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Futur-mafa-rama Day 4: When will it end??!
« on: June 20, 2007, 10:30:10 AM »
"Oh dear. Tsk, tsk, tsk."
"What is it, professor?"
"I seem to have bent the fing-longer, and it appears as though we've voted to kill another townie. Oh my."
"Who cares? NuclearSpeed was a jerk any way."
"Yes, yes, we all know he was jerk. But oh, good news everyone! It's seems our good friend Zap Branigan has killed another brain!"
"That pompous ass?!"
"You mean the one you slept with?"
*kick*
"Ow!"
"Yes, 'ow' indeed. The gizmomiter says that this brain went by the name of oohhboy."
"WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? They are people, right?"
"Hardly, it seems we're mere characters in a game on a Nintendo forum."
"Hey, what ever happened to Zoidberg?"
"Hope he's not dead. He owes me five bucks."
"Why would you loan money to a hideously poor lobster?"
"Ohhh, he said he was good for it."
"Enough of you money troubles, Fry. It's time we tried to figure out what the brains had against blackfootsteps."
"What or who is that?"
"Er, what? What's who now?"
"Ugh, nevermind."



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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2007, 10:33:20 AM »
Un-Vote Patchkid

He's the only one left.  
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2007, 10:35:20 AM »
Uh-oh.  We've been tricked.  Only a little though.  Well, anyone who claims they are a townie is a liar.  Sir_Stabbalot, you're the only one who logged in on day 1 and still claims to be a townie.  The gigs up.  Vote Sir_Stabbalot  And to think, we trusted you, all along, too.  Anyways, I'll edit this to prove that I am in fact the investigator.  I just need to upload a picture.  If SS uploads one first, it actually came from me.  The proof?  My picture will have full updates, whereas his will only show that Vudu is a brain.


Anyways, the conclusion is that Sir_Stabbalot is the Big brain.  To solidify this, I suggest that everyone posts their own proof that they are whatever character they say they are.

The idea is that Patchkid never logged from the time of role assignments to until after the first death.  If he were the Big brain, he would have had to send in the first hit someway.  However, by not logging in, he couldn't have.  Now, the only other person claiming to be a townie that did, indeed log in on day one is Sir_Stabbalot.  He posted a clear message list on day one, so we took for granted that he was a townie, and have been working with him all along, hoping, for time's sake he had been telling us the truth.  We knew it came down to either him or NuclearSpeed, and since we were working with him, we gave him the benefit of the doubt.  Too bad, now we'll have to sit through another day...  

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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2007, 10:42:07 AM »
What on earth are you talking about? If I was mafia, wouldn't I have killed you when I learned you were the investigator? Besides, I already presented my evidence.
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2007, 10:43:03 AM »
Ok, I fixed the post, now on to business. NO POSTING PMs from me! This was against the rules a few games ago, and no one has done it since. I assumed it wouldn't be an issue. The earlier posting of a PM was ok as it did not reveal a role.
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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2007, 10:44:12 AM »
Therefore, I win by default.
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2007, 10:47:22 AM »
Well, we can't post PMs from him, but the proof is out there, and I can send anyone a PM of proof of who I am in an image.  If they like.  Anyways, since Patchkid couldn't have put forth the hit on the first day, he can't be the Big Brain.  Since the Big Brain is still alive, the only other person claiming to be a townie is Sir_Stabalot, which is why he must die before he puts the hit out on Khushrenada and gets a second Brain on his side.

For the record, I investigated Khushrenada today, anticipating that Sir_Stabbalot might be tricking us.  Khushrenada is Wornstrom, like he has claimed to be.  I checked out Vudu on day one, who was a Brain, which Khush posted on day two after hearing so.  On Night 2, I checked out oohhboy, who was also a Brain, and this time, I was able to directly contact the Vigilante, who took my advice.  Night 3, I checked Khush, to avoid not knowing who might be the double crosser.  The result was a Wornstrom reveal.

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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2007, 10:50:17 AM »
Who says he needed to login to send his orders? HE could have used MSN or something.
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2007, 10:51:02 AM »
Know what I'd like to try?  A game with no PMs.  All game discussion would have to occur in the threads.  The only exception to this rule would be for mafia members so they could discuss votes/hits.  Of course, for this to work the townies would have to outnumber the mafia by a great deal in order to level the playing field.  I think it could be an interesting game.
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2007, 10:51:49 AM »
Shut up, mafia-boy. I might still have a chance at this.
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2007, 10:56:18 AM »
Indeed I am, as I have nothing to hide.

Say, TVMan, looks like everyone's voted. Why don't we save everyone some time and go right to the con-flip?
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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2007, 11:00:22 AM »
I like the idea of a game without townie PMs, but the townies largely outnumber the mafia.  That sounds fun.

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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2007, 11:04:07 AM »
The hard thing would be to enforce that rule. The host would need mod privileges.
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2007, 11:06:52 AM »
We felt sorry for you, Stabs.  We knew you had been manipulated your fair share of times.  And what happened?  NuclearSpeed died because of you.  BlackFootSteps?  Dead, solely your fault.  Who's going to tell their families?  What happens then?  What goals were you trying to accomplish?

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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2007, 11:09:06 AM »
World domination, duh.
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2007, 11:12:31 AM »
Crap, is it too late to bring back vudu??? (I hate it when close times change without warning)

Thatguy reasoning is wrong, Patchkid doesn't need to post on day 1 to still make a hit. Lets see, since the big brain knew exactly who to kill to get rid of the doctor it pretty bad for stabby since only me/khush/stabby/thatguy had a list off all the roles....

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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2007, 11:13:41 AM »
I was under medication when I made the decision to give Patchkid the list.
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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2007, 11:15:13 AM »
Look at this!



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« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2007, 11:17:52 AM »
Well, when the President does it, that means that it is not illegal.
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« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2007, 11:29:55 AM »
Stevey, for the record, looking at logins after day one, Patchkid had not logged in since before I got my role.  In this respect, it wasn't that he didn't post, but rather that he didn't even sign on. so there's absolutely no way he could have put out a hit.

