Author Topic: ps3/xbox to get crush by GC2? (Read 17863 times)

)Dark-LInk( · « **on:** March 01, 2003, 02:16:25 PM »

Right now the way im seeing ps3/xbox2 development IM DOUBTING SUCCESS, because now theres many places where sony/MS says their including INTERNET surf,cd burn,game dl from net.(which game companies dont like) and alot of of other stuff in their next console(ps3/xbox2)

WITH al their promising it looks like the ps3/xbox2 cant FAIL.BUT.... they ARE FORGETTING about game companies which for me seem 1 huge MISTAKE that wil cost them badly, making al the 3RD PARTY COMPANIES to go with NINTENDO( =) )
here are several reasons why the ps3/xbox2 wil fail if sony/ms forget about game companies/games(maybe)

-FIRST is THAT THERES no point on adding al this GOODIES in the ps3/xbox2 why? CAUSE ONE WORD "COMPUTERS" that machine wil always have the cd burning,game dl, and al the crap the PS3/xbox2 can ever offer!

- dozens or even hundreds of 3rd party companies wil RUN to develop games for the GC2 why?because gc2 wil basically offer the equipment AND MARKTE for what they WANT to do "GAME MAKING"

-ps3/xbo2 cant survive with just their SMALL game DOWNLOADS,cuz EVEN WITH BROADBAND ul be there OVER 5 HOURS waiting for a game to finish dl which isn't even garateed to work/be good.(and thats if their only 500 mb)

-gc2 wil prolly support equipment made for GAMING ONLY which wil crush ps3 in game hardware

IF im right and sony/MS is forgeting about game companies/games and focusing more on the other GOODIES for the ps3/xbox2 then theyl be crush,WHAT does this mean? it meanswe wil witeness the fall of the PLAY STATION/XBOX label........and THE RETURN OF THE KING=NINTENDO, AND possibly sonys exit of console(MS dont think so they HAVE enough cash to keep TRYING competing with their LOSING console)
so what do ya think? AM i nuts or do i got a point?

willys85 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 01, 2003, 02:27:59 PM »

Another things are the costs, Nintendo GC2(sounds like the copy of PS2, i rather a new name) will be just for gaming so the cost of purchase could it be between 150-200 bucks (like the cube) but a pc for gaming (Xbox 2/PS3) will cost like 500 bucks, the dvd burners aren't cheap, the materials that they will need for their consoles are expensive too, so who wants to buy a console for 500? i prefer buy me a new PC than a console for that price

MikeHrusecky · « **Reply #2 on:** March 01, 2003, 02:38:18 PM »

Would be interested to hear where you picked up most of that information... because it sounds like someone with an overactive imagination. Then again, no I wouldn't.

Koopa Troopa · « **Reply #3 on:** March 01, 2003, 03:37:21 PM »

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Would be interested to hear where you picked up most of that information... because it sounds like someone with an overactive imagination.

It has to be based on Sony's and Microsoft's claims of being a "Whole Entertainment" system.

Although, I doubt Nintendo's next console will be called "GameCube 2".

Stex · « **Reply #4 on:** March 01, 2003, 05:57:29 PM »

Somehow I doubt that. Just because MS and Sony are adding other stuff to their consoles doesn't mean that they won't be competent game machines. Adding other entertainment features doesn't mean that they are forgetting about games, and as such game companies won't abandon them. I don't see how "there is no point", considering an all purpose machine is much more appealing than a single purpose machine.

And the cost of stuff like DVD burners and hard drives is going to be significantly (hundreds) less than what it is now. I wouldn't expect PS3/Xbox2 to be much more than PS2/Xbox was at their releases.

And anyways, somehow I don't think it's going to have all of that stuff. Maybe something like a TIVO feature, but not too much more than that.

theaveng · « **Reply #5 on:** March 02, 2003, 04:02:32 AM »

NO, because Nintendo is considered "UNCOOL" and until they change that image they will always lose the console wars.

EggyToast · « **Reply #6 on:** March 02, 2003, 05:31:50 AM »

Hmm, maybe it'll be called Gamecube Color?

rodtod · « **Reply #7 on:** March 02, 2003, 01:26:29 PM »

Well, what do you think the "Gamecube 2" should be like? What outstanding features should it have?

Nintendo could call their next system anything they wanted and it would sell. It could be called the Supercube 500, or even something lame like the Nintendo Friendship.

