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Nintendo Gaming / Re: My Name is Justin Nation... and I HATE 1-2-Switch

« on: February 15, 2017, 04:45:58 PM »

My biggest gripe with 1-2 Switch is simply that it ate up time during Nintendo's presentation... That they thought to showcase the title rather than concentrate on something actually fun.


Do they honestly think that 1-2 Switch has Wii Sports potential? I don't even mind that they're not packing that game in, as I probably wouldn't be buying a $350 Switch with a game I don't want. So... at least they got that right since there was no way they would eat a small loss on hardware by adding a pack in game.


Strange thing is that I'm still majorly miffed that they used presentation time to showcase 1-2 Switch. I would have rather they showcased actual games with that time.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Not a hater but... (future prediction)

« on: February 12, 2017, 06:19:44 PM »

The Wii barely got any of the same games as the other consoles, which is what people typically mean with the general term of "third-party support."

The DS is a handheld and is a different market than consoles. It of course didn't get the same games as consoles did.

I'm one of those people who says the Wii got nothing but shovelware. When I say it, I mean the Wii literally got next to nothing I actually want. There were very few third party games released that I wanted.


When I look at my bookshelf, I do see that I own quite a few Wii games, but guess how many of those I want to play again. Zero. Because the jaggies hurt to look at. I'd rather play Gamecube games. Less jaggies.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Not a hater but... (future prediction)

« on: February 11, 2017, 05:39:39 PM »

Well, the Wii was a certified hit, and you couldn't then.

The Wii U was a certified miss, and you couldn't for a while.

The Switch has potential to be a hit with Nintendo focusing on keeping production high but still being Nintendo.

So it could go either way.

For the Wii U, we were able to pick one up in the December a few weeks before Christmas following the launch at a local Best Buy with an abundant supply. Anecdotal evidence, but I remember it was quite easy to find.

Same story for me. From a local Walmart. The Wii U was not hard to find in early December.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Not a hater but... (future prediction)

« on: February 11, 2017, 01:31:23 PM »

Now, more than ever, it's up to third-parties to seriously deliver the goods.

Third-party support is one of the bigger problems facing the Switch. It's one thing for the unbreakable Kimi Shima and co to point out that the Switch is compatible with Unity and Unreal but that doesn't count for much if developers aren't going to bring their bigger titles to the Switch. Final Fantasy XV, RE VII, Mass Effect Andromeda etc. Where are they? Even Ubi aren't supporting the Switch in the same way they did the Wii and Wii U. EA only offering the legacy edition of FIFA? They offered more support to the Wii U. Nintendo need to be aggressive with their courting of third-parties, just like Microsoft did over ten years ago with the 360.
You talk about how excited your Xbox-loving boyf is for the Switch and that is great, but what is he going to play after Breath of the Wild? Is he going to wait two months to play a three year old game like Mario Kart 8? And even if Nintendo had that third party support, the games would still run better on the Xbone (or PS 4), so why is he so excited for the Switch? So he can play on a system with a significantly smaller library that plays at a lower frame rate/resolution? Outside of first-party software, the Switch is all but redundant, just like the Wii U. Oh, and let's not forget that you have to pay a premium price for the Switch. How many of us here are wii U owners paying well in excess of $400 to play Zelda and then Mario Kart 8 a couple of months later?
The best Nintendo could do, would be if at E3 they had a huge third-party presentation featuring all the biggest publishers/developers and all the big games that are coming to Xbone/PS4 were also announced for Switch. That is the best they could hope for. To have the same as the competition with noticeably less performance. But they won't even achieve that.

Isn't that only a rumor? I thought EA (or someone within EA) rejected that notion, and it's not yet proven to be the legacy edition.


Nintendo Switch will get a “custom built” version of FIFA 18

I have a negative outlook on third party support as well, but I'm cautiously optimistic that if the Switch even sells half as well as the Wii during its first year that we will see a sudden uptick in support from western third parties. Will that mean ports of FFXV, RE7, and ME:A? I still think that's unlikely, but we should see some other titles like Madden, NBA Live, Assassins Creed, etc.