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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2007, 11:32:22 AM »
He could have used E-Mail.
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« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2007, 11:33:01 AM »
How would he have known he was the Big Brain, then?

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« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2007, 11:37:39 AM »
Magic. Or drugs. Or magic drugs.
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« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2007, 12:09:37 PM »
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The hard thing would be to enforce that rule. The host would need mod privileges.
No harder than trying to stop people from PMing screen shots of PMs from the host.  You'd just have to trust that people would follow the rules.
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« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2007, 12:22:18 PM »
Vote Sir Stabbalot
Sorry u seem like a brain.

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« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2007, 12:23:40 PM »
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Know what I'd like to try?  A game with no PMs.  All game discussion would have to occur in the threads.  The only exception to this rule would be for mafia members so they could discuss votes/hits.  Of course, for this to work the townies would have to outnumber the mafia by a great deal in order to level the playing field.  I think it could be an interesting game.
An easier solution, no doctor role.  That way if someone wants to make an alliance, they cant hide behind the doctor's protection.

Anyways, Im sorry to have to do this, nothing personal, its purely a strategical move, VOTE KHUSH I dont want to risk him falling into the hands of the enemy, it would be devestating.  Im gonna look over this all again later, if I can be convinced that we can end this tonight, I may consider changing my vote.  Until then my vote stands.
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« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2007, 12:33:04 PM »
I think we can fix this one:  TVman, when a player is revived, does he or she retain his or her role?

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« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2007, 12:40:35 PM »
*reads again*
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Magic. Or drugs. Or magic drugs.


suspicions forming. but im still keeping my vote right now.  I know its cold, but its our only guarantee of safety.

 
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« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2007, 12:43:36 PM »
lol

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« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2007, 12:46:40 PM »
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More like Sir_Backstabbalot!


Actually, if I did, this would only be the first time. So it wouldn't be "alot". Notice how every other game I've been blindly loyal. Have I ever shown the slightest hint of treachery before?
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« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2007, 12:58:17 PM »
Look, we could have avoided all of this way back when I approached you, fishing to see if you had a role, if you had just said you were the Big Brain.  Then this madness would have stopped.  You would be known as an honest president, and everyone would be happy...

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« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2007, 12:59:00 PM »
Don't worry townies. This game is over. Stabby is the final mafia member. Here's the proof.

Spak-Spang - Townie
Athrun Zala - Townie
Thatguy - Nibbler
Khushrenada - Wormstrom
Stevey - Farnsworth
Patchkid - Townie
Vudu - Brain
Stabby - Townie    ERROR
Dasmos - Townie
Oohhboy - Mafia
ShyGuy - Zap
Blackfootsteps - Zoidberg
S-U-P-E-R - Fry
Zach - Leela
18 Days - Mafia
Nuclearspeed - Mafia   Error


The mistake that was made was that Stabby was assumed to be the last townie and not Nuclearspeed. That's why TVMan didn't reveal the roles at the beginning of the day. Stating that Nuclearspeed was the last townie would have give Stabby away beyond a doubt. Here is the list of confirmed townies.


Athrun Zala
Spak-Spang
Dasmos
Patchkid15  (Patchkid logged on and then asked TVMan where his role was because he didn't have one. Thatguy saw his message before he deleted it. That's why there's a blank post by him in the Alive/Dead thread.)

Confirmed Mafia:

Vudu
18 Days
Oohhboy

Vudu and Oohhboy were both investigated by Nibbler. 18 Days missed the game, was killed and had the role revealed. Therefore, the error can only be between Stabby and Nuclearspeed.

I'm sorry about this whole thing Nuclearspeed. Unfortunately, that vote for 18 Days seemed more like a mafia member pretending to vote for one of their own to appear innocent later. It especially stood out considering it was the only vote cast for 18 Days when there were two bandwagons duking it out.

Finally, I made an error in judgement. On day 1, I become less convinced that Stevey was mafia but who to hit next? Thatguy and I were thinking about hitting Sir_Stabbalot instead. In fact, I mentioned to thatguy a convo I had with Sir_Stabbalot awhile ago. It was the Meowfia game. Stabby was mafia and I died by mafia hands at day 2. Interestingly though, Stabby posted a message to me in the dead thread stating that he was sorry I was dead and that he really respected me as a player. Because of that convo, I found it hard to believe that Stabby was so unwilling to change his vote when there was a chance I might be a townie with him. Could it be that he was mafia again and wanted me dead before I could do anything? It seems most likely now. I even told Sir_Stabby my role so that may have had more to do with him deciding to let me live since I might be recruited. Also, I took thatguy's explanation that Stabby was a townie. We were wrong. Good job, Stabby. You had us fooled. Unfortunately, the townie alliance grew too fast for you.





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« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2007, 01:06:00 PM »
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I think we can fix this one:  TVman, when a player is revived, does he or she retain his or her role?


Nope.
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« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2007, 01:12:04 PM »
Well, I suppose that's the last nail in the coffin. No sense wasting these fine people's time.

Vote Stabby and end day
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« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2007, 01:16:19 PM »
Khushrenada pretty much covers it.  I slipped up in PMs with Sir_Stabbalot, and while trying to cover my role, I asked SS to show me his PM from TVman to prove he was a townie, while attempting to pose as normal townie, myself.  He then noted that normal townies didn't get a message telling them they are townies, which, essentially meant that I had unveiled to him that I had some sort of role.

But yeah, basically, at that point, if SS had gone on what he had learned from us, his cover would have been blown.  Then, at the end of day 2, it was two late.  All but 18 Days, NuclearSpeed, Dasmos, oohhboy, and Sir_Stabbalot's roles had been revealed to Khush and I.  Then Dasmos was voted out, leaving the other four.  At this point, I checked oohhboy, and we found that he was mafia, while NuclearSpeed starting PMing me.  Eventually, he claimed to be a townie, and knowing there was only one townie left without a verified role, while there were only two players claiming to be townies, we knew we had to go after one with the vote, while we got ShyGuy to go after the confirmed Brain.  It was just out luck that 18 Days was a Brain, but 18 Days could have only been a Brain or a townie at that point, so letting him die from vote abstinence was fine by us, since it could kill a brain or it could kill the last townie, confirming who the brains were.

