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NWR Mafia Games / Re: Mafia 84 RE:CV Dead Thread
« on: January 13, 2020, 08:28:00 AM »
Hey, Wesker went for me because I was safe.

I think Wesker went for you because he knew that if you were to have any opportunity to gain momentum, the evil mafias would have been swiftly crushed. If only there was a way to revive a player in this game! If only we could make a man... Un-dead...

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NWR Mafia Games / Re: Mafia 84 RE:CV Dead Thread
« on: January 11, 2020, 12:38:25 PM »
Rooting for what? I lost. lol

Don't worry though, I didn't die. Had met this nice girl who helped me out at the last minute & filed the report just saying I died.

That's the spirit!

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NWR Mafia Games / Re: Mafia 84 RE:CV Dead Thread
« on: January 10, 2020, 11:57:00 PM »
Go GK! Don't let this get you down! I'm rooting for you!

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This'll likely be my last game summary post, covering day 3 and on.

First, it was clear with a solid townie alliance that it didn't make sense to do anything but vote for what they voted for, regardless of what it may be, which was my day 2 and onward plan.

Second, my plan of a no-hit worked as best as it possibly could, at least from the perspective of the short term. While Khushrenada declared publicly that I had been investigated, shortly after, I received this message from pokepal.

So we actually have a lot of the game mapped out at this point.

Current driver line-up
1. Pokepal148 - Detective
2. Khushrenada - cupid
15. ThePerm, a Normal Townie in a AA-battery powered Bumper Car.

Semi/mostly confirmed roles:
13. Backwards Flying Dragons - Townie
4. Lolmonade - Claims to be the Doctor

Lovebirds
8. Stevey, - lovebird - ThePerm did some digging by asking for a Role PM and deduced he was most likely a townie.
9. Stratos - lovebird

Unconfirmed roles
6. Nickmitch,
7. NRW_Insanolord
14. Lucario
10. Mr. Bungle
12. Mop It Up

There's a killer, godfather, 2 Mafia goons, and 3 townie roles mixed between the lovebirds and our completely unconfirmed playerbase.

We need to get some clarification on how the couple/lovebirds work before we can write them off completely. It is possible for example that either Stratos or Stevey were originally mafia goons or something. One of them might have even been the godfather which would explain why the Mafia didn't place a hit (after all, if the godfather is still technically alive even if the role is no longer active than the hit ability might not have passed to the goons). The Killer has been active since Day 1 so we can assume they aren't the killer at least.

Either way, of the five players in that unconfirmed list, Lucario seems to be the most suspicious, if anything because of how active he's been this time around, along with the fact that he totally would hit me on day 1 so keeping pressure on him seems like a strong play

This meant the guesswork in avoiding plain townies was gone. There was no reason to doubt lolmonade was the doctor, but, at the same time, if I were the one sending this message, instead of identifying lolmonade as the doctor, I would have picked someone we hadn't even identified yet, or crossed Khushrenada's role with lolmonade's, just in case I was the godfather.

I had not yet considered who to hit for the day, but this easily created a struggle. Before receiving this message, I had contacted Steef who clarified that the AA-Battery shield ThePerm had had been used. We, the mafia, suspected the doctor wasn't even active. We were heavily considering targeting pokepal again just to ensure he was killed. I was very, very on the fence about it, and at one point, even sent in the hit, but then later changed it.

Lucario was the victim of the town's vote. In PMs, I had encouraged the townies not to vote him out, acknowledging he was likely the killer, but at the same time, pointing out his kills had so far been easily deflected. Were I a normal townie, I likely would have made this same approach, while also reaching out to Lucario and aiming him at suspected mafia members. As a godfather, I'd want him alive to have him aim at townies with roles. Ultimately, I sent him one vague message, something simple, like "r u the killer?" to see what reaction I'd get. Depending on his response, I would have tried to ally with him. At the same time, it was too late to save him. Had I allied, I would have told him to target lolmonade, essentially washing my hands of a degree of culpability.

