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Re: Rate The Last Game You Played
« Reply #475 on: February 17, 2012, 09:55:10 PM »
It's been a while since I've done one of these. I have a lot of games to cover, so I'm going to split them up for the sake of readability, the digital download games first:

The Simpsons Arcade Game - A freebie from PS+, I was very wary about playing this one since I've absolutely loathed the last few "classic arcade beat 'em ups" I've played (TMNT: The Arcade Game on XBLA and Turtles in Time: Reshelled on PSN).  I'm also not a fan of the Simpsons, having never found them particularly funny.  Now that I've beaten it, though, I have to admit it holds up much better than those games have.  The areas are short and have a fair amount of variety, the visuals hold up decently in HD, the enemies aren't as utterly cheap as they usually are in these coin-munching brawlers, and there's a good rhythm to combat and progression.  It's nowhere near the greatest brawler I've ever played, but it was tolerable.  I could see myself playing it again.

Inferno Pool - Another PS+ freebie, this is a nice and simple billiard game that's easy to learn (the default difficulty provides the player with guides so you can see where the balls will initially head upon impact, a very handy feature) and fun to play.  The control you have over your cue with the analog stick feels exactly right.  With only 3 modes (the survival-based "Inferno Pool", and standard 9 and 8-ball modes.  All are available in solo and multiplayer play) and no visual spectacle whatsoever, I don't think I could recommend it as a purchase but it's definitely not a bad game and is very accessible.

Shank 2 - I'm not the world's biggest fan of the original Shank, but it was a unique and fun experience for what it was.  The sequel is very odd, though, in that it is mechanically superior to the original in just about every way possible (aside from the lack of a co-op campaign this time), yet I found myself liking it a lot less.  The plot is nebulous and wandering, the mobs of enemies often feel "cheap" rather than "challenging", and there's just not a lot of momentum to the game.  It's a game that tries to present itself as cheesy, over-the-top 80s action movie fluff, but it doesn't feel as fun or interesting and I often finished levels feeling bored or disappointed.  Would I recommend it, though?  Eh, I guess, if you liked the original Shank.  The controls feel a lot more responsive and combat/dodging is easier to perform now.  The game just feels like it's missing that special "something" that makes the experience memorable.

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Re: Rate The Last Game You Played
« Reply #476 on: February 17, 2012, 11:27:05 PM »
Alright, now that the DD games are out of the way, let's talk about 3 PS3 disc-based games (all of which I've fully completed & Platinum-ed):

Final Fantasy XIII-2 (Platinum #50) - I really liked Final Fantasy XIII (it's up there in my top 3 Final Fantasy games, along with X and VI), but I can understand why many didn't.  It's a very divisive game that boldly tried to focus on its story, characters, battle system, and momentum rather than typical RPG filler and fluff.  As such, I was rather nervous when Square-Enix publicly announced that they were essentially following a checklist of FF 13 complaints to "fix" the system for 13-2.  The system wasn't broken.  It just needed to give the player more to do and introduce its systems quicker.

So as someone who really enjoyed 13, did its checklist and committee-driven sequel live up to my standards from the first game?  No, not really, but it is still an enjoyable JRPG with probably a broader appeal for those who thought the first game was a little lacking.  If you absolutely hated everything about 13, move along.  This game won't change your mind.

My big problem with the game is that in an attempt to "fix FF 13", the developers broke many of the aspects that made the first game interesting and unique.  For example, people complained that they didn't have enough control over their party in 13.  Rather than just give full party control from the outset, the developers limited the party to 2 fixed characters and a 3rd slot permanently devoted to captured monsters in the game's utterly pointless (but functional) Pokemon-esque monster taming system.  Instead of more freedom over your party, you actually have less.  You can change your party leader whenever you want (including when one falls in battle, rather than an instant Game Over), but as you can only have 3 single-role monsters in your "Paradigm Pack" (rather than a real 3rd party member with 6 roles) you are far more limited in your combat flexibility.