At this point, NS died, and Sir_Stabbalot became the only person who's story didn't line up, though we had been listening it to the longest.  I think it's pretty obvious from this thread that SS has given up and is pretty guilty through the evidence, but I guess that's left to everyone else to decide.

Edit:  Well, that's five people, over half the vote, voting for Stabby, including himself...
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« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2007, 01:29:52 PM »
One final thing. Spak was instrumental in the forming of the townie alliance. He was one of the original three of the townie allinace which was Spak, thatguy, and myself. By the end of the day, we had stevey and Stabby vote for us. That night, Spak died. I thought it was a strange hit because Spak had stood out the least that day in the alliance and it was a blow because he was my best sounding board for strategy. I thought it might have been a revenge hit. The only game that might be a revenge hit is 18 Days mafia when he was a godfather. Looking through that, the only person playing in this game that had been killed by Spak was Nuclearspeed. That was another part of the error.

Having a key member die should have been a clue that someone was lying. In some ways, it did cause me to be more careful. I had a lot more private conversations with people and didn't give away as much info in the group. For example, many people in the alliance wanted Blackfootsteps dead but I had my own suspicions about Blackfootsteps being the doctor. In fact, I had sent BFS a message outlining exactly why the doctor needed to protect me and the importance of the protection. I let others think that BFS was mafia to keep my info secret for awhile and led a charge against Dasmos instead. It paid off. The same is true with the vigilante. I had deduced that Shyguy was Zap but I waited until evening to tell him and confirm. That way, I could make sure he was on our side but people would be too busy to rushed to learn that info until the day was over. It paid off.


And like thatguy said, because we assumed we know all actual townies, when Nuclearspeed said he was a townie, it just seemed like a lie.





Finally, I appeal to Stevey to use his power and bring back Spak or Blackfootsteps to share in the win. After all, they were key members of the allinace and got screwed by Stabby. They should still get their win.
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« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2007, 01:32:13 PM »
I had a pretty good run, but couldn't quite make it to the end.

I'll make a fuller write-up later, but the main problem for me was that if I actually use the information I got from the alliance, I'd have blown my cover. Khush and thatguy did a great job reaching out and finding the major roles and townies, and Shyguy was a good shot. Also, Leela and Fry really hurt me. Not so much because of their abilities, but because they were named roles. That way there were less townies to hide among.

Ironic, I'll be the first mafia member to be voted off this game, yet the townies still win...

Good game otherwise, everyone.

EDIT: Actually Khush, it was the opposite. I hit Spak because he was talking, but you didn't seem to be interested in him. He seemed a safe choice that no one would miss.
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RE: Futur-mafa-rama Day 4: EDIT: Today, it seems.
« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2007, 01:33:13 PM »
Well, you've all found out that Stabby was the Big Brain. Good job, everyone! Kudos all around. Everyone feel free to post.

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RE: Futur-mafa-rama Day 4: EDIT: Today, it seems.
« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2007, 01:36:06 PM »
Well, I have to say the biggest help was that there were only five normal townie roles, and in the first two days, three of them died.

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« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2007, 01:37:21 PM »
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Well he is Robot Nixon after all.....

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RE:Futur-mafa-rama Day 4: EDIT: Today, it seems.
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2007, 01:42:21 PM »
I'd go for the person who had the fewest wins.
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« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2007, 01:43:51 PM »
Let's revive Sir_Stabbalot, and see what happens...

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« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2007, 01:47:09 PM »
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Let's revive Sir_Stabbalot, and see what happens...


...So you kill me then bring me back? That makes about as much sense as glow-in-the-dark stealth gear...
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RE: Futur-mafa-rama Day 4: EDIT: Today, it seems.
« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2007, 01:48:15 PM »
lol, then we can rekill him

I chose Spak-Spang. He deserve the win...
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« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2007, 01:51:59 PM »
Yeah, I felt bad about killing him on the first day.
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« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2007, 02:06:54 PM »
Whuts going on in herez???

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Whuts going on in herez???


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« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2007, 02:10:33 PM »
Wait, what? Vote Sir_Stabbalot

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Wait, what? Vote Sir_Stabbalot


We've already voted. Everyone voted for me. Even myself.
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« Reply #52 on: June 20, 2007, 02:21:49 PM »
Yay we killed the brains

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« Reply #53 on: June 20, 2007, 02:32:51 PM »
So the game isn't perfect. You don't wanna end up old and lonely like ZOIDBERG!
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« Reply #54 on: June 20, 2007, 02:33:46 PM »
Well, I learned my lesson:  Never read anything Sir_Stabbalot writes.

I think it should make things work pretty well.

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« Reply #55 on: June 20, 2007, 04:14:51 PM »
wow, I was just about to get on and change my vote to stabby, seems it was not necessary.

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« Reply #56 on: June 20, 2007, 04:30:54 PM »
Yeah, but you weren't in the mafia then...

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« Reply #57 on: June 20, 2007, 04:31:06 PM »
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Also, Leela and Fry really hurt me. Not so much because of their abilities, but because they were named roles. That way there were less townies to hide among.


ha ha, glad I contributed, even if it was not through any specific action I took. I was leela, and I was extremely careful to keep my role a secret, I knew you would never attempt a hit on me if you knew, and as long as the brains did not know who leela was, they would have to be extra cautious with their hits.

You can ask khush, I think I was probably the most difficult person to get to give up my role, I wanted to be %100 sure that khush was legit, if the mafia found out my role would be useless (Even though it would have protected me).    
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« Reply #58 on: June 20, 2007, 04:34:09 PM »
Yeah, you definitely gave us the most trouble.  You wouldn't even talk to me, really, but it really worked out that you told us who you were when you did, so we were able to finish up the count and narrow things down to the last two potential criminals.

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« Reply #59 on: June 20, 2007, 04:36:47 PM »
Oh, its not that I didnt talk to you, I always had a good feeling about the alliance (just wanted to be sure).  I just didnt have anything to contribute, i was basically a townie unless the mafia attempted a hit.

