Topic: Never have I seen the sea turtle so quickly become the shark

[IceCold]

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without a focus on a creating new types of systems with DS and Wii, the fundamental shift from culturally "cool" marketing to unique feature-driven marketing couldn't have occurred.

In the case of Nintendogs, we got both!

Play on playas!

[couchmonkey]

Ha ha ha, true.  That's the thing right there...even DS marketing only recently started shifting towards, "Hey adults, you can play Nintendo too!"  The shift towards capturing non-gamers for DS seemed to come well after it was already proven in Japan which is why I'm not sure how much credit Reggie deserves.

I think he's been a good influence overall though.  Hopefully one day we'll get a decent retrospective on his work at Nintendo.

[Ian Sane]

"The one thing I see being wrong in the US is the price of the Wii (which applies to both Europe and Canada)"

Actually in Canada the Wii is cheaper than the Cube was when it launched.  That's do to the Canadian dollar being stronger against the American dollar though.

I've noticed a very improved opinion of Nintendo on the interent.  The gaming media and gaming forums and stuff like that seem to have a much more positive opinion of Nintendo right now, especially compared to Sony that seems to be pissing more and more people off each day.  But in my personal experience, the general public doesn't know the Wii exists.  No one at my work for example is talking about it at all.  I hear lots about the PS3 and Xbox 360 and nothing about the Wii unless it's coming out of my mouth and no one seems to react at all to me mentioning it.  I'll say "yeah the PS3 and Wii are taking pre-orders now" and the response will be "yeah that PS3 is going to be something else, eh?" like the Wii part of the sentence wasn't even said.  That's just a personal example but I honestly can't think of any incredibly popular product that hasn't been discussed at work at some point.  The people here either don't know or don't care.  And I haven't seen any Wii advertising at all so that is expected.

The online interest is an improvement, no doubt.  But this isn't the next iPod yet.  I just see interest from the hardcores which isn't really supposed to be the target demographic here.

[Ceric]

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I'm sorry but I haven't been impressed with Reggie since he received the Presidency of NOA.  In fact I feel like we are starting to be the last Nintendo area.  Europe is getting some sense.  Japan is strong.  Canada is making smart decisions.  Then here we are in the States and all the other Nintendo branches are making improvement and there just giving us slop from a cafeteria and we are suppose to be thankful when chicken strip day comes early.

Uuuuuuhhh...what exactly are you talking about?

What made you think this way about Nintendo of america? Frankly, I don't see that much of a difference between America, Japan, Canada and Europe. The one thing I see being wrong in the US is the price of the Wii (which applies to both Europe and Canada) and some of the launch games. Other than that, I don't see what you are talking about...

As for the Reggie issue, deny or agree all you want, but we can ALL agree that things have been different at Nintendo ever since Reggie and Iwata entered Nintendo.

Seriously, in the Hamauchi days the DS and the Wii would've been considered too crazy to work. Hell, Yamauchi himself said that if the DS failed Nintendo would take severe damage.

Both Iwata and Reggie are taking Nintendo in a whole different route and its been working.

Please fully read before responding.  I said nothing about Nintendo in general except that all the other branches where improving and the Japan branch is as Strong as ever, read the parent business.  I just said that here Reggie has yet to impress with his new position.

The things that everyone site as the strengths of Reggie he did before becoming president.  In fact I think he did them better and I think it's because he had more time to devote to those sort of marketing activities because he didn't have as many behind doors responsibilities.  Frankly from my consumer point of view I haven't seen anything that distinguish Reggie as a President yet.

Now at Nintendo itself he could have gotten everyone a raise and better health benefits etc.  I don't know.  I won't pretend to know.  Right now I believe Reggie is coasting on the Cred that he had accumulated in his previous post in the public.  I've heard much more from Iwata and even Miyamoto since Reggie took Presidency.

He is a good public figure and has a good presence.  Why aren't we seeing more of him coming to launch?  Wouldn't a Reggie DS or Wii commercial line be awesome.  He just have to wonder around and share the joy in funny situations.  It be awesome.

I'll hopefully have a big opinion switch by February after the launch and some time passes where there are less secrets.

[Requiem]

I'd like to tell yall a brief story about my life in the dorms.....*ahem*

Very few people in my dorm have Xbox 360s, and the ones that do have an HDTV. Everybody else either has something from the old generation (ps2 for the most part), or vintage Nintendo consoles (nes, snes, N64).

Now, I like to get high and play videogames (MaryJane back me up). The other day after getting high, my friends and I started talking about the PS3 and Wii. Now these dudes don't look up Nintendo info on a weekly basis, in fact, they are as casual as you can get (except for the fact that they LOVE bomberman 64). To my surprise, a couple of them are already planning to buy it. One of my friends shocked me by saying that he's done extensive research on the Wii, saying that it is the next level of gameplay.

They even got into a little roundtable talking about how graphics don't mean a damn thing anymore; it's all about gameplay. I just idly watched as they debated how well received the Wii is going to be and how much fun their going to have once they buy it (stating tennis as one of the best titles to own).

It just goes to show that no matter what, Nintendo Wii is going to have the greatest mindshare. People who don't even own a console are floored by the mere explanation of it, and as soon as people get it into there homes and dorm rooms, noone is going to NOT know what the hell the Wii is.

Seriously....I've been showing people a demo, the Wii drums demo, and people are undoubtably impress by it. Girls, guys, it doesn't matter; all of them can't wait for to play the Wii (especailly if Guitar Hero came out for it).

