Topic: Resident Evil 5 is the greatest thing ever.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Resident Evil 5 is to the RE series what Quake 3 was to the Quake series. Bye Bye decent single player.

That is a good example. I think of Quake 3 as a spinoff, and Quake 4 to be the true Quake 3. It is like they wanted to build off the name of the main series for something that is almost totally unrelated. Which is sad if you are a fan of the mechanics of what made a series good to you. The main series RE games are so few and far between that it does sadden me a bit to find out the next one is co-op shooter/ survival horror hybrid. Though I guess I can be thankful I'm not building zombie vehicles of doom!

[Dirk Temporo]

One thing I liked about the RE games was the sense of partial isolation but with a partner running around para ell to you, you lose that. It turns the game into more of a shooter.

I don't know if you noticed or not, but RE4 was an action horror game. RE5 is RE4 with a partner who is actually mildly useful. The gameplay mechanics are identical, so to consider RE4 a "true" RE game when you don't consider RE5 one is stupid.

[GoldenPhoenix]

One thing I liked about the RE games was the sense of partial isolation but with a partner running around para ell to you, you lose that. It turns the game into more of a shooter.

I don't know if you noticed or not, but RE4 was an action horror game. RE5 is RE4 with a partner who is actually mildly useful. The gameplay mechanics are identical, so to consider RE4 a "true" RE game when you don't consider RE5 one is stupid.

You are a classy individual, you know that? Do you have to insult people in each of your posts? I think I explained myself pretty well, if you want to call me stupid still, well, I really do not care.

[NWR_pap64]

Ironically, many fans see RE4 as the spin-off title due to how different the game engine is to the older games.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Ironically, many fans see RE4 as the spin-off title due to how different the game engine is to the older games.

I can see that as well. At least it still had the partial isolation part in tact so you still felt vulnerable.

[KnowsNothing]

I think the point is that RE4, while wandering a bit from the the well worn path followed by every other main RE game, still maintained some level of tradition in the series.  RE5 takes every one of those non-traditional aspects and brings them even further from the standard formula. 

As a mediocre analogy, think of the Metroid Prime series.  The first game was clearly radically different from the previous Metroid games, yet the game remained true to the "Metroid Experience" in many ways.  The "spirit" of Metroid was still there, if you will.  However some people still complained about it being a "first person shooter."  Then Metroid Prime Hunters came out and took those differences the Prime series had from the previous game and multiplied them.  Due to the system it was on, it now controlled like a FPS, and now there were other competing bounty hunters in the game.  Then MP3 came out and maintained the FPS control scheme while adding even MORE characters, like the soldiers and whatnot.  Every step the series took wasn't radically different from the game before it, but then all of a sudden you compare MP3 to Super Metroid and there are some huge differences.  Of course, most people didn't mind the differences, but you get the point.  The game changed in relatively minor ways with each iteration until the most recent game is drastically different from the first.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is that all of the things in RE4 that made it more of an action shooter are now even more prevalent.  So while RE4 still had the "spirit" of the old games, RE5 does not.  Of course, a lot of people blame the environment for a lot of those feelings which just isn't a strong argument, seeing how this is only a two level demo.

Anyway, I haven't played any RE game BUT 4, including this demo.  So I should go now.

[Dirk Temporo]

You are a classy individual, you know that?

The embodiment of high culture and sophistication.

You make  a point, I make a counterpoint that the two games are identical except one has a useful partner instead of a useless one, and then you build a straw man out of a single word in my post and don't make any further points. So yeah, you're still stupid, "sophiagirlgamer". (so i herd u liek straw men)

[GoldenPhoenix]

You are a classy individual, you know that?

The embodiment of high culture and sophistication.

You make  a point, I make a counterpoint that the two games are identical except one has a useful partner instead of a useless one, and then you build a straw man out of a single word in my post and don't make any further points. So yeah, you're still stupid, "sophiagirlgamer". (so i herd u liek straw men)

You're so cute.

Not even sure why I bothered even giving any kind of response, but let me be as direct as possible. The main RE series has always been about single player and being isolated most of the time (besides a few segments). Yeah RE4 was a change for the series but it kept many of the core things that gave the game atmosphere (being alone the majority of the time in a scary world), with a partner either AI or otherwise that changes the whole point of the series. You will no longer feel alone and yes that means tension and apprehension will be lessened quite dramatically.  Let's not forget the fact that if the AI is faulty in single player, it is going to be one LONG painful experience. Instead of a couple escort missions it is going to be one LONG escort mission.

[KnowsNothing]

Recognition of one's fault does not absolve you from it.  Especially on the internet.

Although putting it in the form of the DAWG meme was quite clever.

[NWR_pap64]

I sense awkward love between Dirk and Golden .

[GoldenPhoenix]

Recognition of one's fault does not absolve you from it.  Especially on the internet.

Although putting it in the form of the DAWG meme was quite clever.

Sorry I'm too stupid, and do not understand your second sentence.

[Pale]

Consider you both warned. Dirk, don't throw insults around. GP, try to ignore rule breakers instead of feeding the situation and making it worse.

[Spak-Spang]

Dirk:  I think you made a valid point...but your words  were harsh. 

And it was completely uncalled for the second post.  I actually don't agree with GP, my feelings are that if a developer puts the official number in a game AND the story constitutes as CANNON for the franchise then it is a proper sequel.  Both Resident Evil 4 and Resident Evil 5 fit those requirements for me.  I am recognizing that the franchise has evolved and in doing so its direction has changed from the traditional "puzzle survival horror" game to a more "action survival horror" game.  Resident Evil 5 continues that evolution by taking the isolation away and allowing you to have a partner. 