But what do you think would be a serious, good-sounding name for the system?

)Dark-LInk( · « **Reply #8 on:** March 02, 2003, 02:12:06 PM »

i think the NEXUS name rumour is a good name for the "gc2"but other wil be like

Nintendo GAMECUBE ADVANCE

Nintendo 96(lame but it sounds kool)

Nintendo GameStation

im thinking of more but out of al these the NEXUS wil fit the most....

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 02, 2003, 02:15:21 PM »

Go through a dictionairy and find cool words. Beyond that none of you has any idea.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 02, 2003, 04:21:41 PM »

there is only a few things nintendo needs to do to make the next console a huge success.....number one if it is at all possible, they should make everything backwards compatible. this way u can throw away or sell or do what ever with the gamecube, but keep everything else like memory cards and controllers and games. maybe even the broadband adapter, gba player, or any other accecories that come out by then. this way they can launch a console that already has all the accesories out......i think the most important thing is to launch the console with realistic zelda.......u can launch many games to help the console sell well, but the one thing they could do to relaly get the console selling is launch it with that title. to be honest if i were nintendo i would start now on the realistic zelda, online pokemon, smash bros online, mario kart online, and maybe a mario game. obviously its a lot harder said then done, but if the next nintendo console launched with those games it would be a sucess no matter what happened.....even if m$ and sony teamed up they couldnt stop that. pokemon and smash bros would really apeal to japan, and realistic zelda and mario kart would own the west. however i dont think nintendo will do this, just cuz they dont seem to do stuff like that.....

Marcus Arillius · « **Reply #11 on:** March 02, 2003, 05:43:07 PM »

I'm amazed at how the majority of our conversations turn into what Nintendo needs to do to be successful. They already are successful.
I hate speculatory enthusiam but I'll reply anyway. I think Sony's next console will have a stronghold over the market just as the PS2 does now. There is no way Sony or Microsoft will go beyond 300 dollars for their next consoles, no matter what crap they put on them. They know that would be out of the "average" gamer's price range and I'm sure they don't want to alienate their consumers. And Nintendo's next system will not be named Gamecube 2. I am willing to stake my life on it.
Done.

dumdum · « **Reply #12 on:** March 02, 2003, 06:42:18 PM »

So you're saying that Nintendo will crush PS3/Xbox 2 cuz it will have LESS or everything???

oohhboy · « **Reply #13 on:** March 03, 2003, 12:18:20 AM »

By having less of everything, development time is shorter, they can invest that same money into better gaming hardware (Higher specs, better dev hardware etc) than spending the RnD money developing the extras which would also push the price up. For each features you put into a console, more it cost, less people can/want to go buy it. Therefore the company would have to take a loss on each console like this generation. how much loss is taken depends on the company. If you follow this generation, Nintendo is more than happy to take a small loss, while Sony takes a substaul loss. Then there is Microsoft who are will to almost give away thier consoles. If you take note of the number of features or lack thereof, the price of the console increases. Selling a console at a loss is dangerious though because you might not make the money back in the hardwares life cycle. In Microsofts case it does not matter. For Sony, it is some what riskly as their fall back income is much less than that of Microsoft, while gaming is nintendo's life blood. So nintendo would have to do away with the extra features anyway.

RahXephon · « **Reply #14 on:** March 03, 2003, 07:55:52 AM »

I had heard in i think egm are somewhere that PS3 is going through ALOT of developing problems and will be delayed possibly a year. Anyway that is just what i heard. All considering, with nintendo getting "back in bed" with Squaresoft-Enix, Konami, and now sega, I think the line up for a Nintendo "BestSystemEver" (tentative title) will be drop dead gorgeous. I really can't wait. They are claiming to be out a year before competitors with better specs, due to all the extras that are going on MS's and sony's machines, there won't be sufficient room, they would have to be big machines.

Nintendo's next system should be the the Nintendo LoveMachine.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 03, 2003, 12:31:54 PM »

I can see the internet pictures already... bad idea on Lovemachine...

RahXephon · « **Reply #16 on:** March 03, 2003, 12:33:51 PM »

haha... i know. But i do think that the rumored nexus is the best name i have heard in a while. And it fits the Nintendo name perfectly.

Just think of the ads.

