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EA Sports Grand Slam Tennis w/ M+
« on: March 12, 2009, 11:52:38 PM »




Things to note
  • Wimbleton & John McEnroe exclusive to EA SPORTS Grand Slam Tennis
  • 1:1 Authentic Tennis Racket Swing Control
  • Singles and Doubles Online Play
  • One Dozen Party Games
  • Online Leader Boards
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Nintendo Power Preview - EA's Grand Slam Tennis

Is no one else kinda excited by this game? I've never bought an actual EA sports game (NBA/NFL Street don't count) & my mom is really into tennis(on TV & WiiSports) so I very eager for this game to come out so that I can expand her gaming taste into real games with more depth than what WiiSports/WiiPlay/WiiFit have to offer.

I really like the stylized graphics, cause even though they are cartoony, they are very good caricatures of the real players.

Truth is I'm really excited about the possibilities of M+ & might even be tempted to pick up Tiger Woods even though I'm not a fan of golf

IGN Hands on
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IGN hands on Wii EA Grand slam Tennis "now with" M+

Without Wii MotionPlus, rallies are all about timing. Based on when you swing, the ball will fly off in a certain direction -- very similar to Wii Sports Tennis. With MotionPlus, it's all about your form, power and followthrough, the latter of which is very important. You still use A and B-trigger as lob and dropshot modifiers, which just works. But less emphasis is placed on your timing. As your waiting for a serve or for a return, you twist the Wii remote about and your on-screen character will do the same. And when you finally hit it back, you'll need to consider whether to hit forehand or backhand, speed, and the positioning of the Wii remote at the end of your motion and arch. In my play test, every ball I returned shot exactly where I wanted it to go. Even better, if I cut my followthrough midway on a return, the ball would curve inward toward the middle court instead of outward toward a corner, which is amazing.

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For Grand Slam Tennis, that translates to a near one-to-one movement between what you're doing with the Wii Remote and what your onscreen player is doing with his racket. In fact, the controls are so sensitive that you can roll the Wii Remote in your hands and the player will roll the racket in sync. As a result, you'll need to be mindful of how level your racket is when you're swinging, because angling the face up or down will make a difference in how the shot comes off the racket's face.

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Re: Grand Slam Tennis w/ M+ (EA Sports)
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2009, 11:58:50 PM »
I love Wii. I love tennis. I love tennis games on Wii. Of course I am looking forward to this, especially now that it uses motion plus.
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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2009, 07:58:09 AM »
I got really excited for this after hearing them talk about it on the IGN podcast.
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Re: Grand Slam Tennis w/ M+ (EA Sports)
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2009, 10:56:47 AM »
Yes, this game and Tiger Woods with the Motion + is going to kick the Wii into overdrive, not to mention Sports Resort. They all sound great and I can't wait to try this stuff out.

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Re: Grand Slam Tennis w/ M+ (EA Sports)
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2009, 01:22:42 AM »
Going by the gamespot hands on I'm excited by the possibilities of Motion+.I think next year will be the year of Motion+ while this year will be a testing ground for the device.

I also heard that John McEnroe was going to be in this game. You know that guy that says "You can not be serious!!"
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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2009, 04:55:41 PM »
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Re: Grand Slam Tennis w/ M+ (EA Sports)
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2009, 01:59:42 PM »
Looks like Wii Sports Resort won't be the only game to come with a M+ attachment packed in... atleast in Europe

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Grand Slam Tennis - 2.07.2009 - 49,99 Euro

Grand Slam Tennis Bundle with Wii Motion Plus - 2.07.2009 - 59,99 Euro

Unfortunately the game was delayed about 2 weeks from June 16th to July 2nd.

Hopefully they do the same thing with the US release.(bundle M+ w/ GST)
I plan on buying both, so it would be nice to have 2 M+ attachments for both remotes.
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2009, 02:37:41 PM »
"I plan on buying both, so it would be nice to have 2 M+ attachments for both remotes."

Same here; if anything, just to support M+ games.
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2009, 02:48:48 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2009, 03:14:35 PM »
I was gonna suggest that they bundle it in with Tiger Woods too, but from a business sense, it wouldn't encourage sales of Grand Slam for the M+ purchase.
Tiger is gonna sell w/ or w/o the M+ bundle so why pack it in. Grand Slam on the other hand is made very attractive because of the M+ bundle and if you buy TW and wand an M+ you might just pick up a GS bundle to get it.

I've never owned a stand alone sports game that wasn't NFL/NBA Jam/Street/Blitz so I'm kinda surprised that I'm actually excited by these games. It might have to do with the fact that my mom is a Tennis fan and constant player of WiiSports Tennis and one of my best friend loves Tiger Woods and we used to have long weekend nights playing through tournaments on the PS2 years ago. Its definitely the aspect of M+ and getting more people into the Wii and away from WiiSports/Play/Fit. This game gives me a chance to get my mom to try to play more complex games and turn her into an actual gamer.