If I had known the size of your list, I might have given in earlier, I didnt realize that giving up my role helped out that much since I didnt know you could basically figure everything out by process of elimination at that point.  
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« Reply #60 on: June 20, 2007, 04:45:22 PM »
It was tough, though, since Khush and I basically knew what was going on, and Khush absolutely needed the Dr's protection, it meant that I had to be careful not to reveal that I knew too much to any one player at any time, until the end, when things had to be Stabby.  Of course, it's funny, because he ended up jammed in his own bluff:  He knew just enough to place hits on the critical players, but if he did, we'd know it was him, effectively forcing him to do nothing about anything he learned except for today's failed final standoff, where he tried to make Patchkid look like the Big Brain.

However, today turned into a "The Big Brain am winning!" type of day at the end, where, impressed by the high moral fiber that Khush and I grew in these past three days, Nixon decided to confess, and his heart grew to be eight times to large on the NWR-mafia-Grinch-Futurama mash-up, How the Nibbler Stole Our Hearts.

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RE: Futur-mafa-rama Day 4: EDIT: Today, it seems.
« Reply #61 on: June 20, 2007, 05:02:11 PM »
Like I said in the Dead Thread bandwagons only get townies killed and if I would have gone with any of the bandwagons going when I voted I would have been voting for a townie, so I took a shot in the dark which had some background, that being the fact that two prior Mafia's 18 Days has kept me from winning at the end of the game, so I thought I would throw a vote there early since the odds have been that we haven't been on the same side, and again we were not.

Guess I should have gotten back sooner to the message Khush sent me then I did.

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RE:Futur-mafa-rama Day 4: EDIT: Today, it seems.
« Reply #62 on: June 20, 2007, 05:51:33 PM »
hopping on! Vote Sir_Stabbalot

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« Reply #63 on: June 20, 2007, 05:57:27 PM »
Well, Mafia 6 was the first mafia I played. This is Mafia 16 and makes my tenth anniversay. Although, I have hosted 3 games but still, I'm glad my hope to win my tenth anniversary came to fruition. I'm also glad I was able to finally get my first townie. I've done a lot of things in this game but I've never got a townie win before. Never came close because I was always killed too early. This also makes my 3rd win. Not much. I know quite a few who have four or more. But considering the odds I often have to overcome just to live for a few days, I do alright. Still, it seems I can only win in short game spans now. Mafia 11 took five days. This took four. I need to work faster.


Anyways, it's been a record setting mafia. I think this is the first time someone has started a runaway bandwagon only to personally stop it and start another successful bandwagon while still be targetted by a rival bandwagon.

It's the first time there have been two back to back winners in the same game, Thatguy and S-U-P-E-R. 3 if you count Spak's last day resurrection. I will.

It's the shortest regular rules mafia game ever.

And I'd say it's the fastest all the roles in a game where discovered. I thought I had that record down when I finalized my list at the end of Day2/start of Day 3. But Stabby fooled me and it took the start of Day 4.

I'd say it's also the worst I've done in a mafia game voting wise. It took the last day to correctly vote out a mafia member.

It's also the second time now the mad scientist role has been used to bring someone back to just share in a win.

I'm glad to have this win with the townies though. It was nice to be ablt ot give so many people a win with me. A lot of people I've screwed over in the past too. So, hopefully this makes it up to them. Obviously, I still have to do something for Athrun Zala and Dasmos and Vudu but I'm sure that time will come. I won't get around to it tonight but most likely tomorrow, I'll post what my strategy was and field any questions people may have about how I was able to locate someone or any other things they may be curious about. If you're interested. I know Vudu asked how I got all this information so quickly after one day. I'll give some brief details on that.




Whoever said, "Cheaters never win" must've never met Khushrenada.

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« Reply #64 on: June 20, 2007, 06:10:39 PM »
And put it in the books.

Here's the official winners:
Thatguy - (Maybe now you'll change that message to whatever the deal is, trust Khushrenada

Khushrenada (Maybe now the doctor will finally take a chance on me.)

Stevey (Hope my saving you from early day one death and helping get you a win will help end the whole back-stabbing doctor issue we had.)

Shyguy (How long has it been since you've won a game? I'm guessing this is a big game for you. Congrats.)

Zach (You know this is to make up for StarFox mafia and my royaly screwing you over. Looks like I got to make it up to you after all.)

S-U-P-E-R (Back to back wins for the Ty. Will he notice or is he too busy playing Japanese dating sims. At least I made it up to him and the two early deaths I caused of his im my first two games.)

Patchkid15 (Won your first game. And all you had to do was give away what your role was. They won't always be so easy.)

Spak-Spang (And my first win with the Spak. Glad I was able to accomplish that. I've wanted to work with you for sometime and enjoyed the few consultations we had. But, you killed me when you were a godfather and I had to mention to stevey that I'd like you brought back to share in the win. I think you owe me and stevey.)




Winners in our hearts:

Athrun Zala (Sorry about that. I just thought you were do for a big game and might be mafia again. I was wrong)

Dasmos (Sorry. The vote for me seemed suspicious and we had nothing else on you to think you might be a townie. Let's do luch next time.)

Nuclearspeed (Oh man, I can't believe I let Stabby dupe me with his words of praise. Then, thinking you were mafia, I didn't want to give you any info. I really owe you one.)

Blackfootsteps (Man, you got screwed. After all the careful preperation and time it took to get you to reveal yourself, we find out there's a mole. I'd say you get a half win. You kept the townie alliance going at just the right time)



And the Next Time, Gadget crowd:

Vudu (I really shouldn't have called you out as mafia. I hated the time it was done to me. But it did help draw out the last townies.)

oohhboy (Haven't got much to say. Learned you were mafia. You were killed.)

18 Days (Really? You couldn't just log in once even if the game was being played to see what your role was? Sorry you got caught by the rules.)