Enter the Nexus. Fill the void. Nintendo Nexus

)Dark-LInk( · « **Reply #17 on:** March 03, 2003, 01:14:10 PM »

yep I LOVE THE NEXUS NAME IT FITS WITH THE 2 N'S HEHEHEHE...

now back to topic

marcus your right that they shouldnt go over 300$ for their concole or their scrwed BUT SONY was bleeding with the pS2 with the EXTRA dvd player(and prolly stil is) and if they add so many new things and price it at 300$ they wont get CASH back and theyll get scrwed with no gains.(and might cause sony to exit the game industry) which sony UNLIKE microsoft cant afford...................

Ian Sane · « **Reply #18 on:** March 03, 2003, 01:28:17 PM »

Some of you guys mentioned that the PS3/Xbox2 might have a DVD burner. Are you guys nuts? What sort of company would include a means to pirate games with their console? If the PS3 came with a DVD burner it would probably take to a simple mod to make the machine not only play pirated games but actually make them as well!

I've mentioned it many times: the only way Sony will lose their number one spot is if they commit a massive f*ck up on N64 cartridge like proportions that forces third parties to leave. A DVD burner sure as hell would do that but I really doubt they would include such a feature. I agree with the logic that Sony and Microsoft's obsessions with making set-top boxes will eventually bite them in the ass but I don't think it will be so soon. Microsoft isn't even in a position to pull any sh!t yet anyway. They're still in a distant second and are going to remain gamer and developer friendly for a while.

Odds are that if Sony f*cks up Xbox and Gamecube will be more like equals anyway with Nintendo being stronger in Japan and MS stronger in North America. It certainly wouldn't be instant "the king is back" or anything. Probably would be very Genesis/SNES like.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #19 on:** March 03, 2003, 04:22:37 PM »

I may be wrong, but SNES seemed to beat Genesis into the ground. I didn't own either, but SNES was certainly the one to go down in time, and eventually that's all that matters.

But as for the new systems. . . I'd be happy if more people bought Nexus or whatever and were cleansed of the "kiddie system" illusion that pisses me off so much. Anyone that calls GC kiddie should be tortured, burned+crucified, starved, and shot. And they deserve a good slapping. There are ample Teen/Mature games (more than you can afford, if nothing else, and better ones), and those that aren't teen or higher still appeal to all audiences, like Zelda and Mario. That belief just annoys the poo out of me, and should be officially discredited.

But I hope Nexus/whatever it'll be does well. I know I'll get one.

Stex · « **Reply #20 on:** March 03, 2003, 05:47:42 PM »

What do you mean Sony can't afford it? Granted they're not as rich as MS, but they probably the most profitable home entertainment company. Plus they make so much money off of game liscensing that it will evantually lead to profit even if they begin by taking losses. Unless I'm wrong, PS2 broke even a few months ago, and unless software sales stop, profits can only get better for Sony.

BlkPaladin · « **Reply #21 on:** March 03, 2003, 07:15:57 PM »

Yes Sony has been making a profit on the PS2 line. But I don't think they are making money on the units themselves with the price cuts they made and are about to make.

But as PGC reported a few day ago, there was that report that stated that Nintendo has made a lot more profit then Sony even though they had more revenue (money moved). I don't think Nintendo is very interested, at least as goal to reach at all costs, in retaking the number one in user base slot. They are interested in making games and money. As long as they are doing that all other things are irrelevant.

As for MS/Sony, Sony maybe one of the most profitable entertainment companyies. But Microsoft is one of the top five most profitable business ventures in the world if the the first. If Microsoft sees it viable to put support behind there next console and see it first in user base they can and will put its weight behind it Sony will not be able to match Microsoft dollar for dollar. But this next generation will be close and costly for the two companies, Nintendo will do what they have been doing in this generation to promote the Gamecube. And will more than likely come out ahead in profits again. And if the next consoles have backward compatiblity they will not see the problems they seen with N64 when they announced the Gamecube. And has a good chance to keep up a good clip with the other two.

boggy b · « **Reply #22 on:** March 06, 2003, 11:14:10 AM »

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I had heard in i think egm are somewhere that PS3 is going through ALOT of developing problems and will be delayed possibly a year. Anyway that is just what i heard. All considering, with nintendo getting "back in bed" with Squaresoft-Enix, Konami, and now sega, I think the line up for a Nintendo "BestSystemEver" (tentative title) will be drop dead gorgeous. I really can't wait. They are claiming to be out a year before competitors with better specs, due to all the extras that are going on MS's and sony's machines, there won't be sufficient room, they would have to be big machines.

