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[MorningStar]

Crusader of Centy for the SNES was basically a rip off of Zelda LttP. And RE4 is NOTHING like Zelda, haha.

[UncleBob]

Wasn't Dark Cloud for the PS2 supposed to be the Zelda Killer?

Anywhoo, Spiritual Warfare is the best damn 2D Zelda Clone ever made.  It's actually a fairy decent game.

[Spak-Spang]

I don't want more Zelda type games.  Zelda games a very hard to create and have an actual high quality game...and most of the times when people attempt to make a Zelda type game they aren't spending the time needed to do it right and it comes off as crap.  

Leave Zelda to the professionals, please.

[SixthAngel]

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Originally posted by: UncleBob
Wasn't Dark Cloud for the PS2 supposed to be the Zelda Killer?

Anywhoo, Spiritual Warfare is the best damn 2D Zelda Clone ever made.  It's actually a fairy decent game.

Dark Cloud was legitimately one of the worst games I ever played, it was one giant chore.  I believe the Alundra games are very Zelda like but I haven't been able to find them yet in a used game store.

[ThePerm]

how hard is the concept of gated access?

all zelda is is a game where you travel city to city. Each city has a nearby dungeon, which you can only access
by using an item you earned in the previous dungeon. Each dungeon has say 5 keys, 5, puzzles, a compass, a map, 1 big key, possibly a miniboss, and a boss. Each boss usually has some sort of weak spot like a rediculously huge eye which you use to weaken it, and then you use whatever new weopon you have to beat the crap out of it while its down. On the way to the dungeon there are all sorts of hidden stuff, like hearts, and fairy's which will raise your stats. It is possible to avoid the plotline and do several sidequets, ultimately the game is linear because all these sidequests do is further yu into beating the game, and or make the final boss easier to beat. like oot and mm getting biggorons sword makes Ganon alot easier, and getting the fierce deity mask makes majora pathetic(conversely not having the fierce deity mask makes majora super hard!)

[Kairon]

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Originally posted by: ThePerm
how hard is the concept of gated access?

all zelda is is a game where you travel city to city. Each city has a nearby dungeon, which you can only access
by using an item you earned in the previous dungeon. Each dungeon has say 5 keys, 5, puzzles, a compass, a map, 1 big key, possibly a miniboss, and a boss. Each boss usually has some sort of weak spot like a rediculously huge eye which you use to weaken it, and then you use whatever new weopon you have to beat the crap out of it while its down. On the way to the dungeon there are all sorts of hidden stuff, like hearts, and fairy's which will raise your stats. It is possible to avoid the plotline and do several sidequets, ultimately the game is linear because all these sidequests do is further yu into beating the game, and or make the final boss easier to beat. like oot and mm getting biggorons sword makes Ganon alot easier, and getting the fierce deity mask makes majora pathetic(conversely not having the fierce deity mask makes majora super hard!)

The concept isn't hard. What's hard is competing against an established, High Quality "Genre King" franchise. When everyone can achieve the concept (and many games do Gated Access perfectly well), then execution becomes one of your only methods of distinguishing your game from the rest of the crowded market, and thus it becomes so much harder to succeed.

See: Blue Ocean.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Keldryn]

Okami is an incredible game and was definitely the best game I had played in 2006... until I got Twilight Princess.  Okami is pretty close though.

Having spent about 25 hours playing Twilight Princess on the Wii, I can say that Okami would have been even better on the Wii than it was on the PS2.  Loading times would probably be a lot faster too.  Okami definitely draws a lot of inspiration from the Zelda series, but has enough unique qualities to make it a game unto itself.  Quality-wise, it's as close to the Zelda games as any non-Zelda game of this genre has achieved.

The original Alundra on the PlayStation was an excellent game.  The sequel wasn't.  Alundra was frustratingly difficult in places -- while it did have some very challenging puzzles, a lot of the difficulty, like Landstalker before it, came from performing jumps in that isometric view.  It was really, really hard to get some of those jumps right, due to the viewing angle.

The first Dark Cloud was a very tedious and repetitive game, and the whole "water meter" was annoying.  The second game is pretty good, but the dungeons can get repetitive quickly.  It's still no Zelda, that's for sure.

[ryancoke]

I really liked the dark cloud games. The dungeons got a little tedious and the weapon breaking was really annoying but over all they were both good. The second one especially. Definatly not "Zelda-Killers" but definately worth a look at if you like the action/adventure/rpg genre. The best part about both Dark Clouds was the weapon creation system. I think it's probably the best weapon system for any game in the genre. I really wish Zelda had more of that type of thing instead of the usual crappy sword -> master sword -> upgraded master sword format.

[ThePerm]

i really liked mystical ninja for n64.

[Smoke39]

Legend of the Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon was awesome.  I actually liked it better than Goemon's Great Adventure.