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General Gaming / RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3

« on: May 16, 2005, 05:13:11 PM »

I think they tried to make the fighters look too photo realistic, and that's why they seeem "off". Thankfully, most devs this gen seem to have realized that humans look better in games if they're slightly stylized.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Revolution Logos?

« on: May 16, 2005, 04:59:20 PM »

I like the first one. Compared to GameCube's, it's more...it has more sizzle, as Dennis Dyack would say. The GameCube logo was extremely, extremely cool....but it wasn't very attention grabbing.
Though the logo doesn't go very well with the text. Actually, the lmockups really illustrate that "Nintendo Revolution" is way too long of a name. Maybe "Revolution from Nintendo" isn't such a bad idea after all...  

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: REV's mainstream media coverage

« on: May 16, 2005, 04:51:40 PM »

agreed, the perm.
Actually, the cnn article did have a good quote on the matter: "While [the early launch] may tip the balance in Microsoft's favor, analysts said being first has often hurt game manufacturers in the past." I haven't seen anyone else say it, though.
What really kills me is that they completley miss the fact that while they chide Nintendo for being 'late' they completle fail to notice that beloved sony is doing the exact same thing. Furthermore, the media doesn't mention quotes where Nintendo said they would match Sony's launch date. And, when analyzing the upcomming launch, the media doesn't think to look back at other launches and draw comparisons. In fact, the media doesn't really seem to think much at all. Bleh.  

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General Gaming / RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3

« on: May 16, 2005, 04:32:22 PM »

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Don't get me wrong Paladin I also don't care if Rev is less powerful than other two, I'm just assuming if it is as powerful and even then alot of people will still say that Rev is weaker because it is smaller and that is something Nintendo should avoid happening.

                                                                         

Power just isn't that important. Small size will only help Nintendo, as long as the console looks sleek and cool. People understand that graphics have pretty much reached their peak and that technology is getting ridiculously small. People exclaiming 'wow, that thing's tiny!' is a huge plus (see also: powerbook, mac mini, ipod mini).

Right now it's looking like Nintendo will have the smallest system, the most innovative controller, the best launch game (I, know, too early to tell...but how can they not beat what Microsoft/Sony seem to be offering?), and out-of-the-box dvd playback. For the casual gamer, who chooses what he buys based on what he sees in the store display, these are all huge wins for Nintendo.  

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General Gaming / RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3

« on: May 16, 2005, 04:13:34 PM »

Am I the only one who thinks KillZone looks amazing? Same for Fight Night and Devil May Cry.
I know this was expected, but, wow, Xbox 360 suddenly seems so dated.

edit: the press release says launch will be in spring 2006. Actual launch date or tactic to eat into xbox 360's sales?
 

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General Gaming / RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3

« on: May 16, 2005, 03:53:30 PM »

lors of new games shown, apparently they "look incredible" http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614708p1.html
PYEdentify Voice Recognition Game ? Old west game from Rockstar. "super gory wolfenstein style fps" from insomniac.

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General Gaming / RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3

« on: May 16, 2005, 03:23:26 PM »

Aesthetically, the controller's pretty cool.
But no controller innovations at all? Not even a trackball? Score one for Nintendo.
I was really afraid Sony and Microsoft would take Nintendo's big talk and shove it in their face with unexpected awesomeness, but it looks like that won't be happening. So, hooray, I guess.

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General Gaming / RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3

« on: May 16, 2005, 03:03:12 PM »

Real picture and specs added at ign. [redundant link removed]. Round and sexy.

edit: it's the same as what caliban just posted.
Here's a direct link to the specs: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614682p1.html. Sounds good.    