I consider those tempered expectations, but assuming that "kind of support" doesn't enthuse you I'd also like to suggest that Switch would see focused support where titles arrive first on Switch with timed exclusivity before arriving on other platforms--I'm thinking about titles like a FFVI remake where Switch would be perceived as the ideal platform and assuming it's successful they would offer it to an expanded audience (ie. Steam, PS4). That's where my hope is.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Official Switch Game Announcements

« on: January 31, 2017, 09:45:08 PM »

Oceanhorn is coming to Switch.

That's old news and it was already on the list oh snap! Who just got told this time??

Dang it.


Yeah, but... but.... it just got confirmed 2 days ago!


 


Okay. You're right. I should have checked the list first.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Official Switch Game Announcements

« on: January 30, 2017, 10:51:07 PM »

Oceanhorn is coming to Switch.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Not a hater but... (future prediction)

« on: January 28, 2017, 12:10:40 AM »

The thing that really differentiated Metroid Prime for me was a combination of the environments (level of graphical detail) in combination with the story. There was a lot of discovery that really brought the game world to life. I felt as though I really had to pay attention to every detail.


Unfortunately, that really only works well when the console is a technical powerhouse and the game is attempting to showcase the graphical potential. 

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Official Switch Game Announcements

« on: January 26, 2017, 10:30:57 PM »

Soren, get off your ass and update.


Add Lego Worlds to the list of Switch games.


Also add World of Goo, Little Inferno, and Human Resource Machine.


These are all confirmed.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Switch Discussion (March 3, 2017 Release) -Updated OP-

« on: January 26, 2017, 10:25:43 PM »

Anyone else excited for Yooka-Laylee? I'm pretty pumped for this Banjo-esque platformer. Another game I wish received a bit of love during the Switch reveal. Nonetheless, it's due to release soon.

*raises hand*


I'm pretty likely to buy this so long as it doesn't crash and burn. Understandably, they've got to prove it's quality first, and then I'll buy.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Not a hater but... (future prediction)

« on: January 22, 2017, 09:18:34 PM »

Also, we should note. Wii U was the most Zelda deprived system. It had Hyrule Warriors, but so many people were waiting for Zelda to come out before they would buy a Wii U and it never did during its lifetime.

Also, lets put into perspective. NO MAINLINE FLAGSHIP TITLES CAME OUT FOR WII U. The closest to mainline games are Pikmin 3 and Star Fox, maybe DOnkey Kong but we know that in Nintendo's eyes those are B list titles. Nintendo has usually treated Zelda and Mario above all else. I'm not sure where Metroid fits in.

You don't consider Super Mario 3D World a mainline title?

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Not a hater but... (future prediction)

« on: January 22, 2017, 07:02:13 PM »

I know you said profit...

Then why are you talking about anything else? Valve and Nintendo, although operating in a similar market are vastly different companies. One area where they do overlap is the digital distribution of games, so let's take a look at that shall we?


First of all, let's start with Steam. Valve are quite cagey on sales/revenue and being a private company, they are under no obligation to reveal exact sales figures/revenue/profit details (I would be very interested to read the article/press release that you site claiming that "in Valve's best year (2014) their revenue was 1.5 billion, please post a link), but Steam Spy puts the figure for 2015 at $3.5 billion.
http://gearnuke.com/steam-sales-2015-valve-generated-total-3-5-billion-paid-games/




Now let's take a look at Nintendo with regards to online distribution. according to this article from Nintendo Life, it states that in 2015 the Nintendo eshop generated a revenue of just over 3 Billion yen, or or $270 million
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/04/nintendos_eshop_revenues_hit_a_new_high_driven_by_dlc_and_generation_i_pokemon


The article also states that 2016 was Nintendo's best year for online distribution but I don't have the Steam numbers for comparison.


So, going by 2015's numbers we have:


Steam revenue: $3.5 Billion
eShop revenue: $0.27 Billion


Also worth noticing is that some months on Steam eclipse the entire year of eShop. Also, GTA V alone accumulated half the revenue of the entire eShop.