Throw in the fact that the game is so nonlinear (and nonsensical) in its progression and that tamed monsters grow in power very quickly, and you find very quickly that it is extremely easy to break the game.  For all the complaints about how FF 13 left the player with fixed parties in odd configurations, that game made you appreciate roles such as the Stat Buff-oriented Synergist and Status Effect-dealing Saboteur.  You needed to use those roles effectively to survive that game.  In FF 13-2, monsters are killed too easily (even in the post-game content) and there's very little variety in the Paradigms that are actually practical, meaning that there's really no reason whatsoever to use the Synergist or Saboteur roles.  You can simply power through confrontations with little to no strategy involved.  It's a major disappointment with me.

The story is also a disjointed mess, supposedly "inspired" by Chrono Trigger and yet learning nothing from it.  Cause and Effect are very rarely linked, and story progression often makes very little sense.  The main villain has a great motivation, but his plot is nonsensical and his relationship with Noel is very poorly explained until the last few hours of the game.  Serah is almost a complete non-character, and Lightning (and the other FF 13 party members, outside Hope) is barely in the game.  The entire plot hinges on the existence of a never-before-mentioned deity, who you would think might have come up in the previous game considering the master plan of that game's main villain.  The game ends on a massive cliffhanger, which is already notorious on the internet but really didn't bother me because I thought the story built a good momentum towards the end and wrapped-up in a bizarrely logical fashion.

Then there's the DLC.  Wow, this has to be one of the most blatant examples of content-cutting that I've ever seen in a modern game.  The game's battle coliseum is displayed prominently in the story, but there's nothing for the player to do there without paying for DLC battles.  The in-game casino has Chocobo Racing and a single useable slot machine, but characters will flat-out tell the player that the rest of the casino will be playable later via DLC.  There are several inaccessible Historia Crux locations that can't be accessed at all at the moment because they are dedicated to sidestory content about FF 13 characters that will come...all together now!...later via DLC.

Despite these issues, I did appreciate the greater degree of player freedom in what you can do and where you can go.  The monster catching system, while tacked-on and pointless, does function very well and can be fun at times.  Environments are bigger, the soundtrack is still excellent (despite all the internet bitching that was done over two songs from it), and sidequests are fairly plentiful for a Final Fantasy game.  I'm just disappointed in how weak and loose the story is until very late in the game.  It is a good game that I really enjoyed, but it falls short of being a great one.

Well, that's a lot of text for one game, so I'll put the other two PS3 games in a separate post.

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Re: Rate The Last Game You Played
« Reply #477 on: February 17, 2012, 11:48:34 PM »
The Darkness 2 (Platinum #51) - My only experience with the first Darkness was a brief playthrough of the PS3 demo, which failed to impress me with its wonky controls and somewhat boring progression.  After playing The Darkness 2 (which, by contrast, has an excellent and entertaining demo), however, I kind of want to go back and give the first game another chance.  The Darkness 2 is an excellent and inventive shooter that plays great and looks even better with a new cel shaded art style that's both visually striking and memorable.  And hey, it's a rare FPS with a strong focus on character motivation, development, and story that almost makes me want to pick up the comics.

Whereas the first Darkness was supposedly a free roaming experience, The Darkness 2 is a mostly-linear series of levels against mobs of goons with the occasional boss fight.  It's also a fairly short game at around 6-7 hours, and while I can understand why these design decisions would turn-off certain players, the game has a strong emphasis on experimentation and ends just when the game mechanics are starting to grow old.  I've seen complaints about "you just seeing the same executions over and over again", but from my experience the game is only as repetitive and tedious as the player wishes to make it, and as mobs increasingly start carrying light sources and shields to disable your darkness abilities I found that solid crowd control and target prioritization became increasingly vital.  I would often find myself desperately scrounging through environments for anything I could throw at enemies for a quick decapitation or to pick off a light source.  The gunplay became almost (as Greg Leahy would say) "perfunctory", and I was rarely bored.

The Darkness 2 is just an incredibly fun game, with plenty of gameplay variety for my tastes, a satisfying story that's told surprisingly well, and a healthy dose of incredibly violent and gory content.  Is the short SP Campaign worth the $60?  For me it was, though I can see most people wanting to wait for a price drop to $40.  There's a tacked-on Left 4 Dead-style multiplayer mode that's not completely terrible, but the SP campaign is the game's strength and that's probably not enough for most people.