1) Early Square-Enix announcements suggest that they're going with Sony BIGTIME.

2) Konami are going to Nintendo? You assume this straight from a MGS announcement?

3) Sega are going with XBox, I believe. And the best Nintendo have got from them anyways is Super Monkey Ball. If that's what you're basing your 'getting in bed with' idea, then Sony are cheating on Nintendo with Sega. I'd take Virtua Fighter 4 over SMB any day.

Demonhunter · « **Reply #23 on:** March 17, 2003, 04:22:40 PM »

My brother told me some WEIRD story about how Sony was hyping the ps3 to be a giant beowulf cluster, and while you're not playing it helps other people process their game. And it has 4 processors and can burn CDs. I dont know where he got this but that is the most retarded idea i've heard in a long time. Quad processors *pfft*

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #24 on:** March 18, 2003, 12:19:29 AM »

Saturn had two preocessors and look where it ended up.

boggy b · « **Reply #25 on:** March 18, 2003, 07:39:40 AM »

PS2 has a dual-processor, and look how it ended up!

Oh wait, it's #1 in sales worldwide...

rpglover · « **Reply #26 on:** March 18, 2003, 09:25:56 AM »

well all i know is that nintendo is not going to name their system gamecube 2
the reason- look at all of their other systems (excluding gameboy)
they all have diffent names although they have nintendo in them (which is a given)
now as for nintendo becoming #1 again- its hard to say
but why argue over fan bases
nintendo does make the most money off of their consols because they make them to play GAMES ONLY
although a lot of people see this as a downfall, i think it is what the game companies should do
and there is no denying that nintendo is the best game maker in the world as they have the best game designer in the world (Miyamoto)
can they get back on track- i think yes
they are doing good things now such as better advertising, game developement time, deals on their system
all i hope is that they just stay in the game industry to make those games
i know nintendo will never go 3rd party- they make too much $$ to do that now
hopefully nintendo with their new actions will pave the way to a good future

AERO · « **Reply #27 on:** March 22, 2003, 10:25:16 AM »

The title just sounds like wishful thinking to me...

boggy b · « **Reply #28 on:** March 22, 2003, 11:01:19 AM »

I don't think Myamoto is the best games designer in the world. I think Hideo Kojima's games are better, personally.

StRaNgE · « **Reply #29 on:** March 22, 2003, 12:26:45 PM »

Nintendo Cubed seems to fit it very well.

boggy b · « **Reply #30 on:** March 23, 2003, 02:14:14 AM »

I think they'll probably design it and then give it a name, like before we found out that GCN was vaguely cubed shaped it was referred to as its codename, Dolphin.

ThePerm · « **Reply #31 on:** March 24, 2003, 08:03:06 AM »

Kojima-san said he looks up to Miyamoto-san however...which puts your opinion in a stranglehold.
Metal Gear solid is probably the game with the best integration of storyline into the game...its gameplay however is very derivative. Still their both great game designers.

my top game designers
Shigeru Miyamoto
Hideo Kojima
Eiji Aonoma
Yu Suzaki
Yuji Naka
Dennis Dyack
Hironabu Sakaguchi
John Carmack
Ed Boon
John Tobias

JoeFalco · « **Reply #32 on:** March 25, 2003, 05:40:51 AM »

That's a good list of game designers.

Miyamoto is still at the top of my list.

Anyway, I can't predict the future of the three companies because I can't. I can only hope Nintendo will continue to make the best games out there with some competition out there. Competition is very good and healthy for all of us gamers out there who want these companies to have a little incentive to grab our attention (and our wallets as well) with what they have to offer.

And I hope Square will support more games for Nintendo in the near future like Final Fantasy Chronicles.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #33 on:** March 25, 2003, 12:39:50 PM »

Shigeru Miyamoto is amazing. He and the other folk at Nintendo are geniuses.

Koopa Troopa · « **Reply #34 on:** April 04, 2003, 03:50:18 PM »

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I don't think Myamoto is the best games designer in the world. I think Hideo Kojima's games are better, personally.

Kojima has one game I like, MGS. Butchering MGS2 didn't really help my opinion either. Your PS2-bias is showing

Oh yeah, and ZOE is pretty cool.

Top Designers...
Shigeru Miyamoto
Roberta Williams
Lori, and Cori Cole.

Those aren't in any particular order.

