Topic: Hey look yet another Guitar Hero game announced but wait....it's a rehash!!

[UltimatePartyBear]

That's a better list than I expected.  I hope that rumor's true, though it's missing some of my favorites.  I can't believe they'd dip into Rocks the '80s and not come up with Flock of Seagulls.  I'll also miss some of the better bonus tracks from the Harmonix era, and not just stuff like Trogdor.  I'd love to see Cheat on the Church get the World Tour treatment, for example.

How does "The Trooper" confirm covers?  I don't necessarily mind, I guess.  The Guitar Hero cover versions were my first exposure to several songs.

[Stratos]

I don't think that will be the whole setlist. Considering the last GH and RB both had 80+ songs I would guess (and hope) for a lot more. Especially since they were already made before for Guitar and Bass.
I would really like to see Black Magic Woman, Knights of Cydonia, Devil Went Down to Georgia, Rock You Like a Hurricane, Striken, Schools Out and Closer from GH3.

[Spinnzilla]

How does "The Trooper" confirm covers?  I don't necessarily mind, I guess.  The Guitar Hero cover versions were my first exposure to several songs.

Because of how Iron Maiden recorded their songs.  They recorded the vocals and drums on the same track, making it impossible for Iron Maiden master tracks to be in FULL BAND games.  Unless they rerecorded it.  This is why "Run to the Hills" is a cover in RB and why we saw no Maiden in Guitar Hero: Metallica, despite the band pushing hard to get them in.

[Halbred]

I hope there aren't too many GH3 songs on that disk. I have GH3 for my PS3. I don't need to play those songs again. And like I said, everything has to be master recordings. No more covers. I can't listen to covers anymore after World Tour.

[Spinnzilla]

I don't mind covers for the most part.  If it's a favorite band, of course I want the original version but GH covers tend to be high quality stuff.

[Ian Sane]

Because of how Iron Maiden recorded their songs.  They recorded the vocals and drums on the same track, making it impossible for Iron Maiden master tracks to be in FULL BAND games.  Unless they rerecorded it.  This is why "Run to the Hills" is a cover in RB and why we saw no Maiden in Guitar Hero: Metallica, despite the band pushing hard to get them in.

Couldn't Maiden just re-record those songs?  The Sex Pistols and Motorhead both have re-recorded 2008 versions of their songs on World Tour.  I heard that the master tapes for the Sex Pistols lone album have been lost so they had to re-record their songs to get them in the game.  I'm assuming a similar reason for Motorhead.

In Maiden's case they could probably just have Nicko and Bruce re-record the drums and vocals and keep the original guitar and bass tracks.

[EasyCure]

I don't mind covers for the most part.  If it's a favorite band, of course I want the original version but GH covers tend to be high quality stuff.

Even if some of those covers were high quality, i'd still want ALL originals if only so they don't get to have the cover artists change lyrics because of content. Oh, and they weren't all high quality

This is a perfect example of a bad cover

and heres the Original for comparison purposes. Also the lyrics:

Tonights the night that we got the truck
Were goin downtown gonna beat up drunks punks
Your turn to drive Ill bring the beer
Its the late, late shift no one to fear
And ride, ride how we ride
We ride, lowride

Its roundup time where the good whores girls meet
Gonna drag one screaming off the street

And ride, ride how we ride

Got a black uniform and a silver badge
Playin cops for real/playin cops for pay

Lets ride, lowride

Pull down your dress heres a kick in the ass butt
Lets beat you blue til you **** you're loose in your pants
Dont move, child got a big black stick
Theres six of us babe, so suck on my dick so take-a your pick

And ride, ride how we ride
Lets ride, lowride

The left newspapers might whine a bit
But the guys at the station they dont give a **** fit(?)
Dispatch calls are you doin something wicked?
No siree, jack, were just givin tickets

As we ride, ride, how we ride
Lets ride, lowride

Now i understand some of those edits but some are just plain silly. I'd rather have the 'bad' parts just muted out and give me the freedom to them off the top of my lungs when amongst fellow adult gamers.

[Morari]

Great idea. **** execution.

What is Activision's problem with just releasing stuff as DLC?

[Stratos]

Great idea. **** execution.

What is Activision's problem with just releasing stuff as DLC?

More easy money off of disk sales.