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General Gaming / RE: Sony to show PS3 @ E3

« on: May 16, 2005, 02:49:25 PM »

It's official. PS3 is the name and it's launching in 2006. Backwards compatable. 1080 resolution. Online video chat.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124681.html
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614619p1.html  

edit: graphics hype. http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614678p1.html
Apparently, Getaway is "bloody amazing". And the cgi spiderman from the movies can run in real time on the ps3. (also, apparently the dinosaurs from jurassic park can run in realtime on the n64)
 

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Nintendo Gaming / REV's mainstream media coverage

« on: May 16, 2005, 01:08:53 PM »

If this is being discussed elswhere, I apologize.

The best coverage seems to be on the BBC. Here's their report on e3, currently their top story in the technology section. It actually isn't biased in favor of sony or microsoft.

CNN. TV coverage has been terrible. Today they had a report where they said Nintedo "announced" that they would be "late" in the upcomming console race, missing the "crucial 2005 Holiday season" where XBOX 360 would be launching. They mentioned Nintendo's negative tiku tiku tiku!  image, then said that, with Sony's apparent unveling on Monday (not sure if they meant today), it was looking like a "two horse race" this year (implying that the ps3 would launch this year).
But they actually have a fairly decent article on line here (though it does use the 360 as it's picture). It's currently the top story in it's technology section.

Microsoft-NBC. I haven't seen any TV coverage. The web coverage is pretty bad. Their E3 article  mainly focuses on the XBOX 360, PS3 and (to a lesser extent) the new Zelda. It has a funny quote:  'nintendo will show off the next "Legend of Zelda." And with no single game dominating the E3 expo floor as in years past, it's a total guess as to which title or titles are worthy of praise.'
After Nintendo released some more information about the revolution, MSNBC released this article, which takes that information and puts it at the very end of the article. The headline is "Nintendo's Revolution will have to wait", and the article mangages to get a whole paragraph about the xbox 360 in before talking about the known details of the Revolution.

Haven't seen anything on fox.

So, yeah, mainstream media coverage sucks for the most part. Not that we didn't already know that.
Thoughts? Anyone catch more mainstream reporting on revolution?    

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Hardcore Moms?

« on: April 28, 2005, 10:39:44 AM »

mmm.....I think it's a mistake to say that the average joe won't pay a lot of money for entertainment he enjoys. Adults who would never pick up a modern game controller spend money on Disney and the like, for example, and not always just with kids. I agree with Nintendo that the price of entry into gaming needs to be lowered, in any case. Not in terms of dollars, but in terms of the time someone has to spend just in order to get into today's games.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Revolution Secret 'Leaked' At Brokensaints (SPOILER)

« on: April 26, 2005, 01:43:55 PM »

well, it might not add to the gameplay, but 3d would add to the experience. In much the same way surround sound does now.
Imagine being near in an in-game explosion and having debris fall all around you. Imagine falling snow in 3d, imagine fluttering insects.
Imagine, in Mario, having butterflies flutter in front of your face. Imagine, in Metroid, having enemy fire hit you in the face. Imagine, in Zelda, having the head of your horse right beside your face, and Hyrule castle way off in the distance. Heck, just imagine playing starfox in 3d.

Playing a game in 3d wouldn't be like a gimmicky 3d movie with things constantly being thrown at you. It would put you inside the world....

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Revolution Secret 'Leaked' At Brokensaints (SPOILER)

« on: April 24, 2005, 02:24:22 PM »

What if the 3d was optional? Sure, you could make a game that requires 3d, or uses 3d in a gimmicky fashion to constantly throw stuff in your face. But then, you could also make a game that required 3d sound. And while games like Rogue Leader and Eternal Darkness are definitely a lot better with 3d sound, no game currently requires it. No game forces you to determine which direction a sound is coming from.

I think 3d could a lot to the game play experience. And it seems poised to make a big comeback, at least in Hollywood. If Nintendo decided to stay off the bandwagon until 2012 or whenever, that could be a huge missed opportunity.

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Pft, I think that's bull. From what I've heard, and it's from a pretty reliable guy in the know, it will be played on a normal TV.

What if it can be played on a normal tv with glasses, a special monitor without glasses (which would be used in store displays maybe?) and, optionally, without any 3d at all?

