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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Official Sales Thread
« on: March 27, 2015, 02:56:04 PM »
that would be easier, sure.
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Nah, there's just some people on this forum who hate Nintendo and, not surprisingly, they are exited at the fact that Nintendo may also lose the console race in Japan when it has looked like it might win there for this generation.
Vita is doing better than Wii U. Is that your benchmark for "proof" consoles are dead in Japan, Wii U is beaten out by two handhelds? What if PS4 does turn things around, which it looks to be doing, still going to pretend like consoles are not dead?
For the sake of the Japanese gaming industry that abandoned the console market years ago, I hope the PS4 DOES turn things around in Japan. I WANT to see a revitalized Japanese development scene after that market completely collapsed last generation. I've just seen this little dance play out several times in the past few years: temporary bump, followed by severe slide as the same old 2-3 handheld franchises dominate the charts. And meanwhile, another Japanese developer jumps ship to join the mobile scene.
The PS4 is dominating worldwide. There's no disputing that. However, for the PS4 to really turn things around in Japan, it would have to explode in a way we haven't seen in Japan since the PS2 days because that is the only way all these Japanese developers will come back. I just don't see that happening. The sales have been too soft.
Not an excuse to not try. The only time since the N64 I feel Nintendo didn't completely sabotage third party support with idiotic hardware restrictions was the Gamecube
God how can you be so damn think, Game Cube was probably even more restrictive to what 3rd parties were doing than Wii was. Not being able to play DVD's, forget the movies for a moment, that alone made developers have to intentionally make cuts to their games especially in the latter years. There were games that couldn't be done on Game Cube because the content would not fit on a tiny disc and the market was not accepting multidisc games any more. PS2 supposedly won all those "casuals" by playing DVD movies, to some degree I think that is true but you cannot attribute playing DVD movies to PS2 success and then not mention it as one MAJOR reason why Game Cube failed. Weather it mattered to YOU or ME or anyone here, there is overwhelming evidence that many people were in fact turned off by that major featuring lacking from the GameCube so much that despite having far fewer, and often inferior games, the Xbox managed to beat Nintendo in nearly every turn.
Game Cube lacked proper online something Dreamcast was doing at the time. There are COUNTLESS examples where a game on PS2/Xbox had online and as a result was either not released on Game Cube or had the online removed making it an inferior purchase. The Game Cube was NOT developer friendly. IF Game Cube had been exactly as released same games, same price point, same connectivity and the only difference was proper online and full DVD support including movie play back and STILL bombed then yes you might have an argument but Game Cube was butchered compared to its competition and the BIG AAA games that were pushing sales of the other two were mostly lacking on Game Cube as a result. Hell it was missing many of the major sports games right off the bat. Game Cube is one of my all time favorite machines and despite ME loving it for the games, there is now way to deny that those major flaws had an impact on sales. Unless you live in a bubble where Nintendo can do no wrong, which you claim is not the case yet you continue to pretend Game Cube was ACTUALLY on par with its competition when it was not at all.
Graphically sure but specs are more than graphics and at a time when online and multi media cut scenes were all the rage NOT having the ability to play 60% or more of the hits of the day certainly held it back.
Sure they will, they are doing it in droves. Every sales story says the Ps4 is selling faster than Ps2 do you really think all of that is hard core gamers? The flaw in this argument is lumping all people who aren't hard core into one "casual" umbrella which is erroneous there are a lot of Madden/CoD and Wrestling only "gamers" who will buy the damn thing too. You can say Ps4 won't sell as well as Ps2 all you want while in the real world it ALREADY IS doing just that.
That's not true anymore.
Yes it launched stronger but that's thanks to the huge demand for new next gen consoles since the previous one dragged on so long. The hardcore make launches successful while the casuals are what drive long term sales. The fact PS4 sales are slowing down around the time the PS2 took off shows it's not appealing to families and casuals like the PS2 did.