I can't, seem to think of anymore, I know there are few more, though.

Kojima is one of my "Worth noting". I won't list all these, there aren't alot, but I am lazy.

VideoGamerX · « **Reply #35 on:** April 06, 2003, 08:43:10 AM »

Jumping back on track, from the last Sony statements I read concerning their next console, they're going to make two versions. One will be an all-in-one entertainment system. They can afford to do this and charge quite a bit for it (helping to ensure quality and curtail losses on hardware) because the other version of the next system is a gaming-only machine that will be a budget version specifically for gaming. This is a great idea in my opinion. They get the "Cool" rating with their high dollar machine that a lot of people will give their left leg for, and then everyone else that just wants a games machine can save on the cost of the hardware and buy a game or two more.

I don't know if this is true anymore, but I bet it is. The best thing I'm hearing about the PS3 (which may also be false) is the internal design and how it's supposed to carry portions of programming on board internally. That's supposed to F up developers when it comes to porting games to other consoles, but I'm crossing my fingers it totally backfires and causes programmers to shun the PS3. Companies looking to be multi-platform may have problems with the way programming works on the PS3. If Nintendo and/or Microsoft can jump on Sony early and give them a hard fight, it won't be so hard for programmers to part with Sony, but once that userbase starts to swell for Sony kiss it goodbye if no one has nailed them before the first year.

Someone was mentioning that Sony had to F up in the N64-cartridge proportions. Right there it is if they do go on to do this. That's the screw up you and I are watching for.

Rich · « **Reply #36 on:** April 08, 2003, 01:17:54 PM »

hey does nintendo really need to put a DVD player in their next system to make it appeal to a wider audience. many people who have game systems also have DVD players. i do and i certainly dont want to pay an extra $50-100 for something i dont need.

rodtod · « **Reply #37 on:** April 08, 2003, 01:42:43 PM »

One thing that Xbox did well in this generation was to offer games with high-definition display and dolby digital-encoded audio. But, neither was a standard feature. In the upcoming generation, many more televisions will be high definition, optical media will be able to hold much more data, and surround sound sets keep on supporting more and more audio channels. I think that one surefire way that Nintendo can kick butt in the next generation is to make their next system have support for insanely high resolutions, and to premiere with full 8.1 surround sound capability (maybe using Dolby Pro-Logic "III" or something to that effect, since Xbox 2 is likely to go with Dolby Surround EX).

Until we know how to make immersive holographic environments or Matrix-esque mind-gaming, videogames will still be limited to audio and televised video. So why not make this current format as kick-ass as possible?

edit: and Rich, Nintendo may do something similar, but it wouldn't be dvd support that's for sure.

blackfootsteps · « **Reply #38 on:** April 09, 2003, 12:13:35 AM »

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Originally posted by: )Dark-LInk(
i think the NEXUS name rumour is a good name for the "gc2"but other wil be like

Nintendo GAMECUBE ADVANCE

Nintendo 96(lame but it sounds kool)

Nintendo GameStation

im thinking of more but out of al these the NEXUS wil fit the most....

Gamestation... ewwwww...too ps2 sounding

Jainmb925 · « **Reply #39 on:** April 21, 2003, 05:48:27 AM »

Anyone that doesn't agree with this person, can't see the forest for the trees! He/or she has a point and I'm overjoyed that someone finally said something about it

The main picture that everyone seems to be forgeting is that Nintendo unlike Sony/ Microsoft, is a "gaming company". Not an electronic company with a b* console on the side. These guys started the whole gaming industry while Microsoft had Apple, and Sony had VCR's.

The point is that gaming cosoles are made for games, not all that other crap that they try to beef up their sales with. You by a cosole for the usage of games only, and if your smart you buy nintendo consoles, because they are the best. Unlike the rest who have to have extra goodies to get buyers.

Bottom line, nintendo rules over anyother and you my friend can take that to the bank.

Or shall I say Nintendo...........!!!!

