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Originally posted by: ThePerm
err, i want my pokemon to be able to learn all moves, i want voice control via microphone attachment
and make the opriginal pokemon the most common and the other ones hard to find in the mmo world.
imagine
push the remote forward, a pokeball flies on the screen, you yell "pikachu i choose you!"
your being attacked by a nidoking, he charges for you, "pikachu quick attack" nidoking becomes confused "pikachu head butt" nidoking looks stunned but uses surf, waves fill the area "pikachu jump"
"now thundbolt!!"
), I'm asking a lot of questions at local retails. I keep getting told similar stories once we get past the "No one knows when we'll get more." I keep hearing that retailers get shipments weekly but several plan to do advertised relaunches before xmas. It might be that an accurate picture of the Nintendo's demand (and competence, for those questioning) will be available after the 25th.
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Originally posted by: shrapnel09
i heard of this news awhile ago, i posted it but didnt make a thread about it... i will be waiting in line about 12 hours before 8:00am, the person at walmart said they would have atleast 3.
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Now why was the fun game more fun? There are no right answers but it is doubtful it has anything to do with graphics."
Hardware improvements create more than just prettier graphics. The SNES wasn't just a prettier Nintendo. It could do scaling and rotating and all sorts of other effects that affected gameplay and that could not be done on the NES. Miyamoto has stated that he wanted Mario to ride a dinosaur on the NES but couldn't do it because the hardware wasn't good enough. That right there is a new feature in Super Mario World that was impossible on the NES. Mode 7 games like F-Zero and Super Mario Kart were impossible. And then the N64 takes it a step further. How could you do 3D like THAT on the SNES hardware? On the Cube could 100 Pikmin be on screen on the N64 without the framerate going to hell? No.
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"We may not know the true potential of Wii's graphics capabilities. I'm no graphics whore, but it does seem like Nintendo undercut their technology. So Nintendo plays the graphics games, loses to graphically inferior PS2, then decides that gamers don't want graphics. Lesson learned? Not quite. The lesson here is that people don't want impressive graphics only. Passing on high-def is one thing, making Wii supposedly 'twice as powerful as Gamecube' is an extreme alternative."
I agree completely and think this is a great example of Nintendo learning the wrong lesson. The PS2 having inferior graphics was a coincedence. At the time the PS2 was released Sony was trying to be on the cutting edge graphically and were only behind because their console launched a year earlier. They succeeded despite it because the hardware was still reasonably comparible and they had good third party support and some really popular exclusives. Nintendo acts like the weak graphics somehow contributed to the PS2's success. Nintendo comes to really nutty conclusions. When they revealed the whole non-gamer plan they somehow connected it to the Cube's low sales. "Boy that Gamecube didn't too well. I figure it must be because our games were too intimidating to non-gamers."
"I want to ask the simple question, how will Microsoft and Sony be able to continue to create engaging software that creates unique control mechanics with controllers that have been the standard for close to 8 years now. Everything that is being done on the Xbox 360 controller has been done before, and there is no unique control experience."
The question I have is "who cares?" A unique control experience is not what you buy a console for. You buy it for unique GAME experiences which can be done regardless of what changes are made to a controller. When playing SNES did you ever think "boy I sure enjoy these shoulder buttons! This was the reason I bought this console!"? Probably not. In fact Super Mario World didn't even use them in a significant way but it was still a great game and had some new ideas not featured in the NES Marios. The PS2 had pretty much the exact same controller as the PS1 but it still had unique game experiences.
Now had Nintendo merely added new ideas to the existing controller like they had done in the past then there would be less doubt. But Nintendo told us that our old controllers were broken, something that no one thinks except Nintendo and some of their fans who only think that because Nintendo told them so. They're not just adding new stuff they're proposing a new standard. That sort of idea makes people defensive. Who is Nintendo, the market loser who is ridiculously out-of-touch and tries to grab every last penny from us, to tell us that a 20 year old proven controller design needs to be replaced? Plus with the Wii the controller is really the ONLY new feature. Online was what Nintendo SHOULD have done last gen. I like their setup but they're just playing catch-up. The hardware itself isn't upped much so the controller is everything.
So if the controller sucks then the entire Wii is a waste of time and money. I thought the Cube's clicky shoulder buttons weren't all that cool when I first heard about them and I was right in the end. But I was still excited about the Cube because the extra hardware boost would allow for new ideas and would improve on old ideas. And though it was a little infrequent it happened, even though the clicky buttons were a dud. The N64 without the analog stick and the SNES without shoulder buttons still offered new possibilities. Wii games that don't use the remote probably could have been done on the Cube provided the online capabilities had been used. So there is more pressure on the controller alone to perform and thus more skepticism about whether it will or not.
Regarding Player's Choice titles remember that when Nintendo first released Player's Choice titles on the Cube some titles were $30 while ALL PS2 or Xbox discount titles were $20. That's the sort of greedy Nintendo stuff we're talking about. There was no reason to charge a higher price than the competition. Nintendo was just dicking us around because they thought they could. Sony was the market leader and could have probably gotten away with charging $30 but didn't while Nintendo was in last place and couldn't get away with pissing off consumers for no reason but did anyway. That's Nintendo in a nutshell. "We have no leverage but we're going to act like we do anyway."
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
Is your mention of coconuts an allusion to semen? 'Cause I mean, have you ever tasted semen?
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Donkey Kong wasn't designed for people who like games...."
Donkey Kong was designed to make use of unsold Radarscope cabinets. I would never consider it a non-game because it's quite clearly designed for the same group of people that liked playing other arcade games of the time. It was also an incredibly advanced game for it's time which goes against the non-game approach of simplifying things for people who find gaming as is too "intimidating". The non-game design is largely based on the idea of not only targetting people who don't play games but by doing so with a game that gamers might not be interested in. The whole plan very blatantly revolves around the idea of making two different types of product for two different groups. That is quite different then making a game that just happens to have wide appeal. The concept, or at least the parts of it I don't like, is quite recent and ties in with Iwata becoming the head of Nintendo.
