Uhhh. I did read the link. I knew it was from 2007. So did Edge. I'm assumed they USED IT b/c there isn't a more RECENT study to debunk it. A study which I asked YOU to PROVIDE. So where is it Juggy? Sounds like you misread another short post. Jeeebus, how emabarrasing for you.
I've proven my point, bud, in that large post with the sales figures. Achievements have not grown sales beyond non-achievement games and systems. You RESPONDED to this claim with this outdated study from 2007, which measured a 2 year period from 2005 to 2007, after which achievements seem to have not BESTED non-achievement platforms. The burden of proof is on YOU, dude. YOU have to prove that achievements have grown sales, because I have already shown that they haven't, using actual numerical, empirical data instead of a Microsoft PR guy using an old study.
And seriously, "Juggy?" Just shut up.
I might add, isn't it a bit ironic you're defending Nintendo's "thank you very much we don't need them" arrogant like attitude on the issue of achievements (or carrots as they say)? Just admit you're a fanboi dude and we'll be cool, as there is no sense in debating the deluded. Opps, wasn't supposed to bring that topic back up!
I am unaware of any stance Nintendo has on achievement-like systems, except they seem to be mostly sticking to the method that they've used since Super Smash Bros. Melee (2001), that is, having neat unlockables in the game as opposed to the unlockable things being a TITLE or some words and meaningless numbers and the actual extra content requiring a DLC purchase. And I can see you are trying to label a fanboy because I agree with Nintendo in both instances of them not being arrogant for talking about sales numbers and because I don't see the value in achievement systems (like the majority of gamers apparently), when I don't exactly agree with everything they've done lately (Not localizing some of their own games in the hopes that third parties would use this opportunity for once instead of making crap that won't sell and then blaming either Nintendo or Wii customers for their own failure.) But I'm not a deluded fanboy just because I disagree with you, because, a lot of people here disagree with you. Which would make most everybody here a deluded fanboy.
Or more logically, it's just you who is bonkers, and you never discuss my points or anybody's points or the topic at hand and just throw insults around or psychological terms you don't understand because you think it gives you "street cred" or something. But it doesn't. You seem uninterested in the debate or the topic and think that if you are the loudest monkey in the pen, you'll get a banana. And it's pretty cute when you think you have the upper hand, like you'll "win" something if you can just drag it out past logic or past anybody's interest in dealing with you.
And BnM, I'd watch out if he starts throwing around insults in your direction when you catch him in a bind. If he comes up with "Juggalo" (whatever the hell that is) from "Deguello," he might get into some racial stuff out of your name. So, be prepared, eh?