As far as Sony and Microsoft are concerned, it's still not very comparable.

I'll just leave this little doozy here for anyone who may have forgot, courtesy of Eurogamer and many other outlets:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-04-28-sonys-psn-is-making-more-money-than-all-of-nintendo


Nintendo is a truly huge company and their revenue will reflect that, but good business management is what dictates profit... or lack thereof in Nintendo's case.

Because revenue like it or not is our primary indicator of how much money is coming into a business.


As for that Valve source, I don't have it. I see that Gearnuke article at the top of my search results now, and there's also numerous other results from 2015 stating Valve earned $1.5 billion in 2014, so you ought to already have my sources.


Here's my counterpoint: Even at this latest rumored amount of $3.5 billion, that's Valve at their high point. Nintendo is at $4.46 billion at their low point. Have a look at Nintendo's revenues going back to 2008.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/216622/net-sales-of-nintendo-since-2008/


When I said they're (meaning Microsoft, Sony, and Valve) just not very comparable, it's because of where Nintendo is at in comparison with where they've been. If you were around for the Gamecube, then you know that you don't bet against Nintendo. We will see this play out again.


To conclude, you are basically only here to state unfavorable facts about Nintendo. I'm not a Nintendo fanboy, and I hate the gouging that they do. And I don't even really like their decisions. Go ahead and bet against Nintendo. We'll just sit back and watch. And we'll laugh at you if they sell more than 5 million units in the first 12 months.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Official Switch Game Announcements

« on: January 22, 2017, 04:27:23 PM »

Hmmm, I thought the XBLA/PSN version had the option to change graphic styles. But, it's still a port. Sure it has a few new things, but are those new things worth an additional $25?

I thought I recalled that too, but Capcom's comments indicated this was some new feature to the game -- maybe it was in reference to the SNES. Either way, I already own it on Xbox LIVE and it's like $3 on PSN right now. There's no way I'd give $40 for it.

Expect it to be a budget title within 6 months.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Official Switch Game Announcements

« on: January 22, 2017, 01:22:41 PM »

Something even more interesting about Ultra Street Fighter 2 - it's a port of Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo HD Remix for Xbox 360/PS3 from over 8 years ago, and costs $40 instead of $15 (on Xbox Live Arcade/PSN).

It's actually not a port. It has two graphical-style modes (retro and HD), a new grapple-break mechanic, and two new playable characters.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Official Switch Game Announcements

« on: January 22, 2017, 12:42:15 PM »

I saw this on twitter and noticed it contains a few titles not yet listed in this thread.



Source: https://twitter.com/TheSwitchCast/status/822934476204507136

I'm happy to see Romance of the Three Kingdoms XIII and Nobunaga's Ambition. I found it a slight bit concerning when all we saw from Koei-Tecmo was Fire Emblem Warriors.

I also saw confirmation that NIS has several more titles in progress for the Switch in addition to Disgaea 5.

Now if only Switch could have the latest Madden football game, it would look fairly complete.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Not a hater but... (future prediction)

« on: January 22, 2017, 12:18:30 PM »

I think I get the sentiment with regard to these other gaming platforms, as the argument makes a lot more sense when you keep the financials out of it. As platforms go, Steam, Xbox Live, and PSN likely do see a lot more business. My Steam library has more than 500 games in it, so it would seem that the platform must be raking in the dough. This is where Nintendo as the mountain has managed to flex their traditional values and have never been anywhere close to "going third party" because... even when they lose they still profit from the first day till the last. This is the key difference for Nintendo versus those other guys.


Of course, as hungry consumers we ought to prefer those other platforms. They're a much better deal for us. As I said, I've got over 500 games to play at my fingertips with Steam, but how much money did Valve and the developers make from my purchases? On a majority of these, I would imagine less than $0.25. I would put money on the table Nintendo made more money off of my game purchases for the Wii U than my entire Steam library.


I give you: Nintendominance.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Not a hater but... (future prediction)

« on: January 21, 2017, 11:33:25 PM »

Knowing what an evidently greedy company they are

Other pessimism-preening aside, this sentiment never fails to inspire awe at how some people manage to view to world. Calling a company greedy is like calling a priest religious.

