Topic: New 3DS Titles to Be Announced Next Week?

[Mop it up]

However, and maybe Capcom forced their hand, at this point, the best course of action would be to full on adopt the thing and get a revision out asap.

I don't agree with that assessment. From what it looks like, CapCom is the only one who wanted the second slide pad, and Nintendo won't be using it. If they wanted it, they would have included it in the system to begin with. Therefore, I think Nintendo should leave the attachment as a peripheral for Monster Hunter 3G rather than create a whole new system for it. Really, there's no reason for it, and CapCom's just being lazy for not creating a control scheme that works on the 3DS. Nintendo shouldn't encourage that. We'll know soon enough, as I expect this stuff to be revealed at TGS. Hopefully, if it does become a new standard, it will be like the PlayStation where only one or two games required an analogue controller.

I also think it's interesting how you alluded to the PS1 being a sturdier system than current systems. It had a pretty high rate of failure, and is known for being a pretty flimsy system. Myself, I own five of them, two of which are completely broken and another two which have some issues.

[Chozo Ghost]

Really, there's no reason for it, and CapCom's just being lazy for not creating a control scheme that works on the 3DS. Nintendo shouldn't encourage that.

Nintendo doesn't have a monopoly in handhelds anymore. So Nintendo shouldn't listen to what third parties want and encourage them to develop for it? In the days of the Gameboy that would work, but now Capcom and other third parties can just take their business over to Vita if Nintendo refuses to play ball.

[Adrock]

Vita isn't even the real threat here. As much as people are claiming its superiority, I still don't think a $250 handheld can sell. Nintendo couldn't pull it off so I sure as hell doubt Sony can. I'm also not convinced that Sony won't port over Vita games to PS3/PS4. Sony has given me every reason not to buy Vita and I LOVE buying new hardware. Alternatively, Nintendo has given me every reason to stay interested in 3DS. I can't get those games anywhere else. If Nintendo released a Wii version of Ocarina of Time 3D (without the 3D, whatever), I would have bought the Wii version.

Nintendo is paying for their lack of vision now. 3DS lacks quality software (the entire point of buying hardware) and now they're forced to acquiesce to 3rd parties who want the extra functionality. However, I'm curious how many of them asked for the right slide pad when Nintendo showed them prototypes or if Nintendo ignored them anyway.

Nintendo isn't in the same position of ultimate power in the handheld space anymore. While iOS/Android games offer a difference experience and don't compete directly, Nintendo should be playing on the main strength of dedicated handheld gaming devices: physical controls. That's one of the best reasons why 3DS should have had that 2nd slide pad from the beginning.

[Chozo Ghost]

Whether Vita is the real competition or if its iOS/Android my point is still the same. Nintendo can't just ignore the requests of 3rd parties anymore. The DS supposedly stands for "Developer's System" and it was built with the wishlists of developers in mind, and the 3DS carries on that tradition. That's a great thing for developers, and its also a great thing for consumers.

If developers want a second analog stick they should get it. The last thing Nintendo needs to do is antagonize developers and cause them to go over to the competition. I also disagree that this makes Capcom or whoever "lazy". I'm sure they could shoehorn the controls into just one analog, but in many cases its better if there are two. The PSP had that problem and developers struggled to work around it, but in the end Sony decided to put dual analogs on the Vita and for good reason. Its just the better way to go.

Remember how Super Mario 64 DS played? The original DS had no analog whatsoever, so you had to struggle with the game either with the D-pad or with the touchscreen and it sucked. That is a game which would have benefited hugely from an analog stick. Of course the 3DS has one analog stick, but for some games you really need to have two. Nintendo should provide that as an option for developers.

[Adrock]

Whether Vita is the real competition or if its iOS/Android my point is still the same. Nintendo can't just ignore the requests of 3rd parties anymore. The DS supposedly stands for "Developer's System" and it was built with the wishlists of developers in mind, and the 3DS carries on that tradition. That's a great thing for developers, and its also a great thing for consumers.

What? If that were true, there would be no attachment. The second slide pad would have been there in the first place. And while the extra functionality stands to make certain games better, this sucks for developers. It forces consumers to pay more for something that should have come with the system (in a non-asinine way) and it forces 3rd parties to contend with holdouts who refuse to buy the add-on. That affects development and marketing. They're posed with either creating games that some people refuse to play due to extra cost/don't know better or creating a competent control mode that works without the right slide pad which is more work and cost for them. This pretty much sucks for everybody in some way even if it benefits certain games.

Nintendo shouldn't ignore the requests of 3rd parties (probably never should to begin with). That doesn't mean they won't continue to do so anyway. This attachement is an admission of poor design and penny-pinching on their part. I hope they learn from this, but considering we're still unclear on if the Wii U absolutely will support more than 1 tablet controller (since I recall someone from Nintendo saying it can which isn't the same thing), I choose to remain skeptical. I'm baffled that this is even a thing we're discussing. After the PSP fiasco, I pretty much assumed that this wouldn't be something that plagued any other hardware ever and yet here we are...

