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TalkBack / RE: Website Aims to Change Nintendo's HD Policy

« on: June 26, 2005, 01:39:53 AM »

It is good that people would like to discuss this even further, im not sure what is happening. Is this a media trick by Nintendo to keep the debate going ? To see wheter their strategy is correct.

I am not sure that either we get "more sales" by not having it or having it. But one thing is for sure that at the end of the lifespawn of the Revolution it might look very "dated" versus the competition . That is if they manage to get "games" on their console's and not tech demo's

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TalkBack / RE:Revolution Eschews High Definition

« on: June 17, 2005, 09:20:02 AM »

There will be plenty of people with a HDTV , same goes for internet but there are more console owners without internet then with internet ....

It is not as much a factor as you make it. Since the Revolution will support internet ....

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TalkBack / RE: Revolution Eschews High Definition

« on: June 17, 2005, 01:16:52 AM »

Basicly there are cheap HD-TV's below $1000 price range , there are no cheap 1080p  televisions. Which indeed are expensive.

The JVC products i hear have no such short comings (models introduced this year).

Check the link i gave that will surely take away some doubt as to LCD tv's not being capable enough .

[Bloodworth]

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TalkBack / RE:Revolution Eschews High Definition

« on: June 16, 2005, 01:43:10 PM »

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Originally posted by: Bloodworth

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Graphics sells systems , if not we be stuck still with the Atari 2600.

True, but HD is another ballgame.  This is a graphical step that a lot of people simply won't be able to take advantage of.  Plenty of people buy their TVs from garage sales or from friends that are upgrading, and would never consider spending more than $100 on a set even if they're willing to spend a lot on games.  

The rumors about the Revolution being underpowered are completely based on assumption and Nintendo's "bad habit" of trying to give realistic estimates about their machines' performance, which people suddenly compare to MS and Sony's bloated numbers.  But the numbers don't matter even if you are a graphics junkie, unless you can actually see a difference in the graphics.  The PS2 was supposedly more powerful than the GameCube on paper, but GameCube games tend to look better overall.

I tend to agree that the numbers game that is being ran now is silly.
"All" of "us" "veteran" gamers know that because a game runs at 800*600 doesnt mean it somehow is crap and or could be the best if it somehow ran at 1024*768.

"underpowered" might not be a good term and lets turn it around, Sony and MS have overpowered PC alike gaming machine's. Which is unclear if this is an advantage at this point. Except for the fact that it is easy to program for.

Nintendo expects sales based on their games for whatever reason. Nintendo probably cant stay afloat on 3rd party titles being sold on all console's unless the owner owns just a Revolution. Nintendo by their own hands has got to make such a huge impact (gaming wise) to wipeout the competition on this front that i would be stunned if they could pull it of.  

And i dont think that Revolution will be underpowered but just not "fit" todo the job with higher resolution graphics. In all estimate's and showings of the console it looks good it seems to be something they worked hard on also something which was expected (same as gamecube , new CPU new GFX chip), nothing groundbreaking.

And im not so sure if "gamers" would not buy TV with HDMI input. It seems to be a way forward better graphics and such. Let me give you an example of a TV with such features (in english)

http://www.jvc.nl/site/nl/dynapix/index.html

It shows you the options which a LCD HD TV by JVC has as a standard. And yes the world probably doesnt have as much HDTV's sold for it to be a slamdunk ....

But certainly featurewise important enough for the competitors to focus on (also due to the fact that the CPU and gfx chip on those prolly not do anything if they were just used for a standard TV signal) .

And i think when Sony launched the PS2 DVD's were not even common.

It is hard to say , my gut feeling tells me when i saw Defender of the Crown on the Amiga that i would very much like to own the computer that was able to produce such amazing graphics. But still it is a mix of games you like and good graphics more then just eye candy tech demo's with no soul.

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TalkBack / RE: Revolution Eschews High Definition

« on: June 16, 2005, 05:15:00 AM »

Japan is probably the only market which is "immune" to the graphics department North America and Europe far more sensitive towards this. And Japan just went ape over Nintendodogs . And if you wanted to put me down on my own  argument you could have said then howcome the PS2 is king and not the Xbox  .

There are somethings which cant be explained. Well if anyone knew at Nintendo that higher resolution will make them #1 again they do it in a heartbeat

Online market is still not a strong selling point, i never had the urge to buy a console to go play games online.

TV resolution just plainly sucks "better" graphics come from framebuffer features such as anti-alias and so on. But still we need some more pixels 352*256 orso or whatever weird overscan number you wanna put there. Is nothing much to look at these days.

This is a limit on TV's even stuff like NTSC and PAL differ from  eachother (in colours, framerate and resolution). You will never be able todo anything more with it then the number mentioned above. While Sony boasted that their games will be a standard 2000*1000 pixels widescreen format ... 1080p . Overkill means nothing but to get stuck in the past doesnt win any awards either .

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TalkBack / RE: Revolution Eschews High Definition

« on: June 16, 2005, 03:56:56 AM »

Ill say it here

The revolution probably cant handle it , this will mean that Nintendo is again stuck with a "custom memory" approach for the revolution (which developers bitched about before). So again no easy ports.

Probably the whole architechture is not designed to handle such bandwidth or higher resolution graphics from the start  to the finish.

Nintendo still has time i think. But it is _very_ clear that they probably underestimated the market _again_ .