Its a long wait till June

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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2009, 03:19:02 PM »
Maybe me and your mom can play together? She'd probably be quite a challenge. We'd go at it for hours.

I don't think your logic makes sense. Since Tiger Woods will sell on it's own that means it's not a good candidate for a pack-in? If anything, it's more of a candidate. The more people that have the accessory, the larger the base to sell accessory driven games.
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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2009, 03:51:53 PM »
But they will buy Tiger anyways. Grand Slam needs the incentive.
Those that own Tiger will want the M+ support will go out and buy Grand Slam too.
Those that love Grand Slam and want another game to use with M+ will go buy Tiger
Two games sold cause you have to collect them all - It would be like EA applying the Pokemon method to its sports games.

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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2009, 03:53:21 PM »
"Maybe me and your mom can play together? She'd probably be quite a challenge. We'd go at it for hours."

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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2009, 03:58:29 PM »
"Maybe me and your mom can play together? She'd probably be quite a challenge. We'd go at it for hours."

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« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2009, 06:54:02 PM »
It makes sense that Nintendo and EA would bundle MP with one of the sports games. The appeal of the new EA games is that MP greatly enhances the experience so the more games that include it the better. That way those that want MP but don't want Wii Sports Resorts (a very unlikely case) can pick up something that is deeper.
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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2009, 11:06:01 PM »
Got my NP today.Here is the Player Roster.
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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2009, 11:32:07 PM »
Is create-a-character available?
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« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2009, 11:40:30 PM »
Is create-a-character available?
I don't see it mentioned Pro.

There will be online play for singles and doubles play.
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« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2009, 11:44:22 PM »
Is the release date mentioned.
Just want to make sure I got it right this time(Thought EA Active came out tomorrow - gave mom an IOU for mothers day :()

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« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2009, 12:05:31 AM »
All I need to know is if it comes with the extended protective rubber sleeve to accommodate the addition of the Motion Plus.

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« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2009, 12:09:34 AM »
BNM Nintendo Power has a June 2009 timeframe.A couple sites have June 8th date.

Caliban I believe it does have that.
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« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2009, 12:44:00 AM »
Speaking of release dates,Austrelia might have gotten a week push up their release date. Some retailers are listing June 11th as the release date. Dasmos and Blackfootsteps you might want to check on that.
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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2009, 02:33:15 PM »
Hmm.... I do think that game consumers are a little soft, so I'm starting to wonder if a higher price point, $59.99 US, will actually hurt sales.
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« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2009, 01:19:17 AM »
Ouch.  Nintendo Power gave it a 7.5.  I had higher hopes for this one.  But then again, they're all over the place and lack any sign of intelligence in their review summaries, so hope is not yet lost.
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« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2009, 03:50:14 AM »
any word on a review for Virtual Tennis from SEGA?

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« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2009, 06:30:11 AM »
any word on a review for Virtual Tennis from SEGA?

The only review currently up on Metacritic is an 85, but IGN's impressions have been negative compared to those of Grand Slam Tennis.
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« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2009, 07:52:15 PM »
So who is picking this up tomorrow?

I'm waiting on TW in the mail(Amazon est. arrival is the 15th) , so GST is my pick up game tomorrow.
Is anyone looking forward to this, or do you prefer VT 2009 instead?


Also it looks like Nintendo decided not to play favorites in Europe and is bundling both GST and VT2009 w/ M+

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« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2009, 08:09:13 PM »
Hmm, I'm waiting before I buy this one.  Reviews are all over the place right now.  Eurogamer gave it a 5/10 and had this to say:

Grand Slam Tennis is an underwhelming representation of tennis, crippled by unintuitive controls, and just makes you want to go back to the precision of Top Spin or Virtua Tennis on a control pad. You can't blame Wii MotionPlus for this failure, because it's almost impossible to tell whether it's helping or hindering. What you can say is that Grand Slam Tennis isn't very good either way. Bring on Wii Sports Resort.

5/10


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« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2009, 08:17:37 PM »
I'm waiting for VT to make my decision. I loved VT back in the day on dreamcast so I'm more inclined to back it up with my $$$.
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« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2009, 08:24:50 PM »
Hmm, I'm waiting before I buy this one.  Reviews are all over the place right now.  Eurogamer gave it a 5/10 and had this to say:

Grand Slam Tennis is an underwhelming representation of tennis, crippled by unintuitive controls, and just makes you want to go back to the precision of Top Spin or Virtua Tennis on a control pad. You can't blame Wii MotionPlus for this failure, because it's almost impossible to tell whether it's helping or hindering. What you can say is that Grand Slam Tennis isn't very good either way. Bring on Wii Sports Resort.