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Sir_Stabbalot (Good for you. Most Improved Player. Although you really become to tied into the alliance to act. Still, you got on the investigator's good side. Too bad you couldn't influence his investigations. Fortunate you changed your vote when you did on the first day. Spak, thatguy and myself were all about to vote for you. I even sent Stevey a message saying that we should make a peace treaty and vote for you instead of each other. Then you sent that message saying I made such a logical arguement that you were changing your vote. I figured I finally reached through to you and then had to scramble to find a new target. Saved yourself and got to be a founding member of the townie alliance.)  
Whoever said, "Cheaters never win" must've never met Khushrenada.

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« Reply #65 on: June 20, 2007, 06:49:58 PM »
Nah, Khush, I still don't trust you.  I do have faith in you trying to maintain as much integrity as possible, though.  But I think what got to me about Sir_Stabbalot was that he was so convicted in who he thought was mafia last time, and he was able to turn a few heads, and people listened.

Anyways, partway through day 2, I began to suspect Sir_Stabbalot a little.  You see, as a 'townie' I decided he was more dispensable than I was.  So, I came up with the idea that he could reveal himself with a small clip from my private messages that showed TVman telling me who Vudu was, in hopes of finding out more of who was who without risking revealing myself to any brain (yah, I know now, too late |-K), but his first target to find this bit out from was ShyGuy, someone who said he had a role, but had not yet let anyone know what it was.  His suggestion was that I investigate him, so that way, he would know we were telling the truth, and I saw that as a waste of a night for me.  Anyways, Sir_Stabbalot made absolutely no progress, whereas Khush kept telling me that he could tell ShyGuy was getting closer and closer to revealing himself.

In a final act, I told ShyGuy that I thought he shouldn't vote Patchkid from what I had seen earlier that day.  He listened to me, and said that if the Vigilante got caught through the night, we should vote Khush, another sign that he was listening to Khush, a good thing.  Now, at this point, we reached night, and I asked him to pass along a message to the vigilante, to go for oohhboy.  He said he would, and basically, using hypothetical speak, ShyGuy and I revealed ourselves to each other about the same time ShyGuy revealed himself to Khush, maybe a minute later, but anyways, it was before I got the message from Khush about him being certain he was Zap.

At this point, I realized that ShyGuy was dying to learn who the Investigator was, and that the fake evidence we had worked for Sir_Stabbalot must not have been used, or SS had not reported the results back to me.  Then, day 3 came, where NuclearSpeed told me he was a townie, so I began telling a few people the back-up plan to use, in case we had been lied to all along, though I figured it wasn't too important, because at that point, there was only the Big Brain un-accounted for, and only two people it could be.

All-in-all, I think what Sir_Stabbalot should have tried to do was tell Kushrenada who he was, and try convince him to join their side, killing me the first night.  In this case, Stevey would be the only player to have any sort of idea about this, since I contacted him in time to save him from the first day's vote.

I do have to apologize to all the players who died from votes.  We got all the votes wrong, all the time, except for the last.  Our plan, or my plan specifically, was to shift as many votes as possible as soon as I knew if a player being voted for is innocent.  Through this, we saved Khushrenada and Stevey on day one, then saved Patchkid on day 2.  Patchkid himself was crucial to our save, solely because of that mistake he made.  If it wasn't for that, Dasmos wouldn't have been revealed as a townie, and I would have used my chance to investigate on him.  In the end, since there were so few townies left, I would have put voting pressure towards Dasmos on day 3, and waited to check out oohhboy until the day later.

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« Reply #66 on: June 20, 2007, 09:07:57 PM »
I think this may be the first game I survived. At least the first game where I survived and was an active participant in the win. In my favorite role too! the Vigilante.

Khush played the game very well.

Too bad 18days was AFK, I think it would have been more of a challenge with him playing.

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Blackfootsteps (Man, you got screwed. After all the careful preperation and time it took to get you to reveal yourself, we find out there's a mole. I'd say you get a half win. You kept the townie alliance going at just the right time)
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Nah don't worry Khush, really Stabby had no choice but to go after me. He couldn't hit Fry or Leela, the investigator was no threat because of his Big Brain immunity and he would have hoped that Zap would kill the a townie by mistake. So that only left you and me, and Stabby had to kill me to get to you. Good game all around.

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« Reply #68 on: June 20, 2007, 09:35:54 PM »
I do have to say, this game definitely shows it's good to hold off on killing the good players right away.  All I ever hear about is how Khush is killed right away, but fortunately, BFS, you helped save the game trusting him on day 2.

It also worked out that Khush was just waiting for a game he could use as a trust-builder.  One where he wouldn't have to resort to trickery or backstabbing to win, and luckily, I think most of us realized this pretty quickly.  We all knew Khush was sick of being hit with the first or second kill, but boy, when I agreed to trade roles with him, I have to say, I know he had the right role for this type of game to happen, as Wornstrom.  As the investigator, though, it's definitely felt like a punch in the gut to know that whatever I learned could be turned around in one night, but it was a necessary risk for this game.

Also, in this particular game, every bandwagon vote had a real purpose, and happened for a reason, rather than the "I don't like/trust this person" bandwagons I've seen.  I hate that they all of you who were voted ended up as townies, but let it be said that on days 1 and 2, it was done specifically to save the people who were confirmed townies.

Oh, and for the record:  Mafia, don't just vote for new/inactive players for the sake of a cover.  It doesn't work very well, IMO.

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« Reply #69 on: June 21, 2007, 02:48:32 AM »
Khush:  Thanks for the kind words, but truth is you were the one most instrumental in the alliance.

Early on you taught me how to play Mafia...and therefore I took a risk to follow your lead and trust you.  
I was just one voice that you knew you could count on in day one.  And you knew I was 100% townie because I was confused about not getting a role.

I still don't know how you do...finding so much information out about everyone in a day or two.  Specially since I hardly talk to anyone if I have a role, I would assume most people do that as well...so I don't know what your secret is but it can be scary.


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« Reply #70 on: June 21, 2007, 02:52:09 AM »
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And you knew I was 100% townie because I was confused about not getting a role.


Same as me i posted I didnt get a role and thatguy and khush saw it. So they knew my role on day 2.

Overall the game was fun for my first mafia game and Khush were there really 16 mafia games on these forums


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Zach (You know this is to make up for StarFox mafia and my royaly screwing you over. Looks like I got to make it up to you after all.)
Heh, thanks I guess.  Dont relax though, if the opportunity for a splendid revenge arises, I still might be tempted .