And yet Steam, Microsoft and Sony all manage to thrive and far exceed Nintendo when it comes to turning a profit precisely because they are not greedy. There is nothing naive in thinking companies should treat their customers fairly and offer them great value for money. It's what sells products.

Do you have any idea how far off you are? Valve isn't even in the same ballpark with Nintendo. Last year alone, Nintendo's revenue, which was at a low point, was $4.46 billion. In Valve's best year (2014) they were at about $1.5 billion. I know you said profit, but they're nowhere even close.

As far as Sony and Microsoft are concerned, it's still not very comparable. The Sony Playstation division was at about $6.6 billion in hardware revenue -- so, even at the best of times they're a couple billion more than Nintendo but $10 billion less than during the Wii era?? That's funny. Do we even need to talk about Xbox? Everyone knows that any profit from that division is a bonus in Microsoft's eyes.

So you're simply wrong. Maybe use a little less Amazon and a little more Google for your figures.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Not a hater but... (future prediction)

« on: January 21, 2017, 11:19:28 PM »

Youch man. Nintendo is the worst. We should rename the site to "Sega World Report"

Or Nintendo Worst Report.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Not a hater but... (future prediction)

« on: January 19, 2017, 10:14:20 PM »

I can see this system having legs. For as many details as I hate, there are a surprising number of people who want to play home console games anywhere.


I'll make a bold prediction. Switch + Pokemon = Switch is the #1 selling home console for the year.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: The Switch has more RPG's announced than the Wii U had retail.

« on: January 18, 2017, 10:50:47 PM »

I want to believe that, but Fire Emblem Warriors will be a dual Switch/3DS release. This makes me think it may be a slower conversion that we anticipated.


Pokemon would certainly help this along, but the most obvious choices for Nintendo seem to be the most difficult.


I will remain optimistic though.

I'm thinking the same thing regarding dual releases to 3DS. While it's not uncommon to continue support for the previous platform, there's also the fact that Nintendo continues to label the Switch as a home console that can be taken on-the-go. This has me worried that they might possibly keep Pokemon on 3DS and possible future iterations of the 3DS.


It's a total no brainer to me that the key to the Switch's success is definitely Pokemon. There is no bigger system seller than Pokemon.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: The Fantasy System

« on: January 18, 2017, 10:46:36 PM »

Don't forget 1080 Snowboarding!

Ubisoft's Steep is coming to Switch.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: I'm conflicted by the Switch

« on: January 16, 2017, 09:14:51 PM »

I love the idea of the Switch, but as a home console it's too underpowered compared to PS4 and Xbox One (so it won't get any multiplatform games), and it's too expensive as a handheld. I'm conflicted as to what Nintendo hopes to achieve with this system. For the past decade, third party developers have avoided Nintendo systems because their games sell better on Xbox and PlayStation systems, and I don't think the situation will change unless Nintendo actively goes after those developers.

I get that Nintendo doesn't care about competing directly with Sony and MS, and that's fine, but public perception of them has soured lately and they need all the help they can get to win over gamers again.

I completely agree with you regarding the price and the goal. I bolded a couple of things you said. The first one is completely unproven and is still just speculation. Considering the price, I think there's still a possibility that there is better hardware in the Switch than what Eurogamer reported. I also believe the rumor-dropping mouthpieces have updated their stories to reflect this possibility.


There's also a pretty solid reason why Nintendo is pricing this at $300 rather than $200. That reason is because they aren't showcasing this as a handheld. They view this as a portable home console. What's the difference, someone may ask? The types of games Nintendo is currently working on for it.


I wouldn't be so shocked as to sh*t a gold brick if Nintendo didn't put a mainline Pokemon game on the Switch. I'll just leave it at that for now.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?

« on: January 16, 2017, 08:56:13 PM »

Yeah, the price is the big problem. When I thought it could possibly be $200 (like by year's end, ie. Black Friday, etc) I was considering buying 2 of them so my wife and I could both play online together, etc. At a lower price, I was imagining being more forgiving of the underpowered hardware (only 2-3x more powerful than a Wii U), but now I'd say it had better be full blown next gen Tegra and closer to XB1 in power than to the Wii U.