5/10


Hopefully, Tiger's reviews are more consistent.

According to impressions from IGN & an interview with EA themselves, it seems more like Eurogamer had a case of user error.

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It doesn't help a great deal, either, that the player you create is a bit of a chump at the start. Beginning with a zero-star rating, the only way to improve is to beat opponents - either in one-off matches or through tournaments. Winning points and games (even when you lose the match) will eventually contribute to your star rating, but the problem is just that - winning games is disproportionately and unfathomably tough.

As something of a tennis gaming veteran, I kicked off on the game's medium level to see how I got on, but was forced to drop it down simply to see if I'd fare any better. The difference was minimal, and, again, the problem was nearly always down to actual shot-placement rather than fierce AI. In the heat of a lengthy rally, you might be doing fine, but one misread shot and you're another point down. If that happens a couple of times in a game, you're not only left frustrated, but probably defeated. The AI hardly ever makes mistakes. Being able to unlock special moves, such as Serena Williams' serve, by beating them in one-off matches is largely inconsequential when the outcome of so many matches is apparently random.

Soiunds like the reviewer wasn't as much of a veteran as he thought. Appeared to be too challlenging for him.

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« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2009, 09:04:22 PM »
Yeah, that, or he could just be a tennis slob.  This isn't meant to be a sim.  Hopefully, its just a one off review.
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« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2009, 09:09:35 PM »
wtf

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« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2009, 09:45:08 PM »
wtf

if you're discouraged by losing, why the hell does one become a games journalist?

All his review told me is that there is a learning curve and you're not gonna just be able to step in here with your WiiSports Tennis Pro status and think you got game. It presents a challenge and he wasn't good enough to meet it.

edit: I think I found the Eurogamers problem in the IGN Review

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It took me about 10 – 15 minutes of time to really get a feel for what Wii MotionPlus was doing, and another half hour or so to really feel confident that I was playing exactly how it wanted me to, but considering the amount of time real tennis takes that's not exactly a huge investment. Still, the time wasn't necessarily taken learning the swings or court strategy, but more so what the game does and doesn't want players doing. For starters, Wii MotionPlus can get out of sync, and if you aren't mindful of where the remote is post-play you'll run into that issue – especially during replays. The one-to-one hand-tracking will look visibly out of sync at times, and if you don't have a second to rest your hand still and recalibrate it (all MotionPlus calibration is done automatically by holding the unit still) you might be off for the next point

Since everything is calibrated to a more realistic experience – if you get tense and over swing during a match you'll actually knock the ball out of bounds – you feel more in control of the match, and losing is less about the game "cheating" you on a swing and more about honing your own skills. Yeah there's a bit of a learning curve – honestly, about time on Wii – but when the reward for shot practice is a game so fun that you're going back just to knock a few balls around in quick play over and over that's something I can get behind. Once mastered you'll be able to put the ball wherever you want on the court, and doing that with real motion control is very, very rewarding.

I also updated the OP
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OP Updated - IGN gives an 8.5
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« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2009, 01:21:47 AM »
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« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2009, 03:34:11 AM »
So, Eurogamer's review is actual saying "God i suck at this game, must be something wrong with the game and not me being bad at tennis, that can't be, i'm a gamejournalist!"

Much like a lot of bad WiiMusic review really

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« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2009, 10:39:45 AM »
Hmm, its disappointing you have to hold the remote still after each play.  Not an issue for me, but may be tough to explain to noobs that come over.
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« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2009, 04:00:31 PM »
So does the US version come bundled with WM+?
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« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2009, 05:09:11 PM »
The US version does not come with a M+, and I just picked this up and TW10 so maybe I'll put up some impressions later if I remember.

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« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2009, 08:13:10 PM »
So I picked this up, and two motion plusses.  I've played two exhibition matches against my roommate, and I'll give some feedback about it, for anyone interested.

All information is with the use of the Wii Motionplus (M+), and there are none without said device.  The game may play completely differently without it, but those impressions are not included in this quick review.

To begin, motion control, or at least, how the game interprets it, does not seem to be 1:1, unfortunately.  Often, I'd swing with a clear backhand stroke, and have the character on screen use his forehand.  Not several, but a few returns and volleys were ruined by this.  However, the motion plus does read the type of stroke you're using, as it relates to topspin, slice, or a flat hit fairly well, better than other Wii Tennis games I've played.