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Be careful Patchkid, this wont always work.  It worked out for you this time, but I found out the hard way in my first game that you cannot be too careful who you trust. Especially Khushrenada

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Vudu (I really shouldn't have called you out as mafia. I hated the time it was done to me. But it did help draw out the last townies.)
I hope your not talking about me here.  You seemed to enjoy it very much when I called you out (or at least you managed to turn it around very skillfully.)

Anyway, congrats khush, You are a mafia GOD!  The next host might think twice before creating a doctor role, so as to not allow somebody to be so blatantly creating an alliance.  In which case you would be royally screwed.  You may have obliterated the mafia in this game, but now you are a priority hit for the mafia in future games (If I am ever a godfather again, my first move would definately involve you)  
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Be careful Patchkid, this wont always work.  It worked out for you this time, but I found out the hard way in my first game that you cannot be too careful who you trust. Especially Khushrenada


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Patchkid15 (Won your first game. And all you had to do was give away what your role was. They won't always be so easy.
Be careful Patchkid, this wont always work.  It worked out for you this time, but I found out the hard way in my first game that you cannot be too careful who you trust. Especially Khushrenada
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-If u are with the mafia with Khush trust Khush
-If you are with the townspeople with khush trust Khush
-If you are with the townspeople with khush, first assume that khush is lieing to you.  That really goes for anybody who tries to give you their role or any other information.  This was a very unique game, but in the future Never assume you are being told the truth!!!!!  

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« Reply #74 on: June 21, 2007, 11:45:01 AM »
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RE:Futur-mafa-rama Day 4: EDIT: Today, it seems.
« Reply #75 on: June 21, 2007, 05:17:10 PM »
Wow, so much to comment on. Let me start by thanking everyone for their expressions of respect. I know a lot of players have found my gameplay unique/crazy/interesting/exciting to watch but I always try my best to prove myself each game and live up to expectations. Sometimes I focus more on the failures. I'm still kicking myself over the Nuclearspeed/Stabby confusion. But, it's nice to hear so that I can hopefully use it another game. I actually don't like to post on a first day and say protect me I'm the best player or don't vote for me, I'm too valuable if I'm on your side. There are quite a few good players in this game and there are a lot that deserve respect as good players also. But sometimes I have to use that reasoning.

So, now let me address those who have posted:



Thatguy:

I knew you were doing something with Stabby to protect yourself but I wiah I had no known more. I really didn't communicate with Stabby as much as I did with others like Spak, ShyGuy, and Blackfootsteps. It probably was for the best though. When I had correctly deduced Shyguy as Zap, he sent me a message asking for info to prove Vudu was mafia. Since I knew you were doing something with Stabby to protect your identity, I told him to ask Stabby. Then, I thought about that for a moment and realized that the whole point of the townie alliance was trust. We wanted people to reveal their roles and trust us. Therefore, we should trust them also. And since Shyguy had pretty much confirmed himself as the vigilante, I just sent him a message saying the roles of the alliance and that we had investigated and confirmed Vudu as mafia.

I never heard about the back-up plan. If I knew there was doubt about Nuclearspeed, I would have tried to talk to him. The other problem with Nuclearspeed was that he sent me a message asking if I knew the doctor was going to protect me that night. I didn't know how to respond to that and the last thing I wanted to do was endanger Blackfootsteps or say the wrong thing. BFS said he had never spoken to Nuclearspeed so I thought he must be going after someone else. Therefore, I just quickly cut communication with him and started the vote. It just seemed so suspicious like a mafia godfather frustrated with a failed hit.

I'll comment more on the stabby point in my strategy post. One thing I was going to mention in the dead thread then stopped because I realized it was too much information was that Athrun was complaining about his death. I was going to say something along the lines like, at least it was just a townie role and not an actual name role. But then I realized that could endager Stevey and changed it to something else. The same goes for Day 2. People wanted BFS to go but I stuck with Dasmos. Again, a name role was saved while just a townie role was lost. Really, every name role that was saved made the alliance more powerful. We almost made it the whole game without losing one name role. Just Ziodberg didn't make it.



ShyGuy:

Are you referring to your blackmailed killer role?  Yes, if the whole strength of the mafia had been playing things would most likely have been different. Really, we only facing a two man mafia for the most part. Then when we exposed Vudu on the second day, it was pretty much a one man mafia. There were a lot of circumstances that just went right for the townies. It will be some time before we see something like this again I think.



Thatguy 2:

That's the problem with being a good player. The weaker players target you because you're good and the good players target you because you're a threat. I won't go into further detail about my thoughts in this matter since it might make me a further target but I have mentioned in the past how I choose my targets.

I wasn't really waiting for a game to build trust with other players. Just one where people took a chance on me. People don't seem to realize, if I'm on you're side, you can trust me. I was just waiting for a game where I could live a few days and get a win. I haven't had a win since Mafia 11. I've never even had the chance to go far. I've hated games where I've done a fair bit of work for the win but die and can't claim victory. Frankly, you showed more trust than me. I had nothing to lose sharing my role. You did because of the consequences of my role.

Commented on the bandwagons, will talk about new players later.




Spak:

Actually, this I'll comment on later also.



Patchkid15:

(I'll just comment on all you postings.)

Yes, this was Mafia 16. TVMan just decided not use the number with it. This is why when I host, I send people a message even if they are just a townie. Less confusion that way.

To sum up your advice, I'd say Just Trust Me. Also, even when I'm mafia, I've often been quite nice to the townies. I've helped worked hard to root out another mafia if there is one, or provide advice or see to it that some live over others. Really, I'm a nice guy.



Zach

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What? C'mon. Where's the love? I've always liked you and try to keep you around.

Now this I can't remember. What did I do to you your first game?