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:No Revolution at E3?

« on: April 23, 2005, 02:17:27 PM »

A seperate event (spaceword) might actually be better for Nintendo. Why? Because the newspaper headlines will read 'Nintendo finally unveils new, revolutionary console!' instead of 'the big 3 unveil latest consoles at E3'.

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True and she is the master of that but why give a non-answer? Fans are anxious about the Rev so if they're planning on showing something substantial it would be in their best interest to let us know everything's cool and we have nothing to worry about.

Well, hopefully Nintendo is learning it's better to lower expectations and then blow people away, rather than raise expectations and then wind up disappointing people.

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Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO, never delivers bad news in his "Steve-note" presentations. The bad news always comes out in advance to prevent people's expectations from becoming too high.

Yeah, apple's the best. Speaking of which, if some rumors turned out to be true, maybe the Revolution will be unveiled at the next MacWorld instead of E3?

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:General Revolution Talk

« on: April 20, 2005, 11:41:41 AM »

I think you've hit the nail on the head. suddenly, developing 3d games for a handheld will change from making really expensive handheld games to really cheap home console games. That could give Nintendo a huge edge over the PSP.......unless Sony includes a PSP reader in the PS2, which they prolly will.
Even so, I think a portable gamecube would have an advantage over a portable ps2-alike which can't actually play PS2 games.

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I would think that a handheld is such a different product than a home console that you would simply not be able to have previous games compatible. Everything has to be smaller, the controls are much different - out of necessity.

Not necesarily. If they can get portable DVD players, they can easily get a portable GameCube. Just need to make the screen big enough. multiplayer might be a problem, but if games could zoom into one of the picture-in-pictures...

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I seriously doubt that they would release a second portable right after
they released the DS portable. And at the same time as the REV.

the summer or christmas after the rev release would be a good time.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:REV's appearance and marketing

« on: April 19, 2005, 05:12:09 PM »

I've suddenly remembered an idea. I think it's mine, but I might have picked it up in a message board somewhere. Here it is: Alternate color choices are provided directly out of the box. How?  A strip of light is present around the sides of the console (or underneath, or somewhere else) that can change color according to your preference.

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I think Ninty should repeat what they did with the Gamecube, but with three colors this time...A standard color and two "stand-outs"...

I like this idea because I think it would actually make the neutral color feel more central and prominent.
But....I think marketing-wise it would be even better to follow DS's route: launch with one style... make the revolution unique, cool and easily identifyable. And then branch out with alternative styles/colors later.

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Well, I was counting in other threads too, though. Still a joke though.

Ah, didn't catch that you were joking. Sorry.
That picture has been linked to a whole bunch of times for some reason, but by people other than me. I really have only linked to it once (or twice) total.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Beta Revolution Pics?

« on: April 18, 2005, 04:30:29 PM »

I like it. I especially like the plain, gold Nintendo logo. I doubt Nintendo would have the guts to do that, but, very cool.  

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:REV's appearance and marketing

« on: April 18, 2005, 04:22:40 PM »

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wandering_nintendo_fan, you really have to stop posting that.

I've only posted it once (well, twice, if you count me quoting someone else).

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no, i believe it should be a neutral color (white, black, or silver)

I agree. But, there's no reason Nintendo can't have a nice secondary color for the REV. If the Xbox has bright green, and ps2 has blue...there's no reason Nintendo can't throw in a splash of red, or bright blue, or metallic green. I think the DS's completete lack of color hurts the system's appearance somewhat. Same thing for the black GameCube.  

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Big Media is Retarded: CNN says DS has two touch screens

« on: April 17, 2005, 05:13:54 PM »

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Okay, I know they're more of a political & worldly source and all, but PLEASE be a little more open-minded. That's just plain sad.