The game has a few different movement options.  You can allow the game to move your character for you, for instance, or plug in a nunchuk and run yourself.  After a few quick tries on a ball-shooting machine, I determined that the auto-run feature just didn't make the cut.  Often, the character would be confused as to whether or not a backhand or forehand shot would be adequate, and stand in the middle--essentially, without a players swing, the character winds up directly in the ball's path.  To rectify this, my roommate and I decided we'd prefer to choose our shots, and moved to nunchuk controls, and we were happier immediately.

Beyond that, characters have difficulty changing directions and running forward and backwards.  They can run left easily enough, and run right easily enough, but if you overshoot where you need to be, you probably won't be able to turn around very quickly.  Often, it was enough to win a volley by repeating hitting the ball to the same corner of the court:  The other player will try to return to the center of the court, and characters can't change directions quick enough once they see that you've returned the shot in said corner.  An added issue with control, at least with two players on opposing sides of the court, is the camera.  When the ball is hit to the corner, it would move off camera, except the camera shifts its angle to rectify this problem.  Normally, this would be an intuitive solution, but, unfortunately, the change in camera angle also means that the direction you're running in (Precisely where you are pointing the joystick, relative to the direction the character is moving on screen,) changes.  Since your characters cannot alter their directions quickly, this ended up losing several volleys for us.  Additionally, characters do not run up or down the court with the same speed they run left and right, so it's very easy to anticipate and believe you'll make a shot, and wind up running short, not reaching the ball.

The last issue is one I'm not certain of, myself.  There is a slight delay of swinging and the screen transitioning into swing.  If you wait to swing until the ball reaches your on-screen character, you may wind up swinging a teeny bit too late, missing the ball.  As such, it appears that the timing to hit the ball early, and in the direction of an early swing (toward the left from perspective of a right-handed forehand swing), is very wide, and the timing window for a directly forward shot and one that travels in the direction of a later swing (left from earlier perspective), is increasingly narrow.  It's very possible this is an issue of my own, and not what I make it out to be, so take it with a grain of salt.  I haven't had enough experience with the game to say one way or another.

Characters are caricatures of themselves, in several cases offering little resemblance to their real-life counterparts.  They are lanky, with large heads, and despite the length, have a slower than expected stride.  Default champions have a 3-5 star rank relative to their individual fame, and possibly related to ability.  When you create your own character, this character has no stars, so it is assumed that victory and success in the single-player mode can raise the character up to the five-star level.  The one character I made, when tested, didn't seem to have an speed or power issues, so I assume that the rank has more to do with relative fame than ability.  Characters are larger than they would be in real life, so the court appears to be smaller than it is, but since movement speed doesn't match character size, the game retains the pace of a normal tennis match, and doesn't contain endless volleys.

If you were to compare the game with Mario Power Tennis, I'd say it is marginally better, despite issues with running and recovery speeds.  Button presses are used for lobs and drop shots, but detection of forehand and backhand, as well as slice and topspin is done entirely by M+.  Ball direction is conveyed by the timing of the swing only, it seems, though it could be influenced by the angle of the Wii-Remote, as well.  Controls are, in no way, 1:1.  The in-game character does attempt to hold his racket in a similar manner as the player, but does not nearly capture 1:1 motion.   If the game believes you swing, the in-game character does a full swing, regardless of your true motions in reality, and sometimes, as mentioned before, it misinterprets forehand and backhand. The same flaws present in Mario Power Tennis's re-release, and even some from Wii Sports' Tennis are present, though detection is better than those games, in most cases.

All-in-all, despite the listed shortcomings, the game feels paced like a professional tennis match flows.  Characters aren't as quick as in mascot-type tennis games, but rather a little more realistically, despite a caricature appearance that would leave other impressions at first glance.  I point out the negatives more than the positives because I was expecting more.  1:1 was promised, but is not delivered in any way I found tangible.  If you're a fan of Tennis, then you might like to pick this up, but the increased control is only marginal at best, and not worth an upgrade from Mario Power Tennis, or even Wii Sports' Tennis, if you're not.  It does contain current-day and previous/legacy tennis champions, but they're relatively unrecognizable compared to their real-life counterparts.

Hopefully that helps things for those on the fence.

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Re: EA Sports Grand Slam Tennis w/ M+ bundled in
« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2009, 08:42:30 PM »
Has anybody played VT 2010?
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« Reply #45 on: June 09, 2009, 08:43:53 PM »
Thanks for the impressions thatguy.

Does anybody have Virtua Tennis and this game. I want to know how they compare in regards to Motion Plus,Modes, and Players.
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Re: EA Sports Grand Slam Tennis w/ M+ bundled in
« Reply #46 on: June 09, 2009, 10:26:40 PM »
Just Played Grand Slam Tennis

all I have to say at the moment is there are three very important things to know.

1.) the nunchuck needs a longer cord.

