Author Topic: Nintendo Lends Out Characters to THQ (Read 6718 times)

D-Mac Double · « **on:** February 02, 2005, 08:58:19 AM »

Appearantly this deal only applies to DS games, which is why I posted it here.

http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=4284

Ian Sane · « **Reply #1 on:** February 02, 2005, 09:34:08 AM »

Oh dear God no!

THQ had the rights to use Sega's properties on the GBA and they ended up making that insanely crappy Revenge of Shinobi that had NOTHING to do with the original game. EA is pretty bad but they still make decent stuff. It's just really generic and dull. THQ however just makes CRAP. The Aki developer wrestling games for the N64 are the only THQ games I have played that were any good. THQ is for all intents and purposes UNABLE to create decent games and they will only ruin any Nintendo properties they use.

I'm getting REALLY sick of this crap. Nintendo fans like Nintendo games because they're really good. It has NOTHING to do with what character is on the box. Quit whoring out your franchises Nintendo because real Nintendo fans don't buy sh!t just because it has Mario in it. It's becoming very hard to defend complaints about Nintendo being all about rehashing when they're becoming all about rehashing.

This BETTER be a hoax.

Avinash_Tyagi · « **Reply #2 on:** February 02, 2005, 09:59:22 AM »

Ian, were you not earlier today telling Nintendo to promote 3rd party relationships?

The problem is most companies will not port games to nintendo without a good reason.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #3 on:** February 02, 2005, 10:14:49 AM »

Seriously, you are one of those complaining about lack of 3rd party support and yet you complain some MORE when Ninty implements methods of doing so...IT BOGGLES THE MIND...And I trust Ninty with watching over other parties more than Sega, thank you very much... =P

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #4 on:** February 02, 2005, 10:20:16 AM »

I never complained before, so now I have the right.
Screw THQ. They're lending them out too much. That one basketball game was fine, DDR was pushing it, this just pisses me off.
I don't mind competent companies contuining Nintendo franchises, though. I liked F-Zero GX a lot and I'm looking forward to Star Fox Armada. But these special additions and the fact that I hate the companies involved is really getting to me.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #5 on:** February 02, 2005, 10:33:48 AM »

Well, all I can do is hope that they get some obscure/hatedJapan-only NES title so it won't matter too much if it sucks. Because if THQ is making it, it WILL suck.

But seriously, what the hell. I was fine with Mario in NBA Street 3 because, as much as I hate EA, having good relations with them is a good business move. I was fine with DDR Mario too, if only because it's the only way GC owners would get DDR. Ninty's kinda pushing it now.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #6 on:** February 02, 2005, 10:40:39 AM »

"Ian, were you not earlier today telling Nintendo to promote 3rd party relationships?"

Not all third parties are equal. I want Nintendo to promote relationships with GOOD third parties. THQ is horsesh!t and realistically no one cares if a console has their support or not. It's not as much how many third parties support you it's which third parties support you and what they support you with. THQ made Ping Pals. Their support of the DS is useless.

Plus the whole point of having third party support is to provide variety. There's no point in getting third parties to make more Mario games. The whole reason that anyone wants third party games is because they provide something different than what Nintendo themselves make.

Sega making F-Zero turned out pretty good but realistically a Gamecube F-Zero was going to be made anyway regardless of Sega's involvement. We got nothing new out of the deal really, just a different take on F-Zero. Same with Namco's Star Fox. Star Fox was going to be made regardless of any deal with Namco. Resident Evil 4 however is an example of the third party support Nintendo needs. It's a great game and it's completely different then anything Nintendo would make. If Nintendo never made any sort of deals with Capcom we wouldn't have Resident Evil or Viewtiful Joe on the Cube. That's worthwhile third party support. That's third party support that provides variety.

Third party support isn't about third parties working on more Nintendo games.

Pale · « **Reply #7 on:** February 02, 2005, 10:43:09 AM »

Nintendo DDR is VASTLY important... granted DDR fans and nintendo fans tend to be one and the same, but it is a very important addition. As for THQ getting rights to publish and crap... I mean, they published the sonic gba games and did those suck?

Avinash_Tyagi · « **Reply #8 on:** February 02, 2005, 10:47:02 AM »

While I agree that its good to get companies to produce new games, most companies won't do that.

Like I said earlier most companies think their games will not sell on nintendo systems, unless they have Nintendo characters, Capcom was different because Mikami happens to like the cube, unfortunately this doesn't hold true for most companies.

Why do you think the only MGS game we got was a remake done by a company which at the time was a 2nd party, or why haven't we gotten any castlevania games on the cube, plain and simple third parties don't view nintendo consoles as a potential moneymaker, unfortuantely this is the only viable way to get many companie to put games on nintendo systems.

D-Mac Double · « **Reply #9 on:** February 02, 2005, 11:03:58 AM »

Something I've been wondering...

