Topic: Defecting to the Enemy Camp

[NWR_Lindy]

Again, you guys fail to understand. But it's NWR, so that's to be expected I guess.

Would you prefer us to be a Nintendo mouthpiece or propaganda machine?  There's a place you can go for that: it's called www.nintendo.com.

I'll readily admit that certain members of the site, myself included, have railed against Nintendo more than was necessary as of late.  I'm making a conscious effort to get away from lashing out like I have in the past, since it's not constructive.  But that doesn't mean I'm going to stop calling Nintendo out for stuff that I think they're doing wrong.  At the same time, I'm going to praise them for stuff they're doing right.

But don't get mad at me for your over-reaction to my criticism.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Again, you guys fail to understand. But it's NWR, so that's to be expected I guess.

Would you prefer us to be a Nintendo mouthpiece or propaganda machine?  There's a place you can go for that: it's called www.nintendo.com.

I'll readily admit that certain members of the site, myself included, have railed against Nintendo more than was necessary as of late.  I'm making a conscious effort to get away from lashing out like I have in the past, since it's not constructive.  But that doesn't mean I'm going to stop calling Nintendo out for stuff that I think they're doing wrong.  At the same time, I'm going to praise them for stuff they're doing right.

But don't get mad at me for your over-reaction to my criticism.

Don't let Lindy lull you into a false sense of security, he is secretly planning an attack on Nintendo HQ with both land and air giant crabs.

[Infernal Monkey]

Uh, nobody's getting mad here Silks. Unless you want me to pretend I am or something so we can have yet another fun thread!

[NWR_Lindy]

Nope, I'd rather avoid that entirely.

[D_Average]

Again, you guys fail to understand. But it's NWR, so that's to be expected I guess.

Would you prefer us to be a Nintendo mouthpiece or propaganda machine?  There's a place you can go for that: it's called www.nintendo.com.

Oops!  Looks like you forgot a couple letters!  Its www.gonintendo.com     

[Flames_of_chaos]

I'd hate NWR to go the way of gonintendo whenever RMC fetches stuff from neogaf he doesn't even see if they are credible sources or pieces of news. Some people on Neogaf lol'd when RMC reported something but ended up to be a made up thing from one of the forum posters. Neogaf has gonintendo censored/banned.

[Plugabugz]

Again, you guys fail to understand. But it's NWR, so that's to be expected I guess.

I have no opinion. I look i read i laugh i move on. Does that mean i fail to understand?

[NWR_pap64]

Again, you guys fail to understand. But it's NWR, so that's to be expected I guess.

No, I understand completely what you mean.

As we say around here, the problem is not that the NWR staff are upset at Nintendo or believe that Nintendo is abandoning the hardcore. The problem is how OFTEN they make the claims and how they say it.

No one likes constant ranting and bitching, no matter the subject. Its OK to vent if it really frustrating you, but when you do it often it annoys people and makes them feel as if you want to shove your thoughts down your throat.

This is something that happens often at NWR. It seems that a game can't be discussed without someone dropping angst onto the subject, or discuss the Wii's lineup without claiming it sucks. Granted, this sort of thing happens all the time (we are on the interwebs mind you), but that doesn't mean its any less annoying.

This thread is an example of this. I'm not anyone to tell Hal how to write a personal blog. If he wanted to chronicle his PS3 purchase, its his right. However, some of the comments reeked of spite and superiority, making it LOOK like he is somehow better for buying a PS3.

The NWR members are no better. We LOVE to rattle the hornet's nest and get a masochistic joy out of discussing a never ending debate where everyone ends up looking foolish.

Finally, the Nintendo angst IS getting old. Yes, Nintendo's E3 show sucked major amounts of ass. Wii Music holds little promise and yes, more core games should have been shown.

The second week of August is nearly upon us, and people are STILL talking about the E3 of phail. At this point we are beating a dead horse.

And now for the tl:dr version: The NWR staff has the right to whine and bitch, but whine, bitch and troll too much and it gets annoying. The annoyed members aren't making it better.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Best internet ever.