2.) when the nunchuck is plugged in, you must move your own player everytime

3.) remember to re-calibrate M+ inbetween points to avoid awkward non-control moments.

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« Reply #47 on: June 09, 2009, 10:34:47 PM »
I should add that I didn't do any real calibration in-between points.  I wasn't even aware of the recommendation until I came online and read a few things after I wrote my impressions.

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« Reply #48 on: June 09, 2009, 10:57:57 PM »
a few more things i noticed.

The load screen for controller help takes forever. What is the game doing, contacting EA in the back ground?

Why is there no tutorial that shows you the proper way to hold the remote while playing. I'm still confused as to which part of the remote serves as the face of the racket.

The characters hair for some hair types looks horrible. Afro style is a bunch of square and its ugly, even from afar.

The player creation is far more basic than Mii maker as I couldn't even make simple character traits to satisfingly make my character slightly resemble me.

And don't click on the M+ tutorial as all it dioes is show you how to install and uninstall the M+ attachment for 3 minutes. I thought it was gonna show me how to play in detail with M+ attached. I was wrong and punished with an unexitable video about M+.

& don't start playing this game by challenging Venus Williams. she is currently 5 to 0 without me winning a single point. Its really sad. I blame M+ controls :(

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« Reply #49 on: June 09, 2009, 11:24:27 PM »
I was thinking about getting this but not too sure anymore.
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« Reply #50 on: June 09, 2009, 11:28:11 PM »
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« Reply #51 on: June 09, 2009, 11:42:01 PM »
I was thinking about getting this but not too sure anymore.
Don't let my little outburst deter you, the game is fun, and I must be out of shape because my legs hurt just from playing.

One thing that really makes no sense about this game is where the frak is the fricken pointer controls?
I gave thisgame to my mom as a b-day present and she was dumbfounded as to how to get around the menu and character selection since there were no pointer controls.

When you go to input your name for custom character creation there is pointer controls, but not for the ingame menus and that is a serious WTF for EA right there.

Other than that, my character is created and I'm doing grand slam. if you hold the controller regularly and remember to re-calibrate often then things work fine. The sides of the wiimote are the face of the racket by the way, but would it really hurt EA to have mentioned that somewhere in the controls help menu?

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Re: EA Sports Grand Slam Tennis w/ M+ bundled in
« Reply #52 on: June 10, 2009, 01:04:28 AM »
My mom was having so much troublwe with this because her character just wouldn't swing when she wanted. I removed the M|+ and now the problem is solved. Now it plays more like WiiSports Tennis and she is happy.

I got the M+ to work for me, minus the random miscommunication, but I guess its just gonna take some time for it to click.

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« Reply #53 on: June 10, 2009, 12:40:40 PM »
3.) remember to re-calibrate M+ inbetween points to avoid awkward non-control moments.

What exactly do you have to do to re-calibrate it?
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« Reply #54 on: June 10, 2009, 01:02:38 PM »
just hold the remote still for two seconds. The game actually tells you to lay it flat on a table face down for 2 secs.
There are replays after point, so you always have time to do it.

And for the record, the game does tell you the proper way to hold the remote(sides of the remote are the face of the racket), but its during one of the tip screen that flashes by quickly if you press a button too quickly.

And this game just became soooo easier to play once I removed the M+. Its like WiiSports Tennis only alot more challenging and with the control options that should have been there from the start. M+ takes some getting used to for Tennis, but is alot more intuitive for Golf.

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« Reply #55 on: June 10, 2009, 01:25:08 PM »
Weird, I wonder why you don't have to do that w/ Tiger M+.  Its not a huge deal, but I could see that getting annoying after awhile.
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« Reply #56 on: June 10, 2009, 02:15:32 PM »
In Tiger Woods the M+ is only used during te swing/putt portion of the game, and you have to point straight down before hitting B to activate it.
So I'm guessing it calibrates a the pointing down part when you press B.

In GST there is a little trick you can do to tell if you are calibrated or not.
While waiting on a serve hold your controller left or right and see if the character follows. If not you need to callibrate ASAP or most likely lose the point.
I'm not sure if you can pause to calibrate or not though, I haven't tried it out yet.


EA made a good effort this first time around, but I could make a laundry list (actually already have) of improvement for the sequel. Some are inexcusable  WTF oversights (where are the pointer controls for the menus :backofheadslap:), but nothing is game breaking, and it is still a very fun title to play. Now I'm off to go play some Tiger Woods.

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Re: EA Sports Grand Slam Tennis w/ M+ bundled in
« Reply #57 on: June 19, 2009, 06:29:03 PM »
Someone change the thread title because M+ isn't bundled with this game.

