the Wii get exclusives from the medium third party developers?

[Kairon]

Technically, Red Steel is also up there, but your point still holds RawSteelUT.

This is why I'm so interested in upcoming games like Word Coach, which promises to finally "get" non-games in a way only Nintendo has done so before. On the traditional gaming front, it seems like only Squaresoft is showing the sort of gusto it'd take to create a mass-market blockbuster success (with any luck, we'll find out that they have company come E3).

[KDR_11k]

I think one reason third party games don't sell as well as Nintendo games on the Wii is because third parties haven't released any big hitters (despite Red steel passing the million mark). Look at Gamerankings, only two Wii games are above the 85% mark and both are made by Nintendo. Of course you can't beat Nintendo if you release B games while Nintendo focusses on getting the next top ten title on there. I doubt any of the ports the Wi got were huge sellers on their original platforms either, a real test would be how e.g. GTA would perform.

[RawsteelUT]

Ah, Red Steel...

See, this is the other part of the problem.  Red Steel was heavily hyped as an integral part of Ubi's big push on the Wii, and a whole lot of people were hyped up for it.  It sold well, in the way that games do at launch, but then people played it.

It's suddenly not hard to see how people are hesitant to look at 3rd party games, at least beyond niche titles like Trauma Center: Second Opinion.  Remember what I said earlier about bad 3rd party titles?  In this regard, 3rd parties sabotage themselves.  Whether by freak accident or by shoddy design, the 3rd party games we get most excited about on Nintendo platforms tend to be the crappiest (example: Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles on the Cube), and as a result, the market is ruined for everyone else.

Yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I doubt a Red Steel 2 would sell a whole hell of a lot.  Though forgive me if I was under the impression that Rayman was blowing that away as well, since that's the only franchise Ubi seems interested in continuing on the Wii.  

[Ceric]

You know I don't remember any of the other games having the marketing push that RRR and Red Steel had.  At all.  The only Wii games I see advertised is what Nintendo does with the "Wii want to Play" series plus Sonic and the Secret Ring and Spiderman 3 for a little bit.  That might be part of the problem.  I'm a regular on a Nintendo oriented Forum and regular check a good amount of gaming sites and there are still plenty of games that when I go to the store and look I'm like when did that come out.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: RawsteelUT Yes, a lot of 3rd party games are horrible on the Wii, but even good ones like Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz don't sell that high, and that's the epitomy of the Wii's audience.

First of all, SMB:BB wasn't worthy of being called "good": only half the minigames worked and the single player was the same crap from Adventure.

Second, how do you figure it's the "epitome" of the Wii's audience?

Every time I turn around, someone else is trying to suggest that the Wii's audience is composed entirely of drooling children.

Note this thread and this quote...

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During Wii's first six months on the market, Nintendo sold almost 44 percent of its games and machines to people younger than 18, said researcher NPD Group Inc. in Port Washington, New York.

Therefore, the other 56% are OVER 18. Why would SMB:BB be that target audience?

[Spak-Spang]

Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz was not enjoyable at all.  It could have been, at least the single player could have been, but they opted for the worst way to hold the controller for the game possible.

I think there are quite a few Wii games worthy of playing now.  The problem is finding the perfect control scheme is hard, and reviewers don't want to forgive control schemes that don't work 100% (I don't know if they should or shouldn't) but that hurts the Wii 3rd party games perception right now.

I rented and really have enjoyed Medal of Honor Vanguard.  Is it flawed?  YES.  It should have Bots in Multiplayer, and the control isn't perfect.  But what is there is enjoyable.  It is a nice game about running to cover and taking out the enemy.  The fact that you have a squad with you constantly talking (even though it is repetitive) does put in the atmosphere of a war zone.  

But anyway, because you can play this game on another system...and perhaps "easier" from a control perspective the game isn't getting the credit it deserves.  

I will probably say the same is true about many of the 3rd party games, including The Godfather: Black Hand Edition, and soon to be released Scarface.

Give developers time to learn the strengths and weaknesses of the Wii.  They will learn that it should not be about making every aspect of the game motion controlled...just certain key actions, that make the game more fun and immersive.

[ShyGuy]

I thought Vanguard was pretty fun, if flawed as well. It play better if you tweak the controls to your liking, and they do give you a lot of options in the control customization department. I honestly don't think many reviewers looked at these adjustments and just used the default settings.

Godfather IMO is best controlled on the Wii.

[RawsteelUT]

The problem with Medal of Honor: Vanguard is that it's just a bad game no matter the system.  Hard to aim, bad collision detection (not the best thing for an FPS), absolutely no effort given to the graphics.  I'm sure there's fun to be had, but Vanguard is just not something people should be holding up as some sort of victim of reviewer prejudice (it got ripped to shreds on PS2 as well).

[Kairon]

FarCry and Sonic are. The only valid complaints against Far Cry are graphical, aside from that the game is the best FPS out there for the Wii. The only valid complaints against Sonic are... that the controls aren't silky smooth. Other than that it's a great return for Sonic to console gaming.

[Patchkid15]

yea sonic was okay but could have been better.