Ultimately, Khushrenada was the target that night. This was primarily because he seemed to be the only player really paying attention. Pokepal just accepted me into the fold, and no one else was really in contact. I would have taken out pokepal had it been possible, but I felt to fit in with the townies, I needed to start giving them advice, such as "Protect the investigator." It seemed like common sense, but they didn't use the doctor's protection on ThePerm the day prior, so by offering up helpful-but-not-actually-helpful advice, I could definitely blend in for a little while, and perhaps take up the mantle of the lead townie in the end. Killing Khushrenada could also potentially set up me taking the mantle of the race leader down the line, but I didn't end up following the threads for that plan. That plan involved keeping lolmonade in.

Anyway, the rest of the game was fairly transparent. We hit lolmonade since he was the doctor and the townies weren't appearing skeptical of me, then pokepal since he was the investigator, and after that, inactivity mostly set in. Only hiccup was the townies deciding to vote out the lovers, since I was going to save them for a later hit to drastically and suddenly reduce townie numbers, securing our win. I also thought we could stall Pokepal's investigations by using them, but it didn't work out. That scenario was a win/win from the perspective that we could kill them later and get them to soak up investigations, or just kill them by vote, which is another day we didn't get voted out.

Anyway, @BeautifulShy, I won't be signing up for the Resident Evil mafia, but that's because I have to moderate how much I play these things or I can go overboard.

@Steefosaurus, another mafia game worth checking out was one Khushrenada and I cohosted. It was DC-themed, with a focus on the emotional spectrum and the different lantern rings. It was likely a challenging game to play, but it was certainly a challenging game to host. We had point shops and different prizes that we secret-auctioned off. I recall there was a lot of participation, but it was an earlier time, so I won't say that the format drove playing. One thing we did with the points, though, was encourage posting. If you posted in the thread, you earned points that could be spent in the shop. I don't even recall who won, but I do recall my favorite piece of the game was when UncleBob, who was Joker, which was our "Killer" role, bid 0 points for a ring, which allowed modification of the daily vote, and we decided it was perfectly in character for him to successfully win the bid because there were no other bids for the item that day.

What I liked about that game is that it did encourage and reward participation, and allowed all sides to be rewarded by participation, thus the strategy of laying low and playing very quietly by the mafia wasn't necessarily the best play, as it seems to be in games now.

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Looking at what's been posted, the reason why I say the game was tilted towards townies is fairly simple and straightforward.

When Pokepal was hit, and he came back to life, his identity as a townie with a role was cemented for everyone to see. Then, when ThePerm was added in as a townie that was verified for all, his identity was cemented.

Essentially, when playing these games on the townie side, there's the crisis of trust. As the investigator, you must be very careful who you trust with information. Even when you have reliable information which you have obtained from an investigation, like, say, you have identified the doctor, the doctor doesn't know you're telling the truth. What's to say someone in the mafia didn't literally message a slew of players saying the same thing? Or maybe they took a random guess and they were right?

By revealing that Pokepal was the investigator, that first layer of trust was established to all players. If Pokepal said something, it could be trusted. By adding in ThePerm, the second layer had a built in defense. If someone were to break into that circle of trust and find out or mislead the people in it, there was a second pillar who could set things straight. Essentially, no one could make a false claim to Pokepal or ThePerm without it being called out the next day.

I can elaborate more on this, but let's say I'm a mafia player. Let's say I've caught wind that the investigator has found the doctor, and they're forming an alliance. Brushing over how we got this information, a counter strategy might be to approach the suspected doctor, and tell this player you're the investigator. This bluff yields a swing in the votes, and the actual investigator gets voted out that night. The night's hit is on the doctor. As a mafia member, this play is very risky, but the reward would be the elimination of two powerful roles. Your risks are that the doctor might say what happened to others in the town, outing yourself, or that they may have privately left bread crumbs that point to you.

With the knowledge of ThePerm and Pokepal made official, any complex or in-depth strategy to fool the townies into a bad vote became almost completely unviable. Our victory was limited to very few avenues after the first day. I found and worked to exploit those avenues, but there were dramatically fewer than is normal for a mafia. The townies, on the other hand, ended up with a united force with all roles known. I can deconstruct and analyze some odds here, but essentially, the townies statistically had a very good chance of finding the remaining mafia members and vote them out, with me, as the undetectable Godfather being the exception. That Pokepal literally investigated everyone except for the two remaining mafia goons and didn't vote them out in the process was very unlikely.

