I think Pro's post basically sums up the whole argument and closes it. People who have addressed his posts have not even begun to argue his points and mostly either try to deflect or just repeat something as if a second time will make something wrong into something right.
Basically the points are:
1. Nintendo is heavily criticized no matter what their market positions are and no matter what games they make, what their content is, or how good they are. No explanation has been given for this yet. (Except maybe by the threads title)
2. Nintendo is accused of being lazy when, if accepted as true, third parties have been exponentially more lazy with ports to low-budget spinoffs to sometimes absolute dreck (Like Konami and Target Terror) and Matt has never thrown his obviously important opinion to dissuade any of them from their courses of action.
To quote Pro's post: "Why is it bad for Nintendo to have a few games that probably had "lower" budgets when 3rd parties got to squeeze out SOFT-SERVED ASS-CREAM with at best "no" comment, and at worst a scathing indictment of NINTENDO for the 3rd parties' awful games?" We're somehow still blaming Nintendo here for some reason. Blaming the victim is always classy. To respond to points that Nintendo "set a low bar," well, no. They didn't do that with their first game for the Wii, which was Twilight Princess. 3rd parties chose to ignore it an set their standards to making games that were awful copies of Wii Sports. Nintendo offering titles that had high and low budgets forced 3rd parties to willfully choose the low budget because THEY wanted to scrimp and save money, not Nintendo. Suffice to say, this argument has holds no water based on actual data.
3. Nobody here has addressed a dichotomy that has been an issue for two generations, being that Nintendo is hated when they make fantastic games because it drives third parties chances down, and only recently when Nintendo has had a few games that opted not to cost $60 million that third parties (and some fans) are now clamoring for Nintendo to make higher budget and more first party games because when the market is left to the choice of picking between no new Nintendo game for a while and the majority of 3rd parties' titles at any given moment, they will choose either nothing or older Nintendo titles. This links to #1 in that Nintendo has literally no place to stand on the budget/frequency spectrum without being yelled at by a third party or a few vocal fans.
4. Pro makes an EXCELLENT point about Wii owners scorn for third parties because they are frequently low-budget drivel. Now that it's apparently bad to not go "all-out" on titles, does that retroactively exonerate anybody chastised for not wanting to buy third party experiments or spinoffs? It's like getting onto your honor student for not turning in his homework fast enough when the rest of the class hasn't even shown up for weeks. The double standard is so obvious Stevie Wonder sees it.
And now to specific quotes:
At least the 3rd party situation has improved fairly dramatically these past few months, with titles such as A Boy & His Blob; Dead Space Extraction; and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories.
So... A Boy and his Blob. a literal 2-D games that uses none of the Wii's "power" is an example of a game that Nintendo should look to, when the game they are being bitched out about, NSMBWii, is miles ahead in both graphics and design. And somehow a remake and a Dead on Announcement spinoff are not evidence of "phoning it in?"
This article is spot on (and believe me, he rails on 3rd parties plenty, just listen to any NVC show from 2008).
Ooo~ whoopee~ He certainly showed them on a Podcast. How about an actual article? And "plenty" is precisely the problem. It should be "mostly" or "almost all of the time." Just by having a different standard for third parties than Nintendo, he is allowing them to get a pass for making games much worse than any being discussed here.
He's b##ing b/c he's a huge Nintendo fan.
About like Lieberman is a Democrat. (Politics zomg)
The real reason Matt is b###ing is simply he knows what could be and we're just not saying it.
Actually the reason is because he wants to drive site hits and see if he can gain anything by peddling influence and threatening to use his site as a bully pulpit if he doesn't get his way, so far as to break a Samus toy in defiance, but we're just not saying
that. I mean jeez, he's a full grown MARRIED man who's acting like a spoiled brat and an internet troll at large. It seems like everybody has to deal with that kind of idiot around them these days.