I got the game.
I got it because WSR does not include Tennis. I also wanted to get an early feel to M+ before WSR came out.
This game can be tough because I'm still not used to M+, but yet at the same time it feels as though I'm still playing with the Wii remote. I guess a few more playtime hours should give me the perception and feel of what I should be doing.
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« Reply #58 on: June 19, 2009, 08:17:14 PM »
Are you in Europe? Because its supposed to be bundled with M+ in Europe(like the OP says ;))

If you're in Europe and its not bundled, then I will happily change the title.
& I didn't get the hang of M+ in this game either. I spend all my Wii time with TW right now, but I plan on perfecting GST at some point too.
Have you taken it online yet?

edit: I forgot that I complete deleted and changed the OP a while back when I added all the pics.
So I will change the title now to reflect that.
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« Reply #59 on: June 19, 2009, 10:26:34 PM »
I haven't tried online, but I will as soon as I can get me new rechargeable batteries because the current ones I have are almost dead.

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Re: EA Sports Grand Slam Tennis w/ M+
« Reply #60 on: June 20, 2009, 12:40:26 AM »
I played this for a while today and really enjoyed it, though so far I get how some people have said they're not sure if Motion+ is really doing much. Reviews are making me think I maybe should have gotten Virtua Tennis 2009 instead.
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« Reply #61 on: June 21, 2009, 11:19:51 PM »
Ok

heres some tips from the GST forums.

these helped me immensely.

please, hang with this game thru the ups and downs!

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/242348.page



I too, took out motion control, then got Po'd when the guy didn't get to the exact spots I wanted him too.
SO i got back to basics. destined to figure out the Motion Plus.

Any problems anyone is having, ask your questions here. I'll try to help as I have seem to have gotten over the storm.



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« Reply #62 on: June 22, 2009, 12:00:14 AM »
Thanks for this. Hopefully I'll be able to figure this game out a little more instead of wanting to burn it at a stake.

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« Reply #63 on: June 22, 2009, 12:33:04 AM »
Ok

heres some tips from the GST forums.

these helped me immensely.

please, hang with this game thru the ups and downs!

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/242348.page



I too, took out motion control, then got Po'd when the guy didn't get to the exact spots I wanted him too.
SO i got back to basics. destined to figure out the Motion Plus.

Any problems anyone is having, ask your questions here. I'll try to help as I have seem to have gotten over the storm.

Thanx for the link, but since most people here are lazy like myself, I'm gonna copy/paste the info .

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I have collected a few thought by myself and others about achieving good control with WM+ , please add your own tips below.

Here goes:

-Be aware that the face of the (imaginary) racket is the side of the wiimote. That would mean that for the most part you want the wiimote to be parallel to the ground while you are swinging (i.e. the buttons are facing the ceiling). The index finger should be over the b button and the thumb should be over the a button.

-if you seem to only be able to backspin/topspin the issue is likely with your wrist on the follow through - you are twisting it. Go to the practice court and work on that.

-if you seem to only be able to slice you need to work on keeping your swing level. Trust me, its possible to hit straight - go to the practice court and work on that.

-use defined swings (this is not wii sports tennis were you can just waggle, you really need to bring you arm back). This may sound like a given but it is actually one of the hardest things to realize if you have gotten used to wii sports tennis.

-start your swing as early as possible (just when the ball has been hit by your opponent, and you have determined what direction it is going to go), and follow through when the ball has reached you. Mastering this ability will markedly improve your game,and you will also have less instances where the WM+ is confused about if you are trying a backhand or a forehand.

-when you are waiting for the other guy to serve hold the wiimote still and parallel to the ground, don't worry about what your on screen character is doing.

-serving in GST is not 1:1 - it is the same as wii sports tennis. You swing the wiimote when the ball is at its apex. You can control the direction of the serve (while the ball is in the air) using the d-pad.

- you can only do lobs and drops using the a and b buttons.

Additional tip a few people have suggested:

- return your racket hand to the middle of your body after each shot.



daithiblair's tip:
Go to the practice court, plug in the nunchuck to give yourself full control of the character. If you prefer to play without the nunchuck during actual matches, that is fine, but when on the practice court you want to place your character where you want and know that AI wont interfere. This way you know the only thing affecting your character's movement is the wiimote +. Set the ball machine to slow, serving up only flat shots to your forehand. Bring the raquet back and deliver controlled swings across your body. Instead of trying to hit a specific part of the court. Simply use consistent swings until the ball bounces in the same place, or at least close to the same spot every time you swing. Once you know where your hitting the ball to, try to hit specific parts of the court. remember consistancy and control, not power, are the most important aspects of the swing.

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Re: EA Sports Grand Slam Tennis w/ M+
« Reply #64 on: June 22, 2009, 08:33:51 AM »
I spent a good hour or so last night following these tips and I had a lot less trouble with it. I still am annoyed with the ridiculously high barrier for entry. It looks like EA doesn't understand the fundamental rule of Wii Sports (easy to pick up and play) with GST and to a lesser extent, Tiger Woods.