[Ceric]

How did I miss this?  I like my PS3 as a media machine and a PS2.  I really don't have a use for it as an actual PS3 except for Pixel Junk Monsters and a few other titles.  I got mine because I knew I wanted the backward compatibility so, I took the plunge.  I don't really regret it because it has been much more useful then my Wii...

[Ian Sane]

As we say around here, the problem is not that the NWR staff are upset at Nintendo or believe that Nintendo is abandoning the hardcore. The problem is how OFTEN they make the claims and how they say it.

Well no one's opinion has changed.  The issue is still relevent because the "problem" hasn't been "fixed" or even addressed.  And what the hell else is there to talk about?  Part of the problem with the E3 showing was so little was annouced.  So it isn't like there are all these great core games in the works to talk about and get hyped about.  If there was some big game on the way we could talk about that instead.  There is no big game to talk about.  That's the point.

Frankly I only consider something whining if things have changed, your problem is solved, and you're just complaining about something that USED to affect you but doesn't anymore.  If the problem is still there then why can't you complain about it?

Eventually though I figure if Nintendo doesn't address the core gamer neglect issue that everyone who cares about it will just give up on them and have no reason to visit this site anymore.

[Infernal Monkey]

You don't really count though, Ian. You gave up on video games like seven years ago and have trolled every single thread since, switching your complaints depending on the topic.

[Ian Sane]

You don't really count though, Ian. You gave up on video games like seven years ago and have trolled every single thread since, switching your complaints depending on the topic.

That's outrageous!  It's only been like three years.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

You don't really count though, Ian. You gave up on video games like seven years ago and have trolled every single thread since, switching your complaints depending on the topic.

7 years already?  My my, the GameCube lasted pretty long!

[DAaaMan64]

You don't really count though, Ian. You gave up on video games like seven years ago and have trolled every single thread since, switching your complaints depending on the topic.

7 years already?  My my, the GameCube lasted pretty long!

LOL, your an ass.

[TheYoungerPlumber]

My wallet's hurting a bit lately, since I snagged Boom Blox and then Mario Kart (I actually found on in-store today!), as well as FF IV DS last week. I have some PS2 titles yet to play in the reserves as well, but I'm certainly happy with my PS3 so far, and that's without it really being used as a PS3! (hah!) I wouldn't say there's a crapload of games I'm interested in for PS3 or 360 (out or upcoming), but there are certainly enough I'd like to check out.

[Khushrenada]

Eh, I say turnabout is fairplay.

When the PS3 was getting ready to be released and people started making negative comments about it, people loved posting that stuff. Especially when it was somebody who you thought should be trumpting Sony products like an editor of a Playstation magazine. So to me, just because people are negative with Nintendo wven if they are associated with something Nintendo, like a fansite, is just the nature of the beast. If one wants to mock those who do it against "enemy" consoles, one should be willing to accept it when it happens to their console.

The truth is, the game shortage (if you can call it that) is only a problem if you've owned a Wii since day 1 and have 48 titles already. I bought in a Wii in May this year. There are quite a few older titles I'd like to pick up as well as many DS games still and even a few rare Gamecube games. I'm not to worried about what the rest of the year holds. I may have too many games to play already anyways. It helps too if you try not to buy games at full price. Looking for the best deals on games allows you to buy more games but it also means that you don't buy every game you can. If you're waiting for something to lower it's price, you'll always have games to buy in the future. However, this advice is not for everyone.

I still stick to one console only for my gaming needs. I do consider a console a big investment not only in money but in time as well and while there are some games that interest me on other consoles, I just don't think it's worth the time or investment to get more than one console. As well, I really don't pay much attention to what the other consoles offer. It may seem like living in a bubble but the truth is, why should I care? I made my choice to go with a certain console and I'm going to stick it out with that console. Even if the amount of games I end up getting for the Wii are less than the amount I picked up for the GameCube or DS, at the end of the day, it will still be more than I would have wanted from either of the competitors so for me, it's a good choice come rain or come shine.