P*S* - If you don't agree here's some evidence for you, Mario and The Legand of Zelda. I rest my case

Samwise Gamgee · « **Reply #40 on:** May 06, 2003, 12:19:57 PM »

i dont feel likre reading this whole post but...

no matter what, people will buy the ps3 no matter what! no matter what, it will most likely sell the best even if it is more expensive! and people will look at those extra features and will think its more advanced b/c of it!!! people will not flock to nintendo b/c it doesnt have all the rest of those features! believe it or not, i kno alot of ppl who have chosen the ps2 over gc cuz of the DVD, its a selling point!

developers will not flock to nintendo b/c the other systems have all these extras that have nothing to do with the games! they will probibly even use these extras for their advantage!

and also! if more ppl buy the PS3, more developers will makes games for the system no matter what! hell, if GC, xbox, and ps2 were all equal right now, and the developers could just pick and choose which system to make their game for, do u think they would choose ps2 as their #1 choice? hell no, its the hardest system to develop for and the results are much less then what can be done on the others!

but since PS2 had a comanding lead, there is no choice but to make the game on the ps2, cuz even though they may may have it easier making the game for something else, the PS2 is where the money is!

EggyToast · « **Reply #41 on:** May 06, 2003, 12:52:19 PM »

That sounds familiar... hmmm... isn't that what people said during the N64's livespan?

rodtod · « **Reply #42 on:** May 06, 2003, 07:34:38 PM »

Kennyb27 pointed out to me that Nintendo intends to launch their console in 2005...only 2 years away. I just finished reading Jonny's editorial on a possible Gamecube upgrade, but it seems that with only 2 years left, releasing an upgrade of the current console would be a little late in coming. Nintendo should put as much focus as possible into making their next system the ultimate console by including advanced hardware and excellent developer support.

The Gamecube, to me, seems very much like a prototype. Nintendo knows that in the near future, in order to stay competitive, their game development costs will skyrocket as the big third-party publishers start raising the graphics bar to stratospheric heights. So Nintendo's first priority when designing the next system is to make it be as developer-friendly as possible. They managed to pull it off with the Gamecube, but it lacked the hardware to really exploit the creativity of developers. With the next system, Nintendo should not put all of its resources into integrating a whole bunch of multimedia-esque features. Instead, they should stick with their current hardware philosophy, while making sure the next system is capable of outperforming the competition.

The Gamecube released long enough after the PS2 to give Nintendo time to create a system more powerful than Sony's, but this time around they intend to launch around the same time as the other two. Nintendo won't have time to develop a really solid hardware-setup if they expect to launch their next system in 2005. So Nintendo may end up using a lot of the Gamecube's hardware, or at least enhanced iterations of the technology.

"GC2" will crush the PS3 and Xbox2 only if they release on time with a relatively inexpensive but totally powerhouse system.

corwin · « **Reply #43 on:** May 08, 2003, 06:47:59 AM »

actually the next step in graphics will be quite a big one.
the improvement will be in the post-process rendering and rendering effects, not the poly-count.

real-time bumb-mapping (doom3), displacement maps, programmable shaders
(as someone mentioned, real-time raytracing is NOT going to happen in like...10 years at least)

be aware that bumb-mapping GREATLY improves the visual effect.
untill now, a brick floor looked FLAT. nice for a top-down view, but when looked at it with an angle, it looks like
a flat floor with a "brick-print" on it. there are many more materials that are candidates for bumb-mapping.

...that and post-rendering effects. there is a lot more you can do besides "lensflares and glows".
Think Maya, think paint FX anyone? (any 3d modelers here?..hehe)

can't wait!
pioneer will be doom3.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #44 on:** May 08, 2003, 12:03:24 PM »

real time bump mapping, now there is something to get your mouth watering over. I agree whole heartedly corwin. I have been trying to say what you just said in other posts and failed pretty bad. Excellent way to put it into perspective.

oohhboy · « **Reply #45 on:** May 09, 2003, 04:02:24 AM »

We already got bump-mapping that can do bricks, look back to Luigis mansion in the basement or the sand in RL. Devs are just not using it right now. If your talking about self shadowing bump maps.... but that is just one effect, you will need alot more than that to make a true leap. Sure the next console would be a "leap" but ending up looking like a hop.

rodtod · « **Reply #46 on:** May 10, 2003, 11:01:41 PM »

Well, there definitely will be major improvements in what the next-gen systems can do graphics-wise, but I think in GC2's case, one of the highest priorities should be making the operating system extremely efficient. You can only go so far with the graphics until you encounter a bottleneck. If the next Nintendo system has a really streamlined built-in engine, or some way to help developers make really efficient code, then the system will be able to render better and with far less load time.

Do dev kits for consoles usually have a built-in development engine, or does the developer usually make one up from scratch or use a third party's engine?