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« Reply #478 on: February 18, 2012, 12:05:55 AM »
OK, let's wrap this up:

Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy (Platinum #52) - I never played the Jak & Daxter games on the PS2.  I was always a Sly Cooper fan, so it was nice to pick up the Jak & Daxter Trilogy HD Collection and finally try these games out.  I started playing this game yesterday, and I found myself looking up 12 hours later to see that I had 100%-ed the game in a single sitting.  Yeah, I think there's a pretty good chance I liked the game.   ;)

Super Mario Sunshine was to me Nintendo learning all the wrong lessons from Super Mario 64 and Banjo-Kazooie, leading to an incredibly lame and boring game.  By contrast, the first Jak & Daxter to me was Naughty Dog learning the right lessons.  Like Super Mario 64 and Banjo-Kazooie, the player has near-total freedom over what they do and where they go, and unlike Sunshine there's actual environmental variety in Jak & Daxter 1.  When the player enters an area (with no load times, btw), they are free to wander wherever they please, pursuing any given goal that interests them at that very moment.  It's very satisfying and addicting as the game enters a very relaxing and consistent flow.  Whereas Nintendo ignores "story" in their games as if it's a deadly plague, Jak & Daxter at least makes an attempt to tell a grander story with more-memorable characters.  It's annoying that Jak is a silent protagonist and Daxter can often be annoying, but over time I found both likeable in their own ways.

It also helps that the character animation is fantastic, and the game just looks fantastic in HD (though, IMO, not as great as the Sly Cooper games on their respective HD collection due to their cel shading).  Mass Media (who I really should have heard of before now given that they were the developers of the StarCraft 64 port that was the inspiration for my internet user name) did a fantastic job with the HD conversion.  Unfortunately, unlike previous Sony HD collections, there are no new extras, which is baffling considering the Playstation Blog recently premiered a 20 minute retrospective documentary on the original Jak & Daxter.  That really couldn't have been on the disc?

I found the later areas of the game more annoying and tedious than endearing, and the final boss is just downright cheap (I really don't like how this game handles health restoration), but overall I really liked the game.  It's a welcome walk down memory lane back to when 3D platformers were what the FPS genre is now.  I just hope I like the other two Jak & Daxter games as well, since I know they take a radical tone towards GTA-style open worlds and emo brooding.

Well, between the remaining two J&D games and Rayman Origins, I have a lot of games still left to play, so I'll leave this lengthy series of posts at that.

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Re: Rate The Last Game You Played
« Reply #479 on: February 18, 2012, 03:51:06 PM »
Final Fantasy XIII-3 (Platinum #50) -

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« Reply #480 on: February 18, 2012, 04:25:02 PM »
Final Fantasy XIII-3 (Platinum #50) -

Now hold on there. Are you from the future?

Oops.  I usually catch stuff like that on my proofread, but I had a lot to proofread last night.  To be fair, though, FF XIII-2's ending does make it utterly clear that there will be a FF XIII-3, whether Square-Enix wants to admit it right now or not.   ;)
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« Reply #481 on: February 18, 2012, 07:46:08 PM »
At least we won't have to think about a Final fantasy XV until the next generation of consoles.

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« Reply #482 on: February 18, 2012, 09:56:28 PM »
At least we won't have to think about a Final fantasy XV until the next generation of consoles.

As I don't consider the FF 11 and 14 online games "canon" (if you will) in terms of numbered Final Fantasies, the way I see it...

FF X-2 = "FF XI"
FF XIII-2 = "FF XIV"

So by that logic, the presumed Final Fantasy XIII-3 will be "FF XV" on this console generation.   ;)
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« Reply #483 on: February 18, 2012, 10:49:30 PM »
Hahaha I see your point, but someone at Square Enix thinks differently and we can't do anything about it. Heck they even have Versus whenever that's coming out.

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« Reply #484 on: February 18, 2012, 10:55:24 PM »
At least we won't have to think about a Final fantasy XV until the next generation of consoles.

As I don't consider the FF 11 and 14 online games "canon" (if you will) in terms of numbered Final Fantasies, the way I see it...

