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RE: Problems with 3D Control in console games
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2005, 03:25:14 AM »
"With a face wheel or any scroll wheel you could reload a gun by revolving the disk. "

No that wont help nintendo because it has no good uses but to make stupid mac fan happy and be make it hard for nongamers to get into.
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RE: Problems with 3D Control in console games
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2005, 09:08:44 AM »
You could also reload your gun with a button press or just assume the user reloads whenever he has the time and refill his clip when he doesn't shoot for x seconds (obviously not when you only hold entire clips and reloading before empty wastes ammo).

A wheel takes up a LOT of space, sure that space wouldn't be better spent for other features?

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RE: Problems with 3D Control in console games
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2005, 02:57:04 PM »
Yeah like holograms.
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RE: Problems with 3D Control in console games
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2005, 09:27:01 PM »
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RE:Problems with 3D Control in console games
« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2005, 09:54:02 AM »
KDR11k, I don´t have a computer right now! But I will get one. When I log onto PGC,  I do it from a PC Café! Sucks, but that is the way it will be until I will go to buy a DELL XPS next year and smoke the competition as regards raw processing power.

Nemo83 has completely understood what I meant, when I wrote about the inherent problems with the current types of console controllers. I really fel we need a revolution in terms of interface, and think we will indeed get just that come RVN announcement from Nintendo.

And Shecky: thanks for the nice photo additions! Still, I really can?t understand how you guys can hold it the way you do. Also, I only got the cramps after hours of gameplay. If I ever held it like you guys do, I would be unable to feel in solid control of Mario or Link (or whomever, whatever was controlling).

 
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RE: Problems with 3D Control in console games
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2005, 02:14:03 AM »
DELL? Smoke the competition? AHAHAHAHAAA! Yes, you might have raw processing power but only where it doesn't matter, i.e. in a Pentium 4 processor. Those things are among the least efficient processors on the market. Both power consumption and work-to-cycle ratio, a P4 is a waste of money that is designed more for marketing than usage. Seriously, get a cheap CPU and if you want high end throw the money at the graphics card and RAM. If you buy a high end Dell you pay enough to afford two custom built game machines. Look at smaller computer stores, some have much lower prices. Read a tutorial or two about building your own PC (or just read the mainboard's manual which describes 90% of the process, the rest is just plugging in monitor, keyboard and mouse).

Though a local store might even have cheap complete systems, for example the store I regularly buy my stuff from offers pretty good base systems for 500 or even 190 if you want to throw a few upgrades at it (graphics card, another 512MB of RAM, 100 for the graphics card, 40 for the RAM) and a few in between, some of which need cheap upgrades to be effective gaming rigs. 19" CRT for 100 (LCDs cost more and deliver less, a CRT, especially a 19" one delivers much better resolution, no blurring and better colors). Plug in your sound system. Add maybe 10 minimum for mouse/keyboard, depending on whether you want the basic versions or ome more expensive stuff and you're good to go.

Your local prices might go up by 80 for the PC because MS pressures retailers into selling no PC without Windows (actually without OS but few are smart enough to bundle Linux or FreeDOS), make sure they don't want to throw some office package in there, it sounds like a deal but you can get free software instead that only lacks the features you'll never need anyway and you always pay for that bundled software. All you need is Windows itself (since you're a gamer I won't try to sell you the more esoteric solution of "Linux+Cedega" that doesn't work with many games), no extras. And dont accept "repair CDs" or crap like that, insist on a full version of Windows, anything else means trouble. Dell will force a much bigger bundle on you by default and preconfigure your PC in a way that will make your games run much worse than they could.

All in all that sounds confusing but the result is much cheaper and you have much more control over it. You know who built it, you know what's in there and you know that nothing you don't want is in there (well, except for Windows' "extra functionality" like intalling random viri from the internet but Dell won't remove that either). It's really not difficult, most of the difficulty came from jumper setting and stuff back then, nowadays it's pretty much "plug everything together, power on".

And drop the "RVN" label, "RV" and "RN" are internal chip codenames by ATI, RV being a budget Radeon and RN the rumored name of the Hollywood chip. Of course with numbers appended, e.g. RV200 (Radeon 7200).

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RE:Problems with 3D Control in console games
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2005, 04:24:08 AM »
Wow! I never knew that Dell was such a cunning company!

So I guess I will just have to go and get another solution instead. I did know that the small shops cann help me save a lot of money, but don´t know which ones I can trust.

As regards the true meaning of the RVN-abbreviation I came up with, I am not a computer expert, and so I have no way of knowing the things you know. I just wanted to invent another designation (alike GCN: GameCube Nintendo), since I am tired of the name "Revolution", which is a pain in the neck for the reason that the name implies something great, but we don´t get to know nothing about it other than that and that sucks! It´s like knowing something truly revolutionary comes out and you are dying to see it, feel it, experience it, but all you got is that name which they put on it. So through an abbreviation I find it less annoying.

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RE: Problems with 3D Control in console games
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2005, 12:59:49 PM »
My first "console FPS experience" was actually using the Slingshot in Zelda: Ocarina of Time.  Naturally, many of us went on to complete all the shooting galleries and learned to aim at small moving targets (bats, birds).  For all games afterward, analog-aiming was simply a matter of practice and adjusting to different levels of sensitivity.  But since that game is nearly 6 years old, it just shows we have a lot of experience with the control scheme.