EggyToast · « **Reply #47 on:** May 12, 2003, 12:46:46 PM »

A good dev kit will include efficient code for the developer to build engines. If we aren't seeing much bumpmapping in GC games, it's likely because Nintendo has either made bump-mapping convoluted in the devkits (and is therefore difficult to implement, so devs don't do it), or developers have felt that including bump-mapping would hurt other aspects of teh graphics. many of these decisions are made before doing the bulk of the code, as it's easier to play it safe instead of push the system and run into problems down the road.

rodtod · « **Reply #48 on:** May 13, 2003, 05:44:08 PM »

with regards to the next-generation of consoles, which would be easier to render: a bump-mapped brick wall or a brick wall consisting only of flat textures and polygons (yet with enough polygons to imitate a bump-mapped appearance)?

or do I have the whole bump-mapping thing confused?

anyways, I'd like to see character-user interactivity improve, before the graphics do. so far, most games use scripted conversations to try and simulate interaction, but it'd be nice if a game just had a database of versatile response phrases, voice-recognition, etc.

oohhboy · « **Reply #49 on:** May 14, 2003, 01:46:13 AM »

You see with current bumpmaps it is a 2d texture that looks like it is 3d. With realtime bumpmapping like in an ATI tech demo some time ago, the bumps on the bumpmap actually interacts with the enviroment eg, water light, but obviously takes up an astronomical amunt of power to do.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #50 on:** May 14, 2003, 04:01:46 AM »

Just to touch on real time ray tracing. Is it really neccissary? Carmack even said that they can make imitating it look just as good and at a serious reduction of needed power. Just my thoughts.

Hyper-Link · « **Reply #51 on:** June 26, 2003, 09:44:16 AM »

I heard a rumor of the new Game Cube name that I thought was official until I heard all this Nexus stuff even though Nexus sounds cool.

On about 2 websites I heard the Next Generation Systems were Playstation 3, X-Box 2, and GameSphere.

I thought Game Sphere was cool, but after hearing Nexus I hope it isn't true.

Rich · « **Reply #52 on:** June 26, 2003, 07:52:12 PM »

hey guys make sure you check todays N-Query at IGN it had a few tid bits about GC2 including price. here is the site.

http://cube.ign.com/mail.html

KDR_11k · « **Reply #53 on:** June 27, 2003, 08:31:52 AM »

Well, I'll keep calling it Hypercube.

HolyPaladin · « **Reply #54 on:** June 27, 2003, 12:22:01 PM »

First I want to point out the problem with all of the names people use for the next game console. I can't stand people calling "Gamecube 2", as it is the fifth Nintendo console and will NOT be a sequel to Gamecube of any kind. It will simply be the next console, with no relation to Gamecube. I saw somebody use or mention "Gamesphere" which is just as lame since it also follows up Gamecube, as if Gamecube was the first and this is the second. Gamecube had sort of a cubical form, so are there people suggesting that this supposed "Gamesphere" will be a ball? I would like to see somebody figure out how to make that functional. The "Nexus" idea is the most realistic of them all, and I would be surprised if it even came out being anything like that. Yes, right now we do not even have a project name to call it by, but do we have to invent our own ridiculous ones? If we all do that, we'll have this guy calling it "Gamecube 2", this other guy calling it "NES 5", the next one calling it "Nintendo Mega System", and still another calling it "Mario's Magical Box of Mystery" or whatever.

And secondly comes a response to Samwise Gamgee's post:
"no matter what, people will buy the ps3 no matter what! no matter what, it will most likely sell the best even if it is more expensive! and people will look at those extra features and will think its more advanced b/c of it!!! people will not flock to nintendo b/c it doesnt have all the rest of those features! believe it or not, i kno alot of ppl who have chosen the ps2 over gc cuz of the DVD, its a selling point!"