I still have issues with my player going across court and getting into a near impossible backhand shot when I'm ready with the more realistic forehand.

Right now this game went from being the spawn of the devil to passably ok in my book.
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« Reply #65 on: June 22, 2009, 11:21:15 AM »
I spent a good hour or so last night following these tips and I had a lot less trouble with it. I still am annoyed with the ridiculously high barrier for entry. It looks like EA doesn't understand the fundamental rule of Wii Sports (easy to pick up and play) with GST and to a lesser extent, Tiger Woods.

I still have issues with my player going across court and getting into a near impossible backhand shot when I'm ready with the more realistic forehand.

Right now this game went from being the spawn of the devil to passably ok in my book.

nron, glad to see the game has gotten a bit more enjoyable for you.
it is a tough steep learning curve, i think Ea didnt want to make it easy, there is an option to take out motion plus and play with no nunchuk, which makes it very forgiving.

But there are loads of tennis fans looking for a closer representation of the subtle pro actions that is done in tennis.

for a debut, this is a very good game.
i cant wait to see how far along it is when its in the same itineration as Virtua Tennis is at now.

Hang in there nron!

try to think of the controller as an extension of your hand.

any questions ask away.

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« Reply #66 on: June 22, 2009, 11:44:54 AM »
To be fair, I don't find the MotionPlus-less controls to be much better. It's like a crappy Wii Sports.

While there are loads of tennis fans, there are also loads of non-tennis fans, casual tennis fans, or Wii Sports tennis fans that will probably just want to burn things when they try this game for the first time.

This all gets back to my original issue when I first tried out MotionPlus. Is this new layer of "realistic" control fun? It seems like these new-fangled motion controls just makes games more difficult.
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« Reply #67 on: June 22, 2009, 12:16:08 PM »
Motion+ elevates simplistic casual motion controls to demanding non-casual motion play.
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« Reply #68 on: June 22, 2009, 12:25:54 PM »
Realism =/always/= Fun.

Sometimes its more fun to actually do it in real life.

But now that I have a guide on how to play this game, I guess I'll give it a second try.

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« Reply #69 on: June 22, 2009, 12:47:55 PM »
Eurogamer reversed their score of this game after finally figuring out how to play it.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/grand-slam-tennis-review
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And in Grand Slam Tennis's case, they may be entirely moot, for this is a game which absolutely requires a WMP to unlock its potential. Despite our initial - and entirely incorrect - reservations and problems with Grand Slam Tennis, our re-assessment of EA's new brand couldn't really contrast more heavily. Far from being "crippled by unintuitive controls", the reality is that it's beautifully intuitive, and just about shades Virtua Tennis 2009 on Wii by simply having a more satisfying feel to it. It might feel a little lightweight as an all-round package, but as a multiplayer game it's hard to top. It's a close-run thing, but as far as tennis titles go right now, this sits right at the top of the pile, and is a cracking advert for the Wii MotionPlus.

8/10

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« Reply #70 on: June 22, 2009, 12:52:51 PM »
I'm curious what they gave it before.
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« Reply #71 on: June 22, 2009, 01:14:53 PM »
Hmm, I'm waiting before I buy this one.  Reviews are all over the place right now.  Eurogamer gave it a 5/10 and had this to say:

Grand Slam Tennis is an underwhelming representation of tennis, crippled by unintuitive controls, and just makes you want to go back to the precision of Top Spin or Virtua Tennis on a control pad. You can't blame Wii MotionPlus for this failure, because it's almost impossible to tell whether it's helping or hindering. What you can say is that Grand Slam Tennis isn't very good either way. Bring on Wii Sports Resort.

5/10


Hopefully, Tiger's reviews are more consistent.

According to impressions from IGN & an interview with EA themselves, it seems more like Eurogamer had a case of user error.

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It doesn't help a great deal, either, that the player you create is a bit of a chump at the start. Beginning with a zero-star rating, the only way to improve is to beat opponents - either in one-off matches or through tournaments. Winning points and games (even when you lose the match) will eventually contribute to your star rating, but the problem is just that - winning games is disproportionately and unfathomably tough.

As something of a tennis gaming veteran, I kicked off on the game's medium level to see how I got on, but was forced to drop it down simply to see if I'd fare any better. The difference was minimal, and, again, the problem was nearly always down to actual shot-placement rather than fierce AI. In the heat of a lengthy rally, you might be doing fine, but one misread shot and you're another point down. If that happens a couple of times in a game, you're not only left frustrated, but probably defeated. The AI hardly ever makes mistakes. Being able to unlock special moves, such as Serena Williams' serve, by beating them in one-off matches is largely inconsequential when the outcome of so many matches is apparently random.

