Topic: Harrison Speaks at Camp Hyrule

[Mario]

Man, TP is such a god damned failure now. The worst part about this is that it was shaping up to be the BEST GAME OF ALL TIME. Now it's just a gimmick game to make Nintendo a quick buck and even more money from some people buying both versions. How could Nintendo do this? I'll never understand this as long as I live. If the GC version isn't released here (it probably wont be) i'm boycotting this for real. Such a shame.

They should have either gone all out and made it for Wii to stop it from being a gimmick or just kept it on the GC and we could be playing it already and looking forward to the real Zelda Wii. The reason the Wii version will be a gimmick is because it literally is just a GameCube game with a different control scheme shoehorned into it, it's outclassed by games like Rayman and Wii Airplane both visually and control wise, it gives off the aura of a shareware game made from a limping team of 50 year old developers who can code websites and live with their parents. Now with these tiny "extra features" with visuals or Wii Connect or whatever that degrades the GAMECUBE version as well, so EVERYONE LOSES. Gamers will NEVER EVER be able to get the "full" Zelda TP experience, it's either this or that, when it doesn't even HAVE to be. It's pure greed from Nintendo, FULL STOP.

People say stuff like this about a lot of Nintendo games but they are ACTUALLY DOING IT with this. Absolutely disgusting.  

[Pale]

So I'm at E3 right?  Day 1 and Day 2 go by.  I don't get to play TP...

All I listen to is how everyone hates the Wii controls.  Finally, literally a half hour before they kick us out of the booth on day three, I get my chance to play it.  I was incredibly impressed.  I thought it played extremely well.  I shot the guys with the bow and arrow with no issues.  I aimed my boomerang with no issues.  I loved the freaking game.

I just wanted to point out that not all who played it thought the controls sucked, but everyone is open to their opinion.  

[Louieturkey]

Sounds to me like they want both versions to sell.  If they included GC controls in the Wii version, there would be no point for the GC version at all.  To me, this is Nintendo throwing a bone to all the loyal GC owners who don't want to or can't upgrade yet.

[Bill Aurion]

Oh, I must have accidentally come to PLANET WHINECUBE by mistake...

[wandering]

Planet WhineCube? I hear they bitch about EVERYTHING over there.

Anyway. I will wait to hear from people who have put several hours into both Zelda versions before I decide which one to get.

As far as the Wii controls go, I'm not worried about aiming (people's main complaint seemed to be that it was 'too hard.' But when some designers wanted to make it easier, Miyamoto apparently turned them down because he wanted it to feel like you were actually aiming a bow, which takes skill.) What I AM worried about is using the nunchaku for spin attacks and the like, which, according to some reports, could wind up being as finicky as Dr. Kawashima's hearing. But we'll see.

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Although to be honest at this point Im very doubtful of the quality of the game.

ARRRRGGGHHHH.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

HEY, that must be the new site name!

cunferm/denie?

[PopeReal]

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Oh, I must have accidentally come to PLANET WHINECUBE by mistake...

I was thinking the same thing.  I just don't understand why people are upset that Nintendo is giving them two ways to play this game.  If you want your old school Ocarina of Time conrols you got it, if you want something a little different, you got it.  What exactly is the problem?  

[Arbok]

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I was thinking the same thing.  I just don't understand why people are upset that Nintendo is giving them two ways to play this game.  If you want your old school Ocarina of Time conrols you got it, if you want something a little different, you got it.  What exactly is the problem?

Some were hoping for both in the same package. It's like someone selling a foreign film dubbed in one DVD release, and selling a different one subtitled at the same time. Most will probably want one or the other, some would like both though without having to buy each of them.

Personally, this news doesn't really effect me much, but I can see why some are disappointed.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Oh, I must have accidentally come to PLANET WHINECUBE by mistake...

I was thinking the same thing.  I just don't understand why people are upset that Nintendo is giving them two ways to play this game.  If you want your old school Ocarina of Time conrols you got it, if you want something a little different, you got it.  What exactly is the problem?

Well I think some (not me) think that including the Wii controls somehow detracted from the refining of the games gameplay. To me, that sounds to be a flawed argument because the Zelda TP team is quite large and there is no reason why they couldn't have dedicated people to controls while others refined the gameplay. If I recall, TP has been in development longer than Zelda: OOT and is using the Wind Waker engine. Combine that with the fact that the GC is easier to develop for, I do not see how gameplay is going to suffer!