All of that is why I say there was imbalance.

As to the voting extension, there's a small problem here. It's easy for a townie to ask for a voting extension to save a townie. Put it in reverse. What if Mop it up asked for an extension to the vote for me to come in and save MASB? While there wouldn't be evidence yet that she and I saved a mafia member, eventually there likely would be. Even moreso, there would be immediate evidence she asked for the rules to be bent to kill a townie player. Essentially, what I'm saying is that public, open requests for rules to be changed are a luxury that primarily benefits townies but can't be used as frequently or easily by the mafia, so they're more likely to be unfair due to this.

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The trick, pokepal, is that I often operate pretty crazy regardless of which role I get and which side I am. It makes things a lot more interesting.

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Okay, I promised I'd talk about day 2 and the rest.

At the start of Day 2, the picture looked like this (from our perspective):

Mafia
thatguy
Mop it up
Insanolord

Townies
Khushrenada
lolmonade
stevey
Stratos
nickmitch
Shyguy
Mr.Bungle

Townies with roles
Pokepal -- Investigator
ThePerm -- Confirmed Townie, also with a shield

Killer
Lucario

Unknown Roles:
Doctor
Cupid

Ratios
Mafia:Townies:Killer -- 3:9:1
Mafia:PlainTownies -- 3:5
RoledTownies:PlainTownies -- 4:5

At this point, a few things were clear: We needed to make sure we didn't hit ANYONE who was just a normal, everyday townie. Why? The investigator was impossible to kill at this point. Killing the investigator meant first hitting the doctor. And, to make matters worse, a hit on the doctor at the wrong time would result in giving away intelligence we had, or would take a random guess. Essentially, any plain townie we killed would reduce our victory chances at the end of the game, and any guess we made into who to hit would prove fruitless. No matter how it was cut, with both pokepal and ThePerm clear townies, I knew we were out of the information loop, and with two players solidly in the townie alliance, bluffing our way in wasn't going to be possible.

I considered a few things: From the first day, it was clear the killer was going for the lowest hanging fruit. I expected the killer to try to hit ThePerm. We already suspected Lucario of being the killer at this point. I thought about reaching out to Lucario and forming an alliance with him so we wouldn't cross-kill, but to be honest, in terms of personal contacts, I don't really know him that way, and I couldn't say for sure he wouldn't throw me under the bus at his first chance. Since I was the only mafia member who couldn't simply be detected, I knew that was huge risk, so it didn't happen. Worse, if I was wrong about Lucario (and based on the odds, I should have been), it would have been instantly an awful thing. In this respect, at least for day 2, I decided to stay off of Lucario's radar and hope no one else would piece things together.

After discussing things some with Mop it up, I genuinely didn't know who would be a good choice to hit. There was always a chance ThePerm wouldn't use the battery shield and the doctor was inactive, but I had a strong hunch the killer would be hitting him, so I felt it wasn't worth our hit to go after him. I considered hitting Khushrenada, as most do in these situations, but estimated (incorrectly) that if he were Cupid, he would have possibly paired himself with me, just for fun. I was under the impression (Maybe wrongly so?) that Cupid could pair himself with someone, so I figured that would be a move Khushrenada would try, and dismissed him as Cupid. I also dismissed him as the doctor, as I thought Khushrenada as the doctor would have protected pokepal. This meant, at the time of Day 2's hit, Khushrenada was suspected to be a plain townie, and would make an excellent scapegoat down the line.

The list of available targets at this point was lolmonade, stevey, Stratos, nickmitch, Shyguy, and Mr.Bungle. That left us six. We were hoping the doctor wasn't active and was Stratos. If that was the case, we'd have extra inactive cover. We were non-concerned with the lovers from our perspective, as well. No thought was given into who they may be. I didn't look over the first day's votes, but lolmonade and stevey were also relatively inactive, so I suspected they were normal townies, as well. That left nickmitch, who I knew has a habbit of being fairly inactive, and thus I considered a late-game asset, Shyguy, and MrBungle, who I had no idea about. ShyGuy was being voted out (Why? I mean, even from his defense in the thread, it was clear he didn't really care about the game, but was trying to help the townies from making a bad decision.)