All of that is fine and dandy until game makers like EA come along (*barf* Agent Under Fire *barf*) and gives you a shooter where all the aiming schemes force you to use the RIGHT ANALOG STICK INSTEAD OF THE LEFT ANALOG STICK I'VE BEEN USING FOR AN ENTIRE GENERATION.  Such a change is counter-intuitive to the point it makes me bash my head against the wall.
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RE: Problems with 3D Control in console games
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2005, 03:59:14 PM »
It's not "counter-intuitive" it's "REVOLUTIONARY!"
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RE: Problems with 3D Control in console games
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2005, 04:08:14 PM »
if you mean revolutionary like spark intense emotions (BASH HEAD AGAINST WALL) then I must agree.
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RE: Problems with 3D Control in console games
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2005, 01:16:58 AM »
Yeah, those awful games like Metal Arms...

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« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2005, 05:53:41 AM »
Adjusting to other FPS games was not easy for me, due to aforementioned issue with the tall left analogue controlstick. Strangely, analogue aiming was never a problem for me with the GCN Zelda games. It seems that Nintendo has done something to ease the aiming function in those games. They always try to make their products perfect anyway, so I think that there might never be a problem for me aiming in any of their Zelda titles.
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RE:Problems with 3D Control in console games
« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2005, 03:51:40 PM »
"AMD filed a suit against Intel" "Yeah, those awful games like Metal Arms"

I think Intel is no more .Intel raid by Euro Army aka KDR secret army that trying to take over the world and Metal Arms was a great game.  
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RE:Problems with 3D Control in console games
« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2005, 10:10:20 AM »
KDR11k, would you please explain what you mean when you wrote the following in one of the above replies to my topic (found in your 7. reply to the topic, if I count correctly):

"You know who built it, you know what's in there and you know that nothing you don't want is in there (well, except for Windows' "extra functionality" like intalling random viri from the internet but Dell won't remove that either). It's really not difficult, most of the difficulty came from jumper setting and stuff back then, nowadays it's pretty much "plug everything together, power on"."

Random viri? Viruses? They put THAT into their computers? Why on Earth would they do that? Do you have personal experiences with it or is it something you heard about? I am already thinking about dropping Dell, then, and get somebody else to put a power PC together for me. No viri from birth on my PC.

Could they be placing viruses in their PC´s in order to compell people to buy anti-virus software with each PC sold?
 
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RE: Problems with 3D Control in console games
« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2005, 12:36:16 AM »
No, they don't put them into the computers directly but Windows has so many security holes that I give you ten seconds after connecting to the internet without a firewall until your computer resembles a zoo for viri. Seriously, when we were in a 72h game development competition a friend who uses only Linux usually booted into Windows the first time in months, his computer was set to DMZ (no firewall) in the router and it took no more than ten seconds until he got that "Windows has detected an error with the RPC system, the computer will shut down in 60 seconds" message. When we ran a virus scanner on his computer he had 27 (!) different viri on his system.

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« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2005, 05:38:44 AM »
Wow!

That sounds terrible.

You know what?

I think somebody should one day make a game, where the quest is to kill as many of the people who release viruses onto peoples computers through the internet and the bigger the fish you kill the more you score. They could try to put that into a Sims game. I am sure it would be popular. People must be so annoyed over those viruses! I am sure I will be once I get a computer.

Funny though, a guy once told me that some of the people who release viruses onto the internet, come from that part of the industry who produces the anti-virus software itself and that they do so in order to increase the profits made from sales of that kind of software. How mean!

But could there be any truth in that at all?




   
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RE: Problems with 3D Control in console games
« Reply #41 on: July 21, 2005, 01:40:06 PM »
"No, they don't put them into the computers directly but Windows has so many security holes that I give you ten seconds after connecting to the internet without a firewall until your computer resembles a zoo for viri. Seriously, when we were in a 72h game development competition a friend who uses only Linux usually booted into Windows the first time in months, his computer was set to DMZ (no firewall) in the router and it took no more than ten seconds until he got that "Windows has detected an error with the RPC system, the computer will shut down in 60 seconds" message. When we ran a virus scanner on his computer he had 27 (!) different viri on his system."

Now now dont lie. It his damn falt for not updating ever 2nd tuesday-wednesday of a month.
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« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2005, 04:47:18 AM »
I already said he didn't use Windows much, it was still pretty much in the state it's in the first time you connect to the net to download those patches.

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« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2005, 06:20:54 AM »
"Funny though, a guy once told me that some of the people who release viruses onto the internet, come from that part of the industry who produces the anti-virus software itself and that they do so in order to increase the profits made from sales of that kind of software. How mean!"

You know what I heard is the people write the virus are the people use linxs and bitch about windows.
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« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2005, 08:06:14 AM »
What I heard was that VXers are stupid kiddies who think it's fun to hack things and that they'll never be caught. The kind of people who would play online games and try to make the experience as miserable for everyone else as possible. The idiots that run into your artillery in BF2, that TK everyone in CS, that disconnect the moment before they lose the game (even if it's still possible to win, obviously fighting a lost war to the bitter end is boring), etc.

The other explaination was that VXers and spammers form an organized crime group, where the VXers turn computers into spambots and the spammers then use them to spam everyone. I think it's part one, part the other (script kiddies AND criminals).

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« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2005, 03:53:01 PM »
"The other explaination was that VXers and spammers form an organized crime group, where the VXers turn computers into spambots and the spammers then use them to spam everyone."

you sound like the person that murdered a Russian spammer
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