Soiunds like the reviewer wasn't as much of a veteran as he thought. Appeared to be too challlenging for him.

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« Reply #72 on: June 22, 2009, 01:50:30 PM »
There is a definite trick to this game, but the barrier for entry is so high and so frustrating that I couldn't really recommend this game to anyone besides hardcore tennis video game fans.

I can now actually win while I play the game, but I'm not having a lot of fun. Hell, I might be getting tennis elbow or something.
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« Reply #73 on: June 22, 2009, 01:57:22 PM »
Funny thing is, I was winning when I was using M+ from the start, but it was so frustrating to have to recalibrate the the controller every 15 seconds because my character would spaz out and miss what should've been an easy shot. Yet I still won 2 of my first 3 matches in the Grand Slam Challenge.

I really wanted to have fun, but I was so concentrated on how I would make a movement and the onscreen character would not do what I was trying to make him do, that it became overly frustrating making it impossible to have fun. The day after I bought it is the last time I played it, but I will give it another shot now that I have some gameplay guidelines.

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« Reply #74 on: June 22, 2009, 02:27:37 PM »
I still think having it be neccessary to read a guide to play this game is ridiculous. It could've been covered in a training mode or something. Maybe they could've splurged and had 15 pages in the manual instead of four.
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Re: EA Sports Grand Slam Tennis w/ M+
« Reply #75 on: June 22, 2009, 02:36:22 PM »
I clicked the motion Plus video thinking it was a video tutorial for the game. I was wrong, and had to pay for it by being locked into an unexitable video on how to connect and unconnect the M+ attachement to your wiimote.

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Re: EA Sports Grand Slam Tennis w/ M+
« Reply #76 on: June 22, 2009, 04:02:50 PM »
I won my first match and only lost the second in a close tiebreaker, I didn't read any guide before playing and I had no trouble.
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Re: EA Sports Grand Slam Tennis w/ M+
« Reply #77 on: June 22, 2009, 04:17:04 PM »
Well I won my first couple of matches, only losing to Serena Williams(challenge for her power serve), and I had all sort of problems with the control. It seemed like the M+ would only track what I was doing part of the time and constantly needed to be reset, often times in the middle of a match. I don't have that problem with Tiger Woods.

In TW M+ would track me fine for minutes at a time in regular golf and in disc golf(which I only played to test the tracking vs GST).
GST would work fine for the serve and the 1st return or two, but would need to be recalibrated again in the middle of the match.

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Re: EA Sports Grand Slam Tennis w/ M+
« Reply #78 on: June 22, 2009, 04:21:29 PM »
I didn't have any real trouble with the controls and I was just recalibrating it between points, sometimes every other point, depending on how long they were.
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Re: EA Sports Grand Slam Tennis w/ M+
« Reply #79 on: June 22, 2009, 05:50:14 PM »
Well I won my first couple of matches, only losing to Serena Williams(challenge for her power serve), and I had all sort of problems with the control. It seemed like the M+ would only track what I was doing part of the time and constantly needed to be reset, often times in the middle of a match. I don't have that problem with Tiger Woods.

In TW M+ would track me fine for minutes at a time in regular golf and in disc golf(which I only played to test the tracking vs GST).
GST would work fine for the serve and the 1st return or two, but would need to be recalibrated again in the middle of the match.

tiger will track motion plus and your movements better based on the fact that it knows where u r in space.
in tennis, because of the movement, it does not.

Recalibrating is easy, simple and non intrusive, at least for me.

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Re: EA Sports Grand Slam Tennis w/ M+
« Reply #80 on: July 06, 2009, 08:31:30 PM »
I just played a match against Serena Williams & I gotta say that now that I have a better understanding of how the controls work, I do feel alot more in control of whats happening on screen.  If only EA had just taken to the time to include a "How To Play" interactive demo, none of these problems would have been.... problems.


next step is to incorporate the nunchuck into gameplay for total control, and then take my game online.
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Re: EA Sports Grand Slam Tennis w/ M+
« Reply #81 on: July 06, 2009, 09:10:22 PM »
"If only EA had just taken to the time to include a "How To lay" interactive demo"

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Re: EA Sports Grand Slam Tennis w/ M+
« Reply #82 on: July 06, 2009, 09:55:16 PM »
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Re: EA Sports Grand Slam Tennis w/ M+
« Reply #83 on: July 06, 2009, 10:34:57 PM »
"If only EA had just taken to the time to include a "How To lay" interactive demo"

Oh my.
LOL. damn wireless keyboard. its been fixed, but its too late since its already been quoted.... twice :)