Wii is going to have the best word-of-mouth, that's for damn sure, now it depends if it's good or bad word-of-mouth. And it's a different story if the Wii succeeds or not.

I'm just telling you, from a Nintendo fan point of view, I am shocked at how many people know what the system is.

[NWR_pap64]

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I'm sorry but I haven't been impressed with Reggie since he received the Presidency of NOA.  In fact I feel like we are starting to be the last Nintendo area.  Europe is getting some sense.  Japan is strong.  Canada is making smart decisions.  Then here we are in the States and all the other Nintendo branches are making improvement and there just giving us slop from a cafeteria and we are suppose to be thankful when chicken strip day comes early.

Uuuuuuhhh...what exactly are you talking about?

What made you think this way about Nintendo of america? Frankly, I don't see that much of a difference between America, Japan, Canada and Europe. The one thing I see being wrong in the US is the price of the Wii (which applies to both Europe and Canada) and some of the launch games. Other than that, I don't see what you are talking about...

As for the Reggie issue, deny or agree all you want, but we can ALL agree that things have been different at Nintendo ever since Reggie and Iwata entered Nintendo.

Seriously, in the Hamauchi days the DS and the Wii would've been considered too crazy to work. Hell, Yamauchi himself said that if the DS failed Nintendo would take severe damage.

Both Iwata and Reggie are taking Nintendo in a whole different route and its been working.

Please fully read before responding.  I said nothing about Nintendo in general except that all the other branches where improving and the Japan branch is as Strong as ever, read the parent business.  I just said that here Reggie has yet to impress with his new position.

I'm sorry dude, but you clearly stated...

"I'm sorry but I haven't been impressed with Reggie since he received the Presidency of NOA.  In fact I feel like we are starting to be the last Nintendo area.  Europe is getting some sense.  Japan is strong.  Canada is making smart decisions.  Then here we are in the States and all the other Nintendo branches are making improvement and there just giving us slop from a cafeteria and we are suppose to be thankful when chicken strip day comes early.

You were clearly stating that the US was receiving the WORST treatment from the company, not that Reggie has yet to do anything that will truly impress you. If this is what you wanted to say, you wouldn't have said "Then here we are in the States and all the other Nintendo branches are making improvement and there just giving us slop from a cafeteria and we are suppose to be thankful when chicken strip day comes early.".

A comment like that indicates that you are bitter about the way Nintendo handles the US when the reality is that the US has been doing better than before, whether because of Reggie's influences or not. True, they can do BETTER, but what we have now is far better than what we had back in the day ("Who are you?" comes to mind...).

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Ceric hates all other regions and wishes them to receive Wii in 2008

/stab

[Smash_Brother]

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Ceric hates all other regions and wishes them to receive Wii in 2008

And to think, I gave him my Gamefly virginity...I mean, referral...

[Ceric]

I've been figured out.  *runs into little car*

Maybe I should clarify more.  Now on the whole Nintendo thing.  I believe that Nintendo has made immense strides in all regions in general.  I believe they have raised the baseline bar in all of them.  That NoA, in particular there US portion(I've heard of some very good decisions Canada wise), is at that bar making no effort to surpass it like the other regions.  We are getting the Wii early.  That is something and is partially in correlation to getting the most PS3, the 360 actually being fairly viable here, and Black Friday.  A lot to do with Black Friday.  Thats a little unique to here.  I just don't feel that being average is enough.

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Seriously, in the Hamauchi days the DS and the Wii would've been considered too crazy to work. Hell, Yamauchi himself said that if the DS failed Nintendo would take severe damage.

This part is the one I'm taking issue in on that post.  Thats has nothing to really do with NoA they have no real effect on those type of decisions.

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What made you think this way about Nintendo of america?

Mostly its been the customer relations for lack of a better word.  Lately we have been demanding things to see all the other regions receive them and us to get ignored,ex Black DS,  or, like with WiiPlay, be the last to be confirmed, if that is even getting confirmed.  Then are Horrid excuse for a customer benefits program.  Woopy a Wallpaper.  Japan games, shells, and wiimote TV controllers.  I'm not sure what Europe does.  We are providing them Marketing data and statistic pretty much for naught.  Also how some games have just disappeared that were popular.  Lots of little things making a whole.

I shouldn't be as mad at them as I am though.  I mean we are getting the Wii early.  We do have the Fusion tour event.  Thats all something.  I'm especially grateful for the Wii coming early.  Thats why I said that come February they might have got me to turn again.  Also for some reason I don't like Perrin Kaplan.  She always irks me.

[IceCold]

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Now, I like to get high and play videogames (MaryJane back me up). The other day after getting high, my friends and I started talking about the PS3 and Wii. Now these dudes don't look up Nintendo info on a weekly basis, in fact, they are as casual as you can get (except for the fact that they LOVE bomberman 64). To my surprise, a couple of them are already planning to buy it. One of my friends shocked me by saying that he's done extensive research on the Wii, saying that it is the next level of gameplay.

They even got into a little roundtable talking about how graphics don't mean a damn thing anymore; it's all about gameplay. I just idly watched as they debated how well received the Wii is going to be and how much fun their going to have once they buy it (stating tennis as one of the best titles to own)

That's nearly exactly the situation that I found myself in with a few friends. Except for the getting high thing. And the Bomberman 64 thing.