Frankly, what I'm trying to say is that I didn't know enough. I didn't know enough to keep from hitting any plain townies, and we had a situation where two townies likely had protection WITHOUT using the doctor's protection, which meant beyond that, there was a half decent chance the target I'd want would be protected.

I thought about it, mulled things over, and ultimately decided to do a no-hit. I'd let my mafia know, and I would make absolute certain to start making noise. I wanted to be investigated. I wanted to have posted a lot. My angle was simple: No one knows what the mafia might do, except for the mafia. If the mafia do something unpredictable and senseless, the mafia players also know it's going to happen before it does. And their actions can appear to contradict that concept.

Notice on Day 2 that Insanolord posts and votes. The one day the godfather does nothing, Insanolord shows up. Coincidence? I wouldn't say so. I told him and Mop it up my plan, urged them to post and at least make an appearance, and they did.

My goal was two-fold. First, I needed to be the target of an investigation. This would provide me the most cover and protection from a random townie vote-out, like what happened to ShyGuy, and would also at least let my mafia avoid being detected for one day. I was not expecting to become part of the townie alliance, but rather be put fairly low on the priority list. After all, I was very active on a day the godfather AND Goon #3 didn't do anything, AND I had been investigated as a townie. If we looked at the flat odds, I had a 1/6 chance to be the godfather, and a 5/6 chance to just be a normal townie. If you weigh those with the lack of a hit, to most players, I'd be beyond suspicion.

And that's where we rested day 2.

(If it isn't clear, I'm definitely obsessive compulsive. It shows in these games. I can't NOT think about them, strategies, and so on all day when I play them. That is a large part of why I rarely sign up. I don't think it's healthy.)

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Mr Bungle is aptly named. Day 6 of the game was weird because I made my post and then it seemed to stretch on forever. I checked it last night and there was no change. And then I get back on today at noon and i'm dead and day 6 is over and day 7 is over. I'm assuming Nickmitch and MrBungle were too busy with holiday stuff or Star Wars.

If they had voted we wouldn't be in the mess we're in.

I let the townies down and I am sorry. Holiday and family stuff has thrown off my routine and I completely forgot about the game. I will do better next time.

This isn't fair to say about you. You were a normal townie, left out of the loop the whole game. Bear in mind, had you shown up, I would have voted for Mop it up, and we'd have gone to one more day.

Would ThePerm have given you the race leader title? If he had, would you have voted for me? If the answer to either of those questions were no, it would have remained a mafia victory.

Back before voting out Insanolord, Pokepal and ThePerm should have put their heads together and taken a risk on voting out the Godfather. At the end of the day, they should have publicly posted that by process of elimination, they knew Insanolord and Mop it up were mafia. This would have provided them the same odds while not leaving the game in the hands of someone inactive and someone else they couldn't fully trust.

Like I said, you did well with what you had this game. Don't feel like you left anyone down.

Further game action analysis and mafia scheming from day 2 to the end will come tonight.

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There was a lot that happened this game to give the mafia a fighting chance. I don't really have the time to get into it now, but I will do a rundown tomorrow.

I've got a few moments, so let's talk about the first day:

Not much occurred here. After the fact, Mop it up pointed out to me that apparently, when I'm guilty and she's guilty, voting for Mop it up is one of our tells. Even though we lost MASB right away, in a standard game, one could say the votes put us in a pretty powerful position. The end vote was primarily between two mafia members and pokepal. Thank's to BeautifulShy's efforts, we also knew pokepal had a role, though we did not know what role that was. Moving past that, I had voted for a mafia member that got in hot water and hadn't changed my vote. Mop it up, I believe, voted for MASB and was effectively one of the killing votes. If anyone went back and analyzed the day's vote, we had some fairly decent cover.

This might surprise some people based on what I said before, but I had sent in the hit for pokepal early in the day, before any of this really happened or developed. He was just a random choice.

Typically, I make the plan for how I'll play each mafia game before the game starts, as best I can to avoid modifying my plans too heavily and making obvious mistakes in over-planning. In this case, I had decided I was going to approach the game to appear uninterested, and also rarely log in to actually do anything. This is evident in day 1's post, where I voted Mop it up, primarily to feign disdain for even signing up for the game. (I was lying about not signing up above. It was a joke! I did sign up for this one.)

