Author Topic: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show  (Read 5893 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Jonnyboy117

  • Associate Editor
  • NWR Staff
  • Score: 37
    • View Profile
    • Nintendo World Report
Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« on: July 27, 2005, 02:44:06 AM »
NCL President to address TGS, even though his company is not exhibiting at the expo.

According to Famitsu's website, Nintendo Co. Ltd. President Satoru Iwata will be giving a nearly one hour address to the Tokyo Game Show on September 17 at 11:00 AM.  Iwata may be using this high-profile event to announce more details on the Revolution system, even though Nintendo is not exhibiting at TGS this year (as usual).  Incidentally, Microsoft exec Robbie Bach is speaking just one hour earlier than Iwata.    


Iwata last spoke at TGS in 2003; his new keynote will address the current state of the industry and the future of gaming, twenty years after the Famicom.  He is expected to discuss the perils of modern game complexity and Nintendo's strategy to save the Japanese game industry.  The Tokyo Game Show is held September 16-18 at the Makuhari Messe convention center, near Tokyo.  The second and third days are open to the public.

THE LAMB IS WATCHING!

Offline Bill Aurion

  • NWR Forum Loli
  • Score: 35
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2005, 03:18:42 AM »
It's always fun listening to Iwata's speeches...I hope this one will appear on the interweb...
~Former Resident Zelda Aficionado and Nintendo Fan~

Offline Ian Sane

  • Champion for Urban Champion
  • Score: -85
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2005, 04:31:00 AM »
I can probably paraphrase Iwata's speech right now.

Gaming is too complex.  We need to focus on non-gamers.  Nintendo has the solution but we won't show anyone because people will steal our ideas.

It's always lots of tell with no show.  If Nintendo is not going to show off the Rev at TGS Iwata shouldn't even be there.  It's time for Nintendo to put their money where their mouth is and show us something real instead of just talking about theoretical concepts.  We keep SEEING new games for the PS3 and X360 but all we have on the Rev is blind faith.  The next time Iwata speaks publicly I want to see him debut the Rev for real.  Anything else is a waste of time.  As the last place console maker Nintendo is in no position to rely on people's patience.

Offline Bill Aurion

  • NWR Forum Loli
  • Score: 35
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2005, 04:33:25 AM »
We keep SEEING new games for the PS3 and X360 but all we have on the Rev is blind faith.

Or in your case, blind pessimism...Do not dampen my glee!
~Former Resident Zelda Aficionado and Nintendo Fan~

Offline Ian Sane

  • Champion for Urban Champion
  • Score: -85
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2005, 04:54:30 AM »
It's hardly "blind" pessimism.

The Cube finished dead last in the console wars and currently has incredibly weak third party support.

Factor 5 and Silicon Knights, two Nintendo loyalists on the Cube, have left.

The last time Nintendo hid a feature because it would get stolen it turned out to be the waterpack in Super Mario Sunshine which was a pretty lame idea that was not copied.

Resident Evil 5 has been shown for every console but the Rev.

That's a lot of negatives and that makes it harder to have faith in the Rev.  Nintendo has been pretty out to lunch for the last two generations.  The odds of them suddenly turning themselves completely around is pretty slim regardless of how much I want to see it.  Therefore talk isn't enough.  "Trust us" isn't good enough.  We trusted them for the last two generations and got pretty burned as a result.

The PS3 and X360 are REAL.  They have real games, real specs, and real controllers.  The Rev might as well be vaporware.  It's just a concept.  The X360 will be in stores to buy in less than six months.  Soon it will have a release date, demo units in stores, TV commercials, a confirmed launch lineup, and EB clerks shilling it every chance they get.  Time is running out.  A concept cannot compete with real hardware.  The Rev has to become real and it has to be soon.

Offline OptimusPrime

  • Score: 0
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2005, 05:39:37 AM »
Yeah, the N64 screwed every gamer in the world despite giving us true 3D-gaming as we know it today. God what a burn...without we would still be playing third person games with D-pads! Now that's fun!
"SOMETHING"

Offline PaLaDiN

  • I'm your new travel agent!
  • Score: 1
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2005, 05:48:25 AM »
"The last time Nintendo hid a feature because it would get stolen it turned out to be the waterpack in Super Mario Sunshine which was a pretty lame idea that was not copied."

Actually, the last time Nintendo hid a feature because it would get stolen it turned out to be the two-person karting in Mario Kart, which did get copied in a sense.

I love Iwata's speeches and I'm looking forward to this one.
<BR><BR>It shone, pale as bone, <BR>As I stood there alone...

Offline vudu

  • You'd probably all be better off if I really were dead.
  • NWR Junior Ranger
  • Score: -18
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2005, 05:51:11 AM »
I can probably paraphrase Ian Sane's response to Iwata's speech right now.

Iwata keeps saying things that make me nervous.  I don't like Nintendo's strategy of appealing to the non-gamer.  I'm a gamer, and I want games for gamers.  

HD support isn't an unnecessary feature.  While most people don't own an HD-compatible TV right now, they might in five years.  If the Revolution doesn't have HD support, many people will be turned off by it.  Designing a system without HD support is short-sighted.

I'm tired of sequels.  I want new games and new franchises.
Why must all things be so bright? Why can things not appear only in hues of brown! I am so serious about this! Dull colors are the future! The next generation! I will never accept a world with such bright colors! It is far too childish! I will rage against your cheery palette with my last breath!

Offline KnowsNothing

  • Babycakes
  • Score: 11
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2005, 07:34:34 AM »
Add in a few hypocritical statements about Castlevania DS and you've got Ian's entire existance at PGC.
kka wakka wakka wakka wakka wakka wakka wa

Offline stevey

  • Young HAWNESS
  • Score: 4
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2005, 08:19:36 AM »
Ian do you need to be a joy kill? puff some weed it legal in cannada.
My Demands and Declarations:
nVidia is CRAP!!!
BOYCOTT Digest mode and LEGEND OF OO!

Your PM box will be spammed with Girl Link porn! NO EXCEPTION