And then there's retro gaming. I still play games from my old systems because I love those games and start longing to play them again. There's the time factor again. Do people just stop playing old games and keep hoping from one new thing to the next?

It's sort of like movies. Truth is, there isn't a whole lot that interests me in the coming months. The only movie I know I'm going to on opening weekend is Quantum of Solace. There are a couple of movies that I might go to if I learn more about them or see more details. That doesn't mean I'm out of luck. There are still other movies that have been released that I want to see as well as many classic films I've never seen yet. People are too busy only looking at what's ahead they miss what's already around them and what they have already passed by.

[Khushrenada]

Dang, my posts are big blocks of text. I try not to do that because people will skip by them but I guess that's just me.

[KDR_11k]

It helps too if you try not to buy games at full price.

No it doesn't, not at all. Nintendo stated they won't do pricedrops anymore so waiting for them just leaves you with no games. I've got 12 games in total (including Wii Play and Sports) despite getting my Wii a week after launch and there's no games in the back log that I have any desire left to purchase (that desire peaks at release or a bit before that and slowly degrades, by the time I can afford a game it's already hit zero). Looking for good deals on the Wii is futile, there are none (unless you enjoy garbage like Barnyard or Bratz).

[Infernal Monkey]

Nintendo rarely ever discount games. Luckily shops do though!

[Morari]

It's sort of like movies. Truth is, there isn't a whole lot that interests me in the coming months. The only movie I know I'm going to on opening weekend is Quantum of Solace. There are a couple of movies that I might go to if I learn more about them or see more details. That doesn't mean I'm out of luck. There are still other movies that have been released that I want to see as well as many classic films I've never seen yet. People are too busy only looking at what's ahead they miss what's already around them and what they have already passed by.

Robbing yourself of seeing the X-Files?! Poor, poor boy.

This new James Bond looks better suited for an SS uniform anyway. His facial structure just reeks of that stereotypical film Nazi look.

[Khushrenada]

X-Files is already out. Thus not part of movies yet to come but part of the movies that have been released that might be worth seeing.

While the new Bond may not be the most handsome, he might be the closest to Ian Fleming's original interpretation of him. A man with looks closer to the common man i.e. rough features, and thus look a little out of place in the high-society world he now navigates. You saw that in Casino Royale where he gets tossed a set of car keys as though he were a valet and when Vesper says he wears his suit with scorn.

KDR_11K:

Like Bill said, you can find deals at game stores if you don't mind buying used games. Honestly, you can often get a game still brand new with all the instruction manuals and unscratched case this way. It sucks that Nintendo doesn't want to lower prices this generation but there are other ways around. You just have to keep your eyes open. What often happens is that after awhile, the store will get a whole stack of the same game used and lower the price on those used games to start clearing stock. Sometimes a store will drop $20 off the price for a week. You just have to keep your eyes open.

The hardest thing about this generation is peripherals. Even if you can get the game cheap, you still may need to buy some peripheral for it. It's a hard generation to find deals. Fortunately, the DS and GC still have things to offer. I just found Beyond Good and Evil for $9 last night. I have my weekend planned. Still, the Wii isn't even 2 years old yet so I'm not worried, the deals will come.

[KDR_11k]

Used games are like 5€ off (and often don't even follow when the game gets a pricedrop, there's plenty of used games that you can get CHEAPER new!), wow, what a deal. Sure, I do see special sales on used games, usually really old ones (and when it's not old ones it's bad ones). I could have gotten XBox or PS2 (or GC but I think I bought pretty much everything I ever considered on that system) games for cheap I guess...

[Morari]

Indeed. Used games aren't worth it when you can buy the title new for just a few bucks more. I did just pick up Wave Race: Blue Storm for $5 in and of itself the other day.

[KDR_11k]

Well, it takes a VERY long time for games to drop that low so of course there are none for the Wii (save for a few shitty movie tie-ins from the near-launch period).