THQ has been publishing Rare's games on the GBA.
Now if Rare were to make a THQ-published game for DS, wouldn't they be able to use Nintendo's characters?

joshnickerson · « **Reply #10 on:** February 02, 2005, 12:17:52 PM »

Since there have been next to ZERO details about this, I'm not about to run around screaming that Nintendo's teh stupid or anything like that. For all we know Nintendo might have just lent them Stanley the Bugman and the Eggplant enemy from Wrecking Crew.

Caillan · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2005, 06:38:04 PM »

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Sega making F-Zero turned out pretty good but realistically a Gamecube F-Zero was going to be made anyway regardless of Sega's involvement. We got nothing new out of the deal really

What about the awesome FZero GX game that came out the end? As much as third-party support is important, making a good game should always be considered a closer goal than making money.

Gamefreak · « **Reply #12 on:** February 02, 2005, 08:14:11 PM »

If someone like Namco can turn Star Fox into average junk, then THQ... lol But it's only for DS and only for certain properties. So whatever. I don't care as long as it's not Zelda, Metroid, Fire Emblem, or something.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #13 on:** February 03, 2005, 04:00:02 AM »

I can't wait to play The Legend of Zelda: Wand of Gamelon DS!!! Oooh, and Mario is Missing DS!!
Umm, well, I already made my stance clear in the past, I think Nintendo is making a big mistake by constantly giving it's characters out. The vagueness of the report really makes me worry...hopefully THQ can't just go and make it's own Mario or Zelda or Pokemon game.
More likely, THQ is just allowed to have Mario cameos in it's products, which wouldn't be that bad, except that pretty soon everyone's going to be releasing Mario games. I thought Nintendo was getting a bit oversaturated with Mario appearances already; when every third party can make a game starring Mario, it will be absolutely ridiculous and I honestly think it will hurt Nintendo's franchises in the long run.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #14 on:** February 03, 2005, 04:50:09 AM »

The only thing that came out of THQ that was worth something outside of the good wreastling games was Red Faction II and the Rare and the good Sega GBA games.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #15 on:** February 03, 2005, 06:09:57 AM »

Too many Mario games and nintendo will have their own, personal video game crash where everyone stops buying products branded with their characters because they're f###ing tired of having Mario in every single game they play. Hell, if I reviewed those games shortly after people would complain about me listing Mario in the "contra" column.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #16 on:** February 03, 2005, 06:45:56 AM »

"If someone like Namco can turn Star Fox into average junk, then THQ... lol"

Ha! Though that does raise a good point. Namco is normally pretty competent. However they just didn't get what makes Star Fox special. That's the problem with getting third parties to make Nintendo games. Very few developers understand exactly what makes Nintendo games special. There's just a certain feeling that a Nintendo game has and few other games have it. Rare was able to get this feeling across before they became obsessed with collectathons. Retro Studios so far has been able to. Square was able to with Super Mario RPG. Capcom pretty much has with their Zelda games. Other then that no one really has been able to "get" how a Nintendo game is supposed to play like. F-Zero GX was really good but to me it felt like a really good Sega game. I could tell while playing it that Nintendo didn't make it themselves.

So if recreating that Nintendo experience is a rare occurance and can only be done by elite developers how can THQ do it? They can't. It's impossible. So thus no good will come from any deal with them. And because of the rarity of anyone outside of Nintendo pulling off a Nintendo calibre game Nintendo should lend their franchises out very rarely and only to the best of the best. It's not about the franchises it's about the Nintendo magic.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #17 on:** February 03, 2005, 07:06:19 AM »

I'm agreeing whole-heartedly with Ian, he made excellent points all around.

Savior · « **Reply #18 on:** February 03, 2005, 07:09:46 AM »

This is bad on soo many levels including the fact that the DS Was supposed to be fully supported by Third Parties, Nintendo shouldnt whore its characters to get support on the Ds, and THq is a mediocre developer who has long supported Nintendo, why "entice" them? Bad Bad idea.

Arbok · « **Reply #19 on:** February 03, 2005, 01:35:35 PM »

This is a rumor, right? I mean, please tell me this hasn't been confirmed?

If it is true, maybe they are letting THQ port over some of their games while their own studios can work on new content? Even then, though, I kind of doubt THQ would be able to pull that off right. THQ should really stick to just publishing titles, as they haven't developed anything worth buying since the start of the new generation of systems.

Michael8983 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 04, 2005, 03:31:24 AM »

Yeah, I think ports are likely.
I'm sure THQ is at least capable of porting a great game if they can't make one.
There are still lots of great NES/SNES games that deserve new life on the GBA and I'd personally rather get a straight-forward port from THQ than a needlessly altered port from Nintendo anyway. A complete remake is one thing but just adding annoying vocals like they did with the Mario Advance titles is something I'd prefer to do without. These games were perfect just as they were and should presented to a new generation of gamers just as they were. If Nintendo can get THQ to do the grunt work in porting old games while it devotes its resources to creating new ones, I'm all for it.
I find it hard to believe Nintendo would trust THQ with anything more.

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Author Topic: Nintendo Lends Out Characters to THQ (Read 6718 times)