Upon reading the results for day 1 in day 2's thread, at first I thought we were in pretty good shape. The killer actually took out a townie role. We knew the identity of the investigator, who was ripe for being hit. Seemed pretty basic, pretty positive. A balanced exchange. We lost MASB, we gained a lot of insight.

At this point, the mafia was Insanolord, Mop it up, and me. If you've ever played one of these games with Insanolord, you know he's pretty quiet. I kept him in the loop with our plans, but we didn't hear much back. Most strategizing was discussed with Mop it up. She pointed out how screwed we really were. I didn't even see ThePerm was added in at first. I didn't see he also came with a one-time use shield.

See, I've hypothesized the best way to deal with a townie alliance where one member is clearly confirmed for all townies to see is a townie is to make a false claim about being another townie role. An easy one in a game like this? The Doctor. Yes, the end result might be that the false doctor is discovered and voted out. However, with that, there's a strong chance that you sow paranoia and distrust, while also potentially discovering the identity of other townie roles, all things considered. It's a risky play, but one that makes sense if there's a townie alliance that is too solid thanks to verifiable information in the game. This was to be the move going forward.

Except now there were two verified townies in pokepal and ThePerm. There was literally no way to move in and pretend to be a townie role without there being one confirmed member left. Two things should have really broken the game following the first night: The certain reveal of pokepal's role and the presence of a second, fully-disclosed townie who also had automatic protection. Add in that a doctor was in the game and that pokepal had auto-protection from BeautifulShy that night, and we, the mafia, essentially had no hope.

Still focusing on the actions leading into and introducing day 2, it was assumed Pokepal investigated BeautifulShy before revealing his role to her, thus swinging the vote in day 1. It wasn't a big deal if this was a one-off event. Things could still be manipulated. It meant two more investigations instead of just the first day one, which wasn't great, but could be managed. Primarily, that management occurs via schemes that cause the lone, apparent townie to mistrust the people he or she has trusted, and it can be done. As soon as that lone townie has a reliable, confirmed second role to count on, the game becomes a lot easier, and it's easier to grow confident in connections and to also be able to steer the game with an alliance.

All these things went into consideration as we began making plans for Day 2.

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Had they voted, what would have happened tomorrow?I would have hit ThePerm. It would be me, Mr. Bungle, and nickmitch.

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The craziest part about all of this is that I never even signed up.

Edit:  I have been told every time I'm mafia and Mop it up is mafia, I vote for her. Whoops!

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NWR Mafia Games / Re: Mafia 83: F-Zero Strapped for Crash! [DAY 7]
« on: December 22, 2019, 10:30:28 AM »
EVERYONE MUST BRING ME ALL OF THEIR BANANAS!

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NWR Mafia Games / Re: Mafia 83: F-Zero Strapped for Crash! [DAY 7]
« on: December 22, 2019, 10:29:45 AM »
AS SUPREME MAFIA LEADER OF THIS GAME, ALL F-ZERO TRACKS ARE NOW SUPER MONKEY BALL COURSES!

CAPTAIN FALCON MAY PILOT THE BLUE FALCON TO NAVIGATE THESE COURSES. EVERYONE ELSE GETS ONE MONKEY BALL. SONIC REMAINS A GUEST CHARACTER AND WILL BE ALLOWED TRAVERSE COURSES AS HE DOES IN THE MOST RECENT MONKEY BALL RELEASE.

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NWR Mafia Games / Re: Mafia 83: F-Zero Strapped for Crash! [DAY 7]
« on: December 22, 2019, 10:14:04 AM »
Typically, when the mafia outnumber the townies, the game is considered over.

Regardless, vote nickmitch.

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NWR Mafia Games / Re: Mafia 83: F-Zero Strapped for Crash! [DAY 6]
« on: December 22, 2019, 09:35:56 AM »
vote ThePerm. Time for the game to end.

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NWR Forums Discord / Re: I'm not making it up, it's in the NEWZ, DEWD.
« on: December 19, 2019, 11:59:16 AM »
They had the best rhinoceroses.