GP's point is fairly clear, by switching the emphasis and then adding a partner the game feels less like a Resident Evil game.  Thus in her opinion it is more like a spinoff.  She has a specific image of what a Resident Evil game is...and show feel like, and Resident Evil 5 does not capture that feel.  Her opinion is completely valid and you can agree with it or not, without having to throw insults at someone.

As I said, I disagree with her stance, but that is just me.

[Flames_of_chaos]

Actually in Resident Evil games you always had a squad but they were basically singled out so you never really got a lot of help except RE0 hell I think RE0 does Co-op a hell of a lot better than RE5 does. RE0,RE4,RE5 have you tethered to another character constantly while in every other Resident Evil game the whole team gets split up for the most part.

My main pet peeve is Sheva's AI sucks and when I played the demo it felt like a chore to keep up with Sheva while she get's stuck with enemies.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Actually in Resident Evil games you always had a squad but they were basically singled out so you never really got a lot of help except RE0 hell I think RE0 does Co-op a hell of a lot better than RE5 does. RE0,RE4,RE5 have you tethered to another character constantly while in every other Resident Evil game the whole team gets split up for the most part.

My main pet peeve is Sheva's AI sucks and when I played the demo it felt like a chore to keep up with Sheva while she get's stuck with enemies.

Yeah I forgot about RE0. Though like you said it still has a ton of isolation, we'll see if RE5 does it as well.

[ShyGuy]

I personally found Shiva more of a distraction than Ashley. First, the actual parts where you were side by side with Ashley vs. the zombiez was few and far between. She was either kidnapped or hiding through most of the game.
Second, Shiva may be more helpful but she also distracts the player and makes things harder by needing help more often and tracking the inventory back and forth. When I have blood crazed zombies after me, last thing I need is another distraction.

[WuTangTurtle]

I kind of agree with KnowsNothing, RE4/RE5 both have some pretty extensive changes from the series.  For the most part the series has taken you through a mansion, train, and raccoon city (all relatively small in scope and all with a pretty straight forward horror movie like plot) then you get RE4:  village in spain, castles, underground caves, etc with a plot being the president's daughter has been kidnapped in spain by a possible terrorist organization......if that doesn't smell spin off i don't know what does.  However, story aside the game was vastly improved upon while keeping a lot of the spirit of the series.

That being said I loved RE4, probably my favorite game last gen but I hated the story.  The jetski ending reminded me of some crappy horror movie that i can't remember the name of now......something about thieves wanting to rob a cruise ship only to find all of the passengers dead.  They ended up riding jetskis out to some island then all of a sudden you hear like a dinosaur scream...lame.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Didn't RE: CV take you to a bunch of different locations (been awhile since I've played it).

[bustin98]

RE5 is a vehicle Capcom is using to hop on the Co-op train. I do not think there are going to be escort missions because they won't really translate well when two people are playing together. Shiva answers the question of how is there another player when other games that allow co-op don't acknowledge the mechanic during the story points.

[GoldenPhoenix]

RE5 is a vehicle Capcom is using to hop on the Co-op train. I do not think there are going to be escort missions because they won't really translate well when two people are playing together. Shiva answers the question of how is there another player when other games that allow co-op don't acknowledge the mechanic during the story points.

I think that is my fundamental point about the RE main series being about partial isolation, yeah there are others "around" but you are still alone the vast majority of time. Now it will most likely eliminate any sense of isolation and fear with a partner being played by someone else.

[Halbred]

Just played the demo last night with a friend. The gameplay is exactly like RE4, although the item/weapon menu is pretty much FAIL. In RE4, the action paused while I switched from my handgun to my shotgun. Here, I get OWNED while switching weapons, which sucks.

I really like the multiplayer component. Adds tension to the experience, and working as a team is pretty awesome. The game would work much better but for two big problems:

1) Still no moving and shooting. This is disappointing given the increase in enemies and the fact that we all just finished the Wii version of RE4, where movement wasn't necessary--you just point and shoot. Analog aiming is much slower and demands precision that almost requires simultaneous movement to obtain. At least give me some left/right movement.
There's actually no reason why you can't aim (hold L1), aim (right stick), and move freely through the environment (left stick) all at the same time. I should be able to freely run 'n' gun. Otherwise, fewer enemies, please.

2) The menu system. It needs to go back to the RE4 "Diablo" settup.

I think the game looks great and plays exactly like RE4. Most of the enemy and character movements are exactly the same. I like it, but it'll take some serious getting-used-to after RE4: Wii Edition.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Perception is an interesting thing, I thought it felt like RE4: Multiplayer edition.

[Flames_of_chaos]

Did you guys see how local co-op looks like?

[Maverick]

Yeah, I saw it first hand.  Fucking ridiculous.

I thought it didn't get any worse than Halo 3 co-op, but they found a way.

[bustin98]

Yes, the co-op screens are horrendous. Its probably the sacrifice they had to make to keep the graphics up to par.

Halbred, do you know that you can switch weapons with the d-pad? In fact, the pop-up screen kinda mimics the d-pad. If placed in the right spot, you can have Chris run around with a box of ammo in his hand. Yeah, its as fun as it sounds. The most use I made of the storage is giving ammo to the other character. Which is a pain because you have to be right next to him/her. But it makes sense, doesn't it?