[Chozo Ghost]

Its been beaten to death, but the addon is only $10 and it will likely come bundled for free with many of the games which would use it. It isn't going to be a major obstacle for 3DS owners to get ahold of one. If you have the money to purchase a 3DS game then you can just get it then, and if you don't have the money to buy a $39.99 3DS game which would bundle it then what would the point be in catering to you anyway?

Look at all the people who bought Wii Play just for the free wiimote. Or all the people who bought Monster Hunter Tri for the classic controller Pro. Or Wii Sports Resort for the M+. All these games have sold extremely well and they've come bundled with the peripherals for free so no one has to make a separate purchase in order to get those things.

The bundling peripherals thing turned out to be an extremely successful business strategy for Nintendo during the Wii generation and it is why an unremarkable game like Wii Play somehow has managed to become one of if not the best selling video games of all time. So why wouldn't Nintendo want to replicated this peripheral bundling strategy on the 3DS or Wii U? It works and it prints money so they probably set this up deliberately.

[Adrock]

Its been beaten to death, but the addon is only $10 and it will likely come bundled for free with many of the games which would use it. It isn't going to be a major obstacle for 3DS owners to get ahold of one. If you have the money to purchase a 3DS game then you can just get it then, and if you don't have the money to buy a $39.99 3DS game which would bundle it then what would the point be in catering to you anyway?

No one said it would be an obstacle to get one so hop off of that horse. It's not an obstacle to buy a lot of things these days. Rather, the question is whether people WANT to get one. There are a number of people on these very boards who don't, even for $10, myself included. I'm okay with the attachment existing. Playstation Move exists, but I'm not going to buy that either. I don't currently want the slide pad add-on, the only game it's announced for doesn't interest me (I already owned and traded it on the Wii), and I don't care that it's $10. I don't buy things just because I can. I have to WANT it. Unless the attachment happens to come with a game I really want, I'm got going to have it. That same $10 can go towards something I actual do want like cupcakes or ice cream. Chances are the only way I'm getting a second slide pad on a 3DS is if it's included in a revision because I can't imagine there being a game on 3DS I'm dying to play that absolutely, positively requires it.

The bundling peripherals thing turned out to be an extremely successful business strategy for Nintendo during the Wii generation and it is why an unremarkable game like Wii Play somehow has managed to become one of if not the best selling video games of all time. So why wouldn't Nintendo want to replicated this peripheral bundling strategy on the 3DS or Wii U? It works and it prints money so they probably set this up deliberately.

Are you really trying to compare the Wii to the 3DS? Wii started a craze, 3DS did not. The Wii was consistently sold out everywhere for like 1.5-2 years. Nintendo had to drop the price $80 after 5 months to get people to buy a 3DS and even then, only the promise of also getting 20 free games pushed some people. Wii Play sold because it was new and casual gamers were willing literally eat **** if the word "Wii" was attached to it. It also didn't hurt that when Wii Play launched, getting extra controllers wasn't terribly easy. That's why I bought Wii Play and I only ended up liking one of those games (Tanks for the motherfucking win). I'm sure Nintendo WANTS to replicate the success of bundling. That doesn't mean it's always going to work.

[Chozo Ghost]

There are a number of people on these very boards who don't, even for $10, myself included.

Not even if it is bundled for FREE with the game? It would be $10 to buy it separately, but its free if it comes with a game you buy.

Are you really trying to compare the Wii to the 3DS?

No, I'm not so please stop that. I'm talking about the business strategy of bundling peripherals in with games as a trojan horse to get people to buy them when otherwise they probably wouldn't. You don't like Monster Hunter and that's fine, but if your favorite game franchise came to the 3DS you would probably buy it and if the analog slider thing was bundled in with it for free you would get it and it wouldn't cost you a cent extra than what you would have paid to get the game anyway.

[Mop it up]

So Nintendo shouldn't listen to what third parties want and encourage them to develop for it?

Not when it's a lazy cash-in third-party. They can listen to the good ones.

[Chocobo_Rider]

Not when it's a lazy cash-in third-party. They can listen to the good ones.

Agreed.

[Adrock]

Not even if it is bundled for FREE with the game? It would be $10 to buy it separately, but its free if it comes with a game you buy.

Assuming it's bundled for free. The only thing that springs to mind immediately that Nintendo ever bundled for free was the Wii Wheel and that offered no extra functionality. More often than not, Nintendo charges for extras.

I'm talking about the business strategy of bundling peripherals in with games as a trojan horse to get people to buy them when otherwise they probably wouldn't.

Yeah.... I got it. And I explained why it worked on the Wii and why it is less likely to work on 3DS.