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NWR Mafia Games / Re: Mafia 83: F-Zero Strapped for Crash! [DAY 5]
« on: December 18, 2019, 10:32:25 PM »
So that's two votes insanolord, one vote NWR_Insanolord, and two votes for NRW_Insanolord.

This is a pretty close race!

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NWR Mafia Games / Re: Mafia 83: F-Zero Strapped for Crash! [DAY 5]
« on: December 18, 2019, 05:52:10 PM »
That's pretty straight forward. vote NWR_Insanolord

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NWR Mafia Games / Re: Mafia 83: F-Zero Strapped for Crash! [DAY 4]
« on: December 17, 2019, 12:30:48 PM »
I still think we're misunderstanding something. Steefosaurus, can you answer this: if the love birds are both townies, and the mafia and killer are all dead, wouldn't both the townies and the lovebirds win?

If the Couple consists of Townies, and there's only other Townies left alive, it is still the objective of the Couple to kill those remaining Townies. Inversely, the Townies cannot win so long as a Couple exists.

If the Couple are Romeo & Juliet, the Townies are their respective families, ya know?

Note that players in a Couple have retained whatever role they started with, they just have a different Win Objective.

Okay. Just double-checking. The way I had read it in the rules post was that, at the end of the game, the lovebirds needed to be alive to win, but weren't necessarily their own, independent faction. For example, if lovebirds were two townies, neither could day or they both die, but win conditions would be roughly the same. Same as if the lovebirds were two mafia members.

I'll be honest, I don't really understand the point of the cupid role outside of providing the game a player who can instantly make two enemies whom he knows and can likely subsequently get voted out. It seems like a death sentence, and further, like a death sentence that would cripple either the townies or the mafia depending on who is selected.

In either case, it's pretty clear we gotta take them out. I started the day reluctant, since if they're both townies (and to my knowledge we don't know who they are) it's a big townie hit to lose two at once. Now it's no big deal.

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NWR Mafia Games / Re: Mafia 83: F-Zero Strapped for Crash! [DAY 4]
« on: December 17, 2019, 09:08:39 AM »
I still think we're misunderstanding something. Steefosaurus, can you answer this: if the love birds are both townies, and the mafia and killer are all dead, wouldn't both the townies and the lovebirds win?

If that's the case, I don't think we should vote them out without being very confident one of the two of them is mafia.

I'll vote Stratos for now, but depending on how Steef answers that, I might change my vote.

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NWR Mafia Games / Re: Mafia 83: F-Zero Strapped for Crash! [DAY 4]
« on: December 16, 2019, 12:55:14 PM »
I feel like I missed a lot.

Check your shoes. I think you're standing in it.

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NWR Mafia Games / Re: Mafia 83: F-Zero Strapped for Crash! [DAY 3]
« on: December 14, 2019, 12:56:35 PM »
Looking at the hit pattern, I'm inclined to believe Lucario might be the killer. He went after an obvious townie big player on the first day, and then just took the low-hanging fruit that was ThePerm despite it being pretty clear he'd be protected since he was the only relevant hit target. I'm assuming since his description in the role thread says he's still the AA-battery powered car, he didn't even have to use his protection and the doctor jumped in.

Anyway, that's the type of gameplay I've come to expect from Lucario. Even though it seems there's a landslide, I'll vote Lucario.

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NWR Mafia Games / Re: Mafia 83: F-Zero Strapped for Crash! [DAY 3]
« on: December 13, 2019, 08:34:38 PM »
I just now realized I should have been the Baby from Dinosaurs!

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NWR Mafia Games / Re: Mafia 83: F-Zero Strapped for Crash! [DAY 3]
« on: December 13, 2019, 07:18:59 PM »
I'm the baby, gotta love me!

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NWR Mafia Games / Re: Mafia 83: F-Zero Strapped for Crash! [DAY 3]
« on: December 13, 2019, 06:45:52 PM »
Yeah, I'll hop on this train and see where it goes.

vote Lucario

Is this a vote for Lucario like we voted for ShyGuy, or is this a "HEY EVERYONE, YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR LUCARIO!" type of vote for Lucario?

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