Yeah, I'm talking about you. When you did that, I just sick. I had made back-up plans to have myself killed by Decoyman to make him look innocent. At the same time, I was counting the days and numbers. When you pulled that move, I looked at it and said, man, that is one logical arguement. I'm screwed. So, I sat there thinking about how sad it was that things were going to be undone to soon and that I had made you a low priority target. Of course, genius and inspiration soon came to me and I was able to figure out a way to ruin your arguement. But it was hard work and for a result that might not come. It came down to a coin toss. It was just luck. Had that coin gone the other way, I think victory would have been much tougher. Even just trying to get people to vote with me, that took effort. It was only fun once it was tied and I won. But up to that point it was just a fight for life.


The doctor role isn't a problem. I'll comment on that in awhile. I'm also not sure I will be a first hit all the time. Quite a lot of players who have played before weren't around this game. Plus, there's always the danger I'll have protection now and that the hit will be a waste.


I don't know. I trust people all the time. When I get start to get suspicious of someone is when I create trouble and paranoia for myself. But, there are a lot of circumstances where I know I can trust a person. And there are some where I know to keep a healthy dose of skepticisim.


 
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« Reply #76 on: June 21, 2007, 06:16:57 PM »
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I wasn't really waiting for a game to build trust with other players. Just one where people took a chance on me. People don't seem to realize, if I'm on you're side, you can trust me. I was just waiting for a game where I could live a few days and get a win. I haven't had a win since Mafia 11. I've never even had the chance to go far. I've hated games where I've done a fair bit of work for the win but die and can't claim victory. Frankly, you showed more trust than me. I had nothing to lose sharing my role. You did because of the consequences of my role.


You really were wise to head to me first, or at least, in your first wave.  Like I said at the beginning, before we really started, I saw you in the Wornstrom role.  I was almost certain you'd wind up with it this game.  I don't know if TVman secretly hand-picked some roles, or what, but I had played out a few scenarios in my mind about what could happen with a connection like the one we made, and I think it worked out that you and I were on the same page:  Identify and save every townie role, using your role as both a hub, and as something to keep you honest for the entire game.  See, I knew that if we found just one or two other townie roles, and you 'defected,' that you would die the very next die from votes, and I know you knew it too.  Although this is the route I had figured on, I still wasn't entirely sure if we could find other townie roles fast enough before you would get hit.  In the end, I decided that even if you wound up in the mafia, I could still put up a convincing enough argument without any bonds with other players, since they were already looking to vote you out.  Not only that, but I knew that would be able to reveal myself in that situation, and appeal to the Dr. to protect me, since it would be certain the mafia would know who I was at that point.

Anyways, things worked out, and we both had the same game plan, for the most part.  While you could throw your role around and garner trust because everyone knew you didn't want to die, I would do some lesser scoping, for the safety of having investigations, and also, I spent most of my time pondering who to investigate (2/2 woo!!).  Essentially, I was right, the number of letters in oohhboy's name can't be trusted, plain and simple.

For that bit, I formed did my best to form a list of players who seemed to always play suspiciously.  Essentially, the list was Vudu, Dasmos, BlackFootsteps, oohhboy, and 18 Days.  Not that I don't think everyone plays well, it was basically that I would have a hard time determining whether or not these players were townies, and if I thought they were townies, I thought that these people would be the toughest to get a role out of.  If I had to go on, I'd probably add Zach and S-U-P-E-R, at least initially.

Anyways, Vudu was first, and successful.  I feel bad for him, in that respect.  It would have been much better to have found 18 Days at this point, just for fairness.  On the next day, I wanted to vote BFS, because he seemed to be pressing me to find out who had particular jobs.  Luckily, everyone else disagreed, but unfortunately for Dasmos, he was a townie caught in the line of fire.  Still, two down, three to go for me.  At this point, we were approaching night two, when BFS had basically revealed himself to Khush, so I moved on, to oohhboy.  After that, we knew who all the role townies were, with 18 Days, oohhboy, and NuclearSpeed seemingly brains, and we all know what happened at that point.

Khush, do you have the first PM's you and I sent this game?  I went through a couple hundred, I think, and ended up deleting those.  I wanted to reread them, so if you do have them, do me a favor and send them back to me.

Edit:  And yeah, I think it was a bit unfair for the Brains on this one.  Perhaps we should start it over, and let everyone have their starting roles back.  We could try to play this thing out again.  Vote Sir_Stabbalot

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« Reply #77 on: June 21, 2007, 06:19:18 PM »
Comments on the game.


I think TVMan had a good game planned. But I will point out some things that might be useful for any future games he hosts. First of all, make sure the sides are balanced. When you look at it, there were 16 players, 4 were mafia. So, a quarter of the players were mafia. So to give the townies an edge, you gave them quite a few roles. The problem was, the abilities of the roles may been too powerful. Consider, going under the assumption that the mafia never loses a member, the soonest the game can be won is 4 days. Not bad. But that means Fry must survive, Leela can't be hit, the doctor never protects a target, the vigilante never kills them or a townie, and the mad scientist doesn't use his ability. Of course, there is the Wormstrom possibility but I'm not going to get into that. So, chances are, that the mafia will lose some members. Each member lost makes it harder to win the game. Especially with so many powerful townie roles. The mafia could only hope that Leela and Fry get voted out since they couldn't really hit them. They had no protection against those roles. The mafia had to try and locate Wormstrom but the only way to most likely have done that was by a lucky hit. They had no way to investigate. The investigator has a 9/15 chance of locating someone with a role at the start of the game. That number also fluctuates. Moreover, the godfather's ability to pose as a townie is limited because only 5 people are townies. The townies are quite powerful especially if even a couple worked together. The mafia has no counter for this except their numbers.

So, my advice is to be concious of the number of roles you give out and the number of townies. Often, I wait before revealing roles until an amount of players has joined that will support the roles. I also try to have at least half the roles or just under as townies. And I try to give each side a bit of an edge. So, there is usually a counter for every ability. Not all but most.

So, that is the best thing to remember for most games. One thing that you have to be aware of also is how a role can be abused. When I read about the Wormstrom role and realized what I had been given, I most likely played it in a way you did not expect. So, when I use or create a role, I try to think of any way I could abuse that role or break the game with it. Ever since the double protection in mafia 5, I always try to examine my roles. If I find something that could be done, I make a new rule or revise it. Even then, roles have been used different then I thought once in awhile but on the whole, the game ends up quite fair.