You don't like Monster Hunter and that's fine, but if your favorite game franchise came to the 3DS you would probably buy it and if the analog slider thing was bundled in with it for free you would get it and it wouldn't cost you a cent extra than what you would have paid to get the game anyway.

I'm seriously not sure if you're just trolling me. I'm beginning to think you don't read entire posts and just pick and choose what you want to hear.

Unless the attachment happens to come with a game I really want, I'm got going to have it. That same $10 can go towards something I actual do want like cupcakes or ice cream. Chances are the only way I'm getting a second slide pad on a 3DS is if it's included in a revision because I can't imagine there being a game on 3DS I'm dying to play that absolutely, positively requires it.

[NWR_insanolord]

Monster Hunter is such a sales juggernaut in Japan that if Capcom said they wanted a second circle pad to make one for the 3DS, Nintendo really had no choice but to go along.

[Adrock]

That's pretty much what I assumed happened. The timing is odd though. While showing 3rd parties what they were working on, I'm sure a right slide pad came up more than once. I'm still trying to figure out why Nintendo thought it was a good idea not to include it in the first place.

[UncleBob]

"I don't want this, I don't have to have it, No one is making me get it, but damnit, I want to complain about it anyway."

[Mop it up]

My guess is that a popular game like Monster Hunter wasn't mentioned back then as a game that would need a second circle pad, or Nintendo figured that the 3DS would be popular so they just did their own thing and didn't worry about third-parties.

[NWR_insanolord]

"I don't want this, I don't have to have it, No one is making me get it, but damnit, I want to complain about it anyway."

It could be argued that it might influence Nintendo's future developments negatively or be taken as a sign of something wrong with Nintendo's overall policy. I'm not saying I would argue that, but there are ways it could be bad for people even though they have the option of not buying it.

[Adrock]

"I don't want this, I don't have to have it, No one is making me get it, but damnit, I want to complain about it anyway."

Who's complaining? If this is aimed at me, I'm not complaining about it. I've stated several times that I'm fine with it being released even if I don't plan on getting it. Companies release a lot of things I don't intend to buy. I just find Chozo Ghost's enthusiasm for it unwarranted. I may disagree with his view, but that doesn't mean I'm complaining.

My guess is that a popular game like Monster Hunter wasn't mentioned back then as a game that would need a second circle pad, or Nintendo figured that the 3DS would be popular so they just did their own thing and didn't worry about third-parties.

Possibly though this is the same Nintendo that let Capcom redesign the Classic Controller. I'm certain that Nintendo decided to do their own thing. I recall them saying that they asked 3rd parties what they wanted to see. I'm sure many of them were like, "Where's the right analog stick?" And Nintendo's response was, "Well, you see, the thing about that is... uh... **** YOU!"

[NWR_insanolord]

Nintendo can always be counted on to do their own thing, for better or worse.

[Chozo Ghost]

That's pretty much what I assumed happened. The timing is odd though. While showing 3rd parties what they were working on, I'm sure a right slide pad came up more than once. I'm still trying to figure out why Nintendo thought it was a good idea not to include it in the first place.

I don't think its anything more than an oversight on Nintendo's part. Yes, it should have been included right from the beginning, but keep in mind they have zero experience with analog sticks on a handheld so they probably figured that by adding just one to the 3DS that was a major leap and probably good enough. They didn't have the same experience that Sony did with the PSP and the problems the PSP faced by only having one analog. Of course, Nintendo should have paid more attention to what its competitors are doing and the difficulties they face and then maybe this wouldn't have happened, but it did.

They should have known from their experience with the N64 and its single analog controller that just one analog stick isn't enough. Many games on the N64 would have benefited a lot by a dual analog, and apparently Nintendo agreed because when they designed the GC controller they did add a second analog.

But no, I don't think this was some conspiracy theory or anything more than just a mistake on the part of Nintendo. Keep in mind that the $250 price was also a mistake, so it goes to show they are not infallible as many of us would like to believe they are. The thing is that's two major oversights regarding the 3DS, and things tend to go in cycles of three... so is there a third major oversight that's going to come to light sooner or later? That's what I'm still worried about. I think the lack of a USB port is another oversight, because that would have made peripherals such as this slider thing much easier to pull off. There's also the weak battery life, but I wouldn't consider that a major issue though.

[Ceric]

Monster Hunter Doesn't NEED the second analog.  For Goodness sake PSP users did the Claw to play the game and thats about as ergonomic as typing with your keyboard taped to the place on your back thats hard to reach.  If you look at the Famitsu scans you'll notice that the touchscreen has the Wii d-Pad camera contols there and a new one that will focus to the monster.

I have not to this day every played a game on any system with DS in the name where I sat down and said, "You know this really needed a second control stick."


(THough I have said that about having Analog Stick instead of d-pad.)

[Adrock]

Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D would have benefited from having the right slide pad. However, I agree that the game didn't need it.

[Crimm]

Hey guys, what about those games in the list?