[Ceric]

I think it's ok between the two.  Deep down I know that I will consider WW to be the GameCubes Zelda.  I'll probably not consider TP to be any systems Zelda.  Just a good Zelda game like Four Swords.  Especially if we get the one totally intended for it.  I reserve the right to change my opinion.  I will more then likely get the Wii version of this game but not until after Christmas.  Why? Well I have a heavy course load and there are a fair amount of shorter less involved games that I like to play.  You guys can tell me all about it till then.  I have faith that this will turn out fine.  You don't dedicate an E3 to a game and then Nerf it.

[EasyCure]

this is one of those threads that makes you want to pull your hair out...

to all ranters:

did you really expect them to put gc controls into the wii version of TP? why did you think they made two seperate versions anyway, if it was that easy they would of just had a fwd compatible GC game that would allow for motion controls when loaded into the Wii. we didnt get that, they told us they'd have two sku's and that the wii version would have motion controls. they've told us numerous times that Wii games wont use the gc controllers. i dont see how any of you could actually of believed you could simply by the wii version of TP and use your GC controller. what would be the point of making two seperate sku's for the game?

and if you bother reading up to this point before replying back with "well brawl will use the GC controller, and so will DBZ!" keep in mind that those games are still in development and are using gc controllers with their dev kits. they could very well end up using the retro-controller. remember, wii runs in two modes: gc mode and wii mode. when in wii mode the system doesnt even acknowledge whatever peripherals you have plugged into it (ie gc controllers, wavebirds, memory cards, even the gba link). with that said, you'd technically be wrong anyway so dont bother.

nintendo is doing you the favor by even releasing the GC version at this point. they said themselves they were keeping their promise that its a gamecube game, but also giving players the option of trying out the title with a new control scheme for those who are able and ready to jump into their new generation of video games. if all you want to do is play it on the gc, thats ALL you have to do. buy that version and play it on your gamecube, or Wii and use the gc controllers. just because theres a second version out there, that you probably had no interest in from the beggining, doesnt mean that the version you want is flawed, it doesnt doom the series, and it wont bankrupt nintendo. so stop being babies

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: EasyCure
this is one of those threads that makes you want to pull your hair out...

to all ranters:

did you really expect them to put gc controls into the wii version of TP? why did you think they made two seperate versions anyway, if it was that easy they would of just had a fwd compatible GC game that would allow for motion controls when loaded into the Wii. we didnt get that, they told us they'd have two sku's and that the wii version would have motion controls. they've told us numerous times that Wii games wont use the gc controllers. i dont see how any of you could actually of believed you could simply by the wii version of TP and use your GC controller. what would be the point of making two seperate sku's for the game?

and if you bother reading up to this point before replying back with "well brawl will use the GC controller, and so will DBZ!" keep in mind that those games are still in development and are using gc controllers with their dev kits. they could very well end up using the retro-controller. remember, wii runs in two modes: gc mode and wii mode. when in wii mode the system doesnt even acknowledge whatever peripherals you have plugged into it (ie gc controllers, wavebirds, memory cards, even the gba link). with that said, you'd technically be wrong anyway so dont bother.

nintendo is doing you the favor by even releasing the GC version at this point. they said themselves they were keeping their promise that its a gamecube game, but also giving players the option of trying out the title with a new control scheme for those who are able and ready to jump into their new generation of video games. if all you want to do is play it on the gc, thats ALL you have to do. buy that version and play it on your gamecube, or Wii and use the gc controllers. just because theres a second version out there, that you probably had no interest in from the beggining, doesnt mean that the version you want is flawed, it doesnt doom the series, and it wont bankrupt nintendo. so stop being babies

Yeah but,but,but Nintendo put all their resources in the TP Wii control and decided that gameplay was no longer a priority. TP has been in production longer than OOT but it will still be the sucks because they included Wii controls and that also means the GC version is the sucks.

[sycomonkey]

I still think they could have added Wii functionality in software to a Gamecube centric disc, much in the way that the Zelda Oracle series detected it when you played the game on a GBA instead of a Gameboy Color.  But they didn't, so we'll deal.

Regardless, considering how fantastically awesome Wind Waker was, if all TP turns out to be is a longer version of WW with more dungeons and Ocarina stylization, I'll still be completely overjoyed.

As one of the few thousand people or so who actually played TP at (the last real) E3, I can say with complete confidence that as long as the Wii has sensitivity settings, we should be looking at the finest Zelda game since Ocarina of Time.

[Athrun Zala]

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I still think they could have added Wii functionality in software to a Gamecube centric disc, much in the way that the Zelda Oracle series detected it when you played the game on a GBA instead of a Gameboy Color.  But they didn't, so we'll deal.

not really, because the controls are radically different, thus the overall difficulty of the game changes (some things are easier to do with the Wiimote than the GC controller and viceversa)