How does "The Trooper" confirm covers?  I don't necessarily mind, I guess.  The Guitar Hero cover versions were my first exposure to several songs.

Because of how Iron Maiden recorded their songs.  They recorded the vocals and drums on the same track, making it impossible for Iron Maiden master tracks to be in FULL BAND games.  Unless they rerecorded it.  This is why "Run to the Hills" is a cover in RB and why we saw no Maiden in Guitar Hero: Metallica, despite the band pushing hard to get them in.

And there are ways to get songs on there that do not have the instruments on separate tracks. Harmonix is able to do it. It just takes a LOT of work.
Beatles didn't all have separate tracks on their songs and a game is being released of their stuff.

[Spinnzilla]

Great idea. **** execution.

What is Activision's problem with just releasing stuff as DLC?

More easy money off of disk sales.

DLC is the most profitable aspect of these games....

[BranDonk Kong]

I don't think they'll be covers - since Harmonix made the 1st 3 games, and because the War Pigs cover on GH2 is the same cover that's DLC in Rock Band.

[Stratos]

Great idea. **** execution.

What is Activision's problem with just releasing stuff as DLC?

More easy money off of disk sales.

DLC is the most profitable aspect of these games....

I'm willing to bet more people buy the disks than get DLC. GH more so than RB.
Plus I don't think DLC is as profitable as some would think. Not saying it isn't profitable, but it's not a golden goose either.

[Khushrenada]

The songs I would want:

Guitar Hero:

I Love Rock N Roll

Guitar Hero 2:

Crazy On You
Sweet Child O' Mine

Guitar Hero 3

Barracuda
Hit Me With You Best Shot
Paint It Black
Rock You Like A Hurricane
Same Old Song And Dance
Welcome To The Jungle

Guitar Hero: Areosmith

Dream Police
She Sells Sanctuary
All Day and All of the Night
Make It
Draw The Line
Movin' Out
Sweet Emotion
RagDoll
Livin' on the Edge
Love in an Elevator
Nobody's Fault
Walk This Way
Back In The Saddle
Beyond Beautiful
Dream On
Kings And Queens
Toys In The Attic
Train Kept A Rollin' (the real version and not a cover like RB)

And if they decide to dig this far,
GH: Rocks the 80s

Heat of the Moment
I Ran
No One Like You
Radar Love


So, yeah, no surprise that the Areosmith version had the most tracks since I said earlier I'd like to see that whole disc converted to the full band treatment. But if I had to pick one, it would actually be She Sell Sanctuary by The Cult. Love that song.

Part of the reason is this, many of the songs covered in the first few GH games have already been converted into band songs like Message in a Bottle or Ballroom Blitz or Carry on Wayword Son. Plus, I don't recognize a lot of the other songs so it's hard to say if I'd like them or not. But I dislike Metal greatly. If there's a metal song, I'll play it once on Easy with the sound way down just to pass it and be down with it. Even grunge I'm not a fan of. Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam and other stuff like that.

So, in that way, discs make sense. It forces people to pay for songs they might not want for songs they do. It might be better than DLC since all songs enjoy the same sales instead of only having a few songs that sell high. I don't like it but I get why they're doing it.

[Spinnzilla]

Great idea. **** execution.

What is Activision's problem with just releasing stuff as DLC?

More easy money off of disk sales.

DLC is the most profitable aspect of these games....

I'm willing to bet more people buy the disks than get DLC. GH more so than RB.
Plus I don't think DLC is as profitable as some would think. Not saying it isn't profitable, but it's not a golden goose either.

And I'm willing to bet RB has made much more via DLC sales than software sales.  And GH will too once the DLC begins to find its feet.

[Stratos]

The reason is because RB worked hard to set up a model of being DLC centric. But the series has only been around for less than a year and a half. Time will tell if it can become sustainable in the long run.
The activity of RB 1 users on the XBox platform showed that a healthy dose of DLC did not cause a large number of people to stay with the game longer. The nature of DLC requires that gamers continue to play games after the initial launch and play cycle so they will buy new stuff. GH has a major one-time purchase supplemented with a lighter amount of DLC so it will not affect them as much if people decide to move on to something else and cease to buy DLC.
This year will be even more of a test as there will be no RB3 to draw users new and old into the fold once more.

Here is the link to the analysis data I referenced.
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=22078