My speculation is that Nintendo knows this too, hence the recent rumors of a more powerful dev unit just before the world presentation.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: 1st Party Switch Games: What will you realistically buy?

« on: January 15, 2017, 11:47:29 PM »

I can't select multiple games. It's radio-button.


I know I will buy Breath of the Wild, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, and Super Mario Odyssey. I'm also thinking I may take the dive into Splatoon 2. I'll only be interested in the Pokemon game if it's "Stars" or the next mainline Pokemon game, and if it is then I will definitely buy it.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?

« on: January 15, 2017, 11:36:58 PM »

Yes, some of the prices on accessories are a bit high. But I have two controllers ready to go for Bomberman with my boyfriend right out of the fucking box. That's exciting. I can't wait. Yes, I do want a Pro controller...but for now, it can wait until later.

I'm so ready for Switch, and I believe it's going to be a wonderful success for Nintendo once it catches on this holiday season later in the year.

A voice of reason! (AKA similar opinion to my own)

Curious, though- what would make these first six months better in the eyes of those who believe it is weak? I see a number of great games from Nintendo- a massive open-world adventure, a competitive fighter, a kart racing game, an online shooter, a party game... obviously if you want MORE of these, that is where third parties must come in. But even then, that's a pretty varied lineup from Nintendo.

What would make these first 6-months better is the thing I was looking for out of the presentation: a show of western developer support. We've about 7 months to go before the next Madden football game will be ready to ship. I want to see that franchise return to the Nintendo console. I was hoping to see some major ports of some other games similar to Skyrim. I'm sure we will see more titles announced as time goes by, but it's disconcerting when you consider what the Wii U started with for third party support.


I'm seeing a solid number of blockbuster games for the Switch in its first year. Some of us have asked what Nintendo has been up to all this time, and I think we've seriously overlooked ARMS because it looks silly. I rolled my eyes and I most definitely ignored this title when it was revealed. I think Nintendo could have taken a different approach to revealing this game if they wanted us to recognize it as a potential new blockbuster IP.


The thing is that I had a similar reaction to Splatoon when it was first shown, but now we see almost everyone clamoring for Splatoon 2. Splatoon has become a new ace up Nintendo's sleeve, and we need more Splatoons, which could be ARMS. If that game can get a following/community under it then suddenly Nintendo has carved out a nice selection of new online games to go with Smash Bros. and Mario Kart. I think everyone sees the crazy-appeal of Smash and Mario Kart, but then I think you see another style of online play from games such as Splatoon and ARMS, which are also totally different from each other.


I will be interested to see what kind of online gaming support the Switch receives. I'm curious to see if the Switch will get more ports of action games where online co-op is a major component.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Forum Snap Poll: How Sold Are You on the Switch?

« on: January 15, 2017, 05:49:17 PM »

I'm sure the HD rumble is pretty cool but it's just a trivial thing for Nintendo to put any effort into.  Unless it feels like sex I don't see how it will increase hardware sales at all and the impact something like rumble has on a game is so minor that no one will think the competing consoles are inferior because their rumble isn't as good.  It's like 3D on the 3DS was clearly something Nintendo thought would be a system seller and it just isn't a significant enough addition to the gameplay experience to be a selling point.  On the 3DS the nifty feature did not make up for the real issues the system initially had with price and library.  HD rumble is just a neat feature but the Switch is too expensive and seems hurting for games for the initial launch period.  So Nintendo put effort into something that really does not matter and have these other serious problems unresolved.  It's not like the people they assigned to work on HD rumble would necessarily have fixed one of these other problems if they hadn't been freed up to do so but it looks bad when there are obvious and serious problems that Nintendo should have made all effort to avoid having but they did a great job on this unnecessary feature no even thought to ask for and no one would miss if they didn't bother with it at all.

There are no problems with the Switch in Nintendo's eyes. This is their design, and now it's up to consumers to recognize that they need the Switch.