The final thing is something you couldn't do much about. Player turn-out. Sadly, not many were able to join. In such a case, you may have to cut a role. I've had to do that in the past. I didn't like it but what can you do? The numbers just won't support the roles.


Lastly, rules. I don't like killing a player due to inactivity either. I always want players to have the chance to play and not have their actions decided by the host. Because of this, if you post a rule, you have to live by it. As a host, you know the roles and can see how things are being played in the game. It can be easy to root for people and tempting to help them out. But you must remain impartial. You're chance to influence the game was with your rules and if you have them posted, you have to follow them. Even if people aren't happy with a rule, they can't argue that you're deciding the game. The rule was always posted. But, if you don't follow your own rules, then people can call into question the fairness of the game.

You did stick to the rule so I'm not calling that into question. But, if you are aware of a situation that is about to arise, then you may want to comment on it. For instance, if someone was approaching the deadline for not voting, I'll post at the beginning of the day, people who need to vote or will die. That's all you can do. Just keep reminding people of the rules.
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« Reply #78 on: June 21, 2007, 06:25:35 PM »
No, I ended up deleting a lot of the correspondence between us. As we kept refining our info, I started deleting old messages since we had the most correspondence between each other and they didn't seem neccesary anymore. What is it you're looking for? I may remember it.
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« Reply #79 on: June 21, 2007, 06:30:13 PM »
Just the first three or four.  The few where we basically revealed ourselves.  The start of the jumbo-alliance.

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« Reply #80 on: June 21, 2007, 06:35:59 PM »
Oh, it was something along the lines of me asking if you wanted to work with me. I promised to reveal my role if you revealed yours. Then you sent something back about how you've heard stories about me already and should just vote me off now but it must be my lucky day since you will agree to the swap. I send you my role and reveal that I don't have to worry about death from mafia on day 1. Also, I can work with either mafia or townie since I have the potential to win with one or the other. You write back saying that it doesn't surprise you. You expected me to get the role and that it suits what you've heard about me. You then reveal you are the investigator. I can't believe that I found the investigator before the game has begun and we start to talk about people to investigate.

Nothing specific but that's how I remember the details.
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« Reply #81 on: June 21, 2007, 06:37:24 PM »
Yeah, alright, that was how I remembered them, too.

I have to ask TVman:  How did you decide the roles for this particular game?

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« Reply #82 on: June 21, 2007, 06:46:19 PM »
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One thing I was going to mention in the dead thread then stopped because I realized it was too much information was that Athrun was complaining about his death.
actually, I was complaining about bandwagons in general rather than MY death...

(there are more things to comment, but that'll be later...)
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« Reply #83 on: June 21, 2007, 07:27:37 PM »
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Zach

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What? C'mon. Where's the love? I've always liked you and try to keep you around.

Aww thanks.  Dont get me wrong, the love is there, but I do have to admit that ever since then their has been a little bit of friendly rivalry.  I wouldnt just kill you out of spite.  But if a truly fitting situation came up (in other words, one that would be as much fun as the SF mafia was).  I would be lying if evil thoughts wouldnt cross my mind.

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Now this I can't remember. What did I do to you your first game?

sorry, guess I wasnt clear.  It had nothing to do with you, I was just using you as an example.  In my first game I didnt really know what was going on, and I was betrayed by mafia.  I have to admit, it was pretty embarassing.

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Yeah, I'm talking about you. When you did that, I just sick. I had made back-up plans to have myself killed by Decoyman to make him look innocent. At the same time, I was counting the days and numbers. When you pulled that move, I looked at it and said, man, that is one logical arguement. I'm screwed. So, I sat there thinking about how sad it was that things were going to be undone to soon and that I had made you a low priority target. Of course, genius and inspiration soon came to me and I was able to figure out a way to ruin your arguement. But it was hard work and for a result that might not come. It came down to a coin toss. It was just luck. Had that coin gone the other way, I think victory would have been much tougher. Even just trying to get people to vote with me, that took effort. It was only fun once it was tied and I won. But up to that point it was just a fight for life.

Well im glad I did a good job of screwing you up.  You just came up with this elaborate story that I could not fight against.  All I had was "I investigated him, he was guilty" it turned out to be the truth, but it was not as dazzling as your lie.  It was fun anyway.  I have to admit I had a good laugh.


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The doctor role isn't a problem. I'll comment on that in awhile. I'm also not sure I will be a first hit all the time. Quite a lot of players who have played before weren't around this game. Plus, there's always the danger I'll have protection now and that the hit will be a waste.

I would like to see your reasoning on this, if your gonna pm everybody starting an alliance, that makes you an instant target.  The only way to do something like what you did  (and not be killed instantly) is to have protection.  Without a doctor role, you would have to be a lot more sneaky about forming an alliance.


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I don't know. I trust people all the time. When I get start to get suspicious of someone is when I create trouble and paranoia for myself. But, there are a lot of circumstances where I know I can trust a person. And there are some where I know to keep a healthy dose of skepticisim.

I guess we just have different strategies, I may trust someone to an extent, but  I make sure to never give my role without being fairly confident that the person I am giving it too is really on my side.  especially if I have an important role that makes me a target, or like in this game where leela is pretty much just a trap for the mafia to fall into.  If the mafia had realized I was leela, my role would be null.

I was kinda weary of you.  I kinda thought that wornstrom would be a logical choice of a role for you to give if you were mafia.  Its not a *good* role, so nobody would believe that you would lie and say you were wornstrom, but they would still trust you because at the moment you were on their side.  I almost told you that I was wornstrom, since part of me wanted the mafia to attempt a hit.

All the stuff about not trusting you? dont worry about it, friendly ribbing.  I just know how well you can influence people in this game, so I make a note to be very careful about what you say.

 
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RE:Futur-mafa-rama Day 4: EDIT: Today, it seems.
« Reply #84 on: June 22, 2007, 06:56:56 AM »
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Yeah, alright, that was how I remembered them, too.

I have to ask TVman:  How did you decide the roles for this particular game?


Well, I wasn't playing favorites, if that's what you're implying.
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