Graphics sells systems , if not we be stuck still with the Atari 2600.  TV's are getting cheaper and the ones with HDMI input are at "consumer" prices now anywhere between $800 $1000 for ones that support 720p (which is a clear step up from normal TV resolution).

We dont have to guess why Sony or MS like to go that way it is not even important why they want it. Even tho we been spammed to death in the early days of the XBoX with graphics that you simply couldnt get out of "a" "TV" and Xbox.

Now if Nintendo is going to scream it is all about games, i can buy a dedicated pac-man arcade to connect to my TV and play that all day long. If i wanted old SNES or N64 titles i would have bought it already (niche market again FFS Nintendo get serious).

Now is HD TV support going to be blissfull and garantee everlasting profits , NO.
Is it going to make the Revolution much more expensive , NO.
Is it going to get us going, YES.

Thank you

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TalkBack / RE: Atlus Ships Puyo Pop Fever for Nintendo DS

« on: May 04, 2005, 12:28:48 PM »

Value for money tho as i understand it , basicly you buy it for 7 friends also and it's not just a souped up GBA version

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TalkBack / RE: Atlus Ships Puyo Pop Fever for Nintendo DS

« on: May 04, 2005, 04:42:37 AM »

Commodore 64  

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TalkBack / RE: BLAH BLAH BLAH: GameCube 64

« on: April 07, 2005, 12:33:45 AM »

just saw on cnn that in the bizbar Nintendo raises profit est. for 2004-2005 by 17%  

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TalkBack / RE:BLAH BLAH BLAH: GameCube 64

« on: April 05, 2005, 11:00:57 PM »

That would be very bad tho my best friend works for sony .

Like i said before you can not expect a 180 degree turn from Nintendo, but somethings might change now that the new hardware of MS will be more alike the hardware of the Revolution this could be something which we will have to see at E3 (suggested announcements for next gen hardware should be there) if so then "ports" and development time of 3rd party titles might become easier .

Even tho the gamecube might be "doomed" im sure that people at Nintendo can look past the spreadsheet monkeys advice (NoE = good example of spreadsheet monkeys) and "give" more to us gamers but how much more and at what pace maybe that will endup happening in a years time and if they will have adjusted some of their "market strategy".  

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TalkBack / RE:BLAH BLAH BLAH: GameCube 64

« on: April 05, 2005, 01:18:58 PM »

Jon

About the online stuff , what people dont know is that sometimes it is very hard to do it when you recieve next to nothing about it from Nintendo and or have todo the interface from scratch , working with serverside software you have no control over. I am not sure how devs dump online in GC versions but im sure that it is due to it being not that easy without it being tried and tested alike Xbox live.

That is probably why there hardly any online titles.  And or it gets sacrificed because it wouldnt effect sales (boring i know).  And stuff like PSO 1&2 just kinda sucks hard not just the monthly fee, the problem of memory card deletion and so on.

"We" gamers have a whole other look towards "online" some see it as a must have others may think it is nice , would we all use it allways all of the time , maybe not. But even if we arent using it should it be included in every game?

Maybe so i would have loved to see Super Smash Brothers Melee online and even if it is not a major selling point the feature should be so that we could either choose it for lan gaming or over the internet.

The Graphical User Interface is the most important thing it has got to be so simple (go watch a GDC xbox live online speech on ign ) that everyone can use it and gain acces to a game within roughly 30 seconds. If this isnt the case the GUI  is a problem.
I believe that if Nintendo wants to go "online" they better get all of the problems straight. There is nothing more annoying to devs and gamers when they would like to use the feature but it isnt done right.

Now would this solve all the problems ?    

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TalkBack / RE: BLAH BLAH BLAH: GameCube 64

« on: April 04, 2005, 11:34:46 PM »

btw i do hope that the drought is due to them having enough people working on DS and Revolution titles

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TalkBack / RE:BLAH BLAH BLAH: GameCube 64

« on: April 04, 2005, 11:21:21 PM »

The problem described in the part do sound like what happened to the N64 more or less. But somethings are hard to change.

MS and Sony :

How can a company like Nintendo fight these 1 just making a huge debt to sell it systems and buying "every" developer to work exclusively on their platform (hence no game on the GC) (and shell space in stores also is a key item Nintendo loses out (atleast here in Europe))
and the other which is the reigning king of the console's with a media budget for triple A release's everyone drools at.

Nintendo cant persue it like these companies have for different reasons. A development cycle these days is a good 2 years so if Nintendo wants to get hold of these new people for their system it is a long wait for them to have finally shipped a product (and devs are picky these days (when you can sell your title on PS2 or Xbox why bother with GameCube?)).

But when you say there are droughts indeed , but would or should it be filled with average titles produced by Nintendo 1st or 2nd party "fillers" not sure if that would be the answer.


The things that are changing are release dates (between America/Europe/Japan), nothing more then "good press" for  Nintendo. Indeed Nintendo is lacking some sort of stretch that they cant get "good" games on their system. But im not sure if we are missing out on all those "duds" that appear on other systems. Where we get "hyped" into thinking the games on that system are substantially more and better then on "our" platform.

Being that i am a single console owner and hardly play anymore i still got bothered enough to buy Tales of Symphonia , which i rather enjoyed. I wish it would be a little stronger but i cant see Nintendo finding a smart strategy to come up with the goods on a short term.