I really expect more from any given person than that. I mean, this is just plain ignorant. To think that Sony has some sort of invincibility is completely ignorant to the historical facts. If one looks back more than a few years ago, Nintendo was in the same place that Sony is now, and held that place for quite some years. It looked like nobody could topple Nintendo, and many tried and failed for years. It did happen, though. The same can, and can, and still can, and forever can, can, can, and more can happen to Sony now. It will never, ever, ever, ever, ever be impossible. People did not buy PS2 over GCN because of the POS DVD feature, either. It outsold GCN because of the name, not the DVD function. If PS2 did not have the DVD function and GCN did have it, PS2 would still have outsold GCN because of the name. Yes, there are those that bought PS2 for and primarily use it for DVDs and there are those that simply like having that function, but it didn't make the difference between selling 50 million and selling 1- million. The name did that. It was simply the successor to the dominant console in the generation before, and so it entirely rode on the coattail of the PSX.

gcnfreak · « **Reply #55 on:** June 29, 2003, 01:04:31 PM »

Nintendo was the first and it shall be last. I don't think we'll be seeing a Game Cube 2 soon, I think Nintendo is going to try to build on it more. It's still a great console! I'm guessing we won't see another system from Nintendo for at least another 3 years. As for the Xbox 2, I think it will be a huge failure! Microsoft has jumped into the gaming industry too fast. I'm sure that the Xbox 2 will take until the end of 2005 to finish. But Microsoft is a major corporation, so if they pull it off, I'll be surprised. And the new PSX coming out (yes it's called PSX not PS3) sounds pretty nice. But the design is the worst. It can stand on it's side, but you have to have the top clear so you can slide disks into it. EGM thinks of it as a toaster. LOL! And with these Game/DVD/CD burner combinations, I think they won't have anything to add to the next console! They have to save some of the ideas for the future. I know Nintendo will do this. They are only a video game company. They did not plan to have combination systems, and I doubt they will. Well, let's hope for the best!

DipsterDoodler · « **Reply #56 on:** July 18, 2004, 03:51:11 AM »

Nintendo Co., Ltd., of Kyoto, Japan, is the acknowledged worldwide leader in the creation of interactive entertainment. To date, Nintendo has sold more than one billion video games worldwide, created such industry icons as Mario and Donkey Kong and launched franchises like The Legend of Zelda and Pokémon. Nintendo manufacturers and markets hardware and software for its popular home video game systems, including Nintendo 64 and Game Boy - The world's best selling video game system.

1975 - In cooperation with Mitsubishi Electric, Nintendo developed a video game system using an electronic video recording (EVR) player. They introduced the microprocessor into the video game system the next year.

1977 - Nintendo developed home-use video games in cooperation with Mitsubishi Electric.

1978 - Nintendo created and started selling coin-operated video games using microcomputers.

1979 - An operations division, for coin-operated games, was started.

1980 - Nintendo announced a wholly owned subsidiary, Nintendo of America Inc. in New York. It started selling the "GAME & WATCH" product line. (the list goes on, it's the history of Nintendo, Came in strong... staying strong! The following is not an attempt to redirect you to another site, but just a crediting.

(http://www.ncecbvi.org/students/keith/Nintendo.htm)

Nintenedo hasn't. isn't, and will NEVER die, maybe change it's name, or merge with another company but will always the be the groundbreaker in gaming consoles.

I agree with many opinions here, but, there ONLY opnions, unless you're a spy from Sony or MS, trying to crush the sale of Nintendo. No I'm not paranoid, the only reason you say that is you're all against me!
)

Draygaia · « **Reply #57 on:** July 20, 2004, 06:26:37 AM »

The chance is there just as long as the Revolution has online.

Lamech · « **Reply #58 on:** July 20, 2004, 07:55:48 AM »

Revolution will not have online standard, Nintendo already said that online gaming is for computers, and until we have the technology to make it lag free, its not going to include it. but what will attract more attention to Revolution will be its unique game play... Nintendo made a very large contract with Gyration a couple years ago... try and guess what they make.

check it out
GYRATION

PS3 and XBOX2 dont have any new tricks, theyre just making better graphics - so is nintedo - Nintendo seems to be at an advantage for the next releases.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #59 on:** July 20, 2004, 09:43:23 PM »

Nintendo already stated the Revolution WILL be online. Or at least, if it sells enough it will be.

Lamech · « **Reply #60 on:** July 21, 2004, 02:58:37 AM »

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According to an interview with the Japan Economic Foundation's Japan Spotlight Bimonthly publication, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata has stated that online games aren't in demand.

look... now you made me quote... ::sniffles::

Read It

KDR_11k · « **Reply #61 on:** July 21, 2004, 07:56:08 AM »

Iwata's saving his ass until the Rev comes out. The GC didn't sell enough to warrant an online service, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Rev actually would be online.

Draygaia · « **Reply #62 on:** July 21, 2004, 11:03:38 AM »

I still think it will be the same as this generation but I do see Nintendo get much better than the last.

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