You know, every time a mainstream news source reports on videogames, or anything else that I actually know a good deal about....I can never believe how wrong they manage to get everything.
It finally dawned on me that they are probably that inaccurate about everything they report on. They probably rely on the fact that most of their viewers have never been to iraq, don't know much about science, don't listen to debates in congress that they summarize, etc etc. I'd imagine almost all news stories are broadly drawn and riddled with exaggerations and inaccuracies.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:N64 Games like to see get updated on Revolution

« on: April 17, 2005, 04:46:28 PM »

Superman 64. With commentary by Mike, Tom Servo and Crow.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: Beta Revolution Pics?

« on: April 17, 2005, 03:08:35 PM »

ahahahaha. yes. The excess fat drips directly onto your xbox gaming sytem.

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I wanted to say one thing about Revolution's appearance. My sandwich maker, and N-revolution's mockup, come kind of close to my ideal Rev system, but neither are quite there.
I want this thing to look like a minature flying saucer. Preferably silver, with a rounded top that has the Revolution's logo printed directly onto its surface. And I want it to light up - with blue or red light on its underbelly. That is my dream.

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:Beta Revolution Pics?

« on: April 17, 2005, 10:51:36 AM »

ah, you got my hopes my hopes up and then crushed them horribly, platinumknight.  

I like N Revolution's mockups aesthetically. Functionally......you might as well put gyros in a gamecube controller rather than go with that thing. Also, I like the slot-loading drive.....but I doubt one would work for differently-shaped media.

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also, i believe it was nemo who posted this link:

http://www.villagephotos.com/viewpubimage.asp?id_=12424902

I posted it originally. It's actually a sandwich maker that I taped a printed-out Revolution logo to. Glad you like it.






 

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: The Long Tail and Nintendo's Future

« on: April 14, 2005, 04:10:50 PM »

edit: I made this post before you made your second one. I agree with you regarding the advantages of a proprietary, top-down industry. And I feel like small improvements could be made in this upcomming generation to allow Nintendo to release more obscure titles. And, I changed my mind somewhat, I feel like big change could happen even with the industry staying the way it is.... but not until the generation after next. Okay, back to the original post:
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don't we already have distribution channels not limited by geography? We already have amazon, gamefly, import stores, and other online retailers. Not to mention regular game stores where I'm sure you can speacial-order games.
I guess if Nintendo created their own online store...and tied it in with on-demand game burning....then that might convine Nintendo to support more obscure titles. Or if they pursued some of the other stratagies listed here....like games that are burned in-store, rental-only games, etc....these things might help....
But...I don't think a strategy to fully take advantage of the 'long tail' and create a market filled with obscure games will be entirely viable until games can be downloaded directly to your game system. Then there'd be almost no overhead, and no distribution worries for Nintendo. But I don't think something like that will be viable until at least the generation after the one coming up. (which is sort of nice, because by then, games really will be photo-realistic, and people really will stop caring about graphics).  

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Nintendo Gaming / RE:The Long Tail and Nintendo's Future

« on: April 14, 2005, 03:28:07 PM »

I think pay-to-download is the future.
I'm not sure, in this generation, if games with modern graphics could take advantage of that.
But imagine if Nintendo started a new line of pay-to-download games with SNES quality graphics for 5-10$ a piece. Imagine if they could be downloaded directly with the Revolution, with no computer needed.  Imagine if they could be played on either the DS or Revolution. (specifically, the games would be put on a DS strorage add-on OR on internal storage located in the Revolution or Revolution controller.) Imagine if the games were licensed by Nintendo but could be made by just about anybody.

On another note, the proprietary nature of current game consoles really hurts. I don't know if you could fully take advantage of the 'long tail' in a Netflix/itunes music store manner unless a standard is reached and game systems act like VCRs/CD players: where all game systems can play all games. And where anybody can make and release a game without getting approval or being charged a licensing fee.  

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Nintendo Gaming / RE: REV's appearance and marketing

« on: April 13, 2005, 03:33:39 PM »

Sorry, one more thing I wanted to add:
I HAVE TEH REVOLUTION!!!!!111

Not really. But that's what I'd want it to look like.