FF X-2 = "FF XI"
FF XIII-2 = "FF XIV"

So by that logic, the presumed Final Fantasy XIII-3 will be "FF XV" on this console generation.   ;)

Same here. I'm playing all of them in order and I  played X-2 instead of XI and I will play XIII-2 instead of XIV

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« Reply #485 on: February 18, 2012, 10:56:41 PM »
Isn't the whole concept of canon irrelevant when most games in the series exist in their own separate universe, independent of any of the others?
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« Reply #486 on: February 18, 2012, 11:07:08 PM »
Isn't the whole concept of canon irrelevant when most games in the series exist in their own separate universe, independent of any of the others?

Yeah, I know, but it's easier to say "consider them 'canon'" (note the quotation marks, indicating that I'm using the term loosely) than "consider them real numbered Final Fantasies" (which launches the counter question "well, what is a 'real' Final Fantasy?").  To me, the online games should never have been numbered with the single-player entries.  In a given number of years, your copies of 11 and 14 will be completely useless as soon as the servers are shut down, and to me numbered FF is a story-based SP series.  Besides, I'd rather have a game numbered "11" or "14" than "10-2" or "13-2".  That just invites problems.
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« Reply #487 on: February 18, 2012, 11:12:07 PM »
I think calling them 10-2 and 13-2 is necessary to make sure people know they're a direct sequel when those are so uncommon in the franchise. Even if they hadn't given numbers to the MMO games I think they'd have called those games that.
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« Reply #488 on: February 18, 2012, 11:59:31 PM »
So those online FF's don't have any sort of Single Player Campaign?

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« Reply #489 on: February 19, 2012, 02:08:41 AM »
I want to take Mutant Mudds out behind a middle school and get it pregnant. This game is just brilliant, old-school platforming at its finest, and I think it's easily my second-favorite game on the system (behind Super Mario 3D Land, which I've previously declared my favorite game of all time). If you own a 3DS and like platformers and haven't bought this game yet, rectify that immediately.
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Re: Rate The Last Game You Played
« Reply #490 on: February 19, 2012, 08:57:01 PM »
I want to take Mutant Mudds out behind a middle school and get it pregnant.

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« Reply #491 on: February 19, 2012, 09:20:15 PM »
It's a 30 Rock reference. It seemed like the best way to express my feelings at the time. Too bad it's a digitally-distributed game, because I think it'd be a hell of a box quote.
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« Reply #492 on: February 19, 2012, 10:25:01 PM »
Haha, I see.

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« Reply #493 on: February 21, 2012, 02:02:10 AM »
I just knocked another game off the backlog by finishing up Resident Evil 4 on Ps2. This was the first time playing through an RE game, or a survival horror game, or basically a third person shooter/adventure game (just getting into actually playing the games recently) but I loved it. Of course, I eventually just wanted to be done with it, which made the last few boss fights devolve into me pulling out a rocket launcher and yelling GET SOME!! . I might go back and play Ada's challenges and Pro mode eventually, but I'll probably just set it aside for now.
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Re: Rate The Last Game You Played
« Reply #494 on: February 21, 2012, 03:28:13 AM »
Oh god, you played the PS2 version?
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Re: Rate The Last Game You Played
« Reply #495 on: February 21, 2012, 09:23:12 AM »
I just knocked another game off the backlog by finishing up Resident Evil 4 on Ps2. This was the first time playing through an RE game, or a survival horror game, or basically a third person shooter/adventure game (just getting into actually playing the games recently) but I loved it. Of course, I eventually just wanted to be done with it, which made the last few boss fights devolve into me pulling out a rocket launcher and yelling GET SOME!! . I might go back and play Ada's challenges and Pro mode eventually, but I'll probably just set it aside for now.


The final boss ended up being the same thing for me.  Not that I didn't enjoy the game immensely, but eventually it has to end.
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« Reply #496 on: February 21, 2012, 10:31:47 AM »
Yeah, I played the ps2 version. It came bundled with the system along with ffX at value village. Also, I still don't own a Wii, and didn't feel like tracking down the GC version. Ah well, I still enjoyed the hell out of it.
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« Reply #497 on: February 21, 2012, 10:33:17 AM »
I just beat MSG2 for the first time yesterday. What the hell did I just watch?

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« Reply #498 on: February 21, 2012, 10:35:50 AM »
I just beat MSG2 for the first time yesterday. What the hell did I just watch?

That reminds me. I need to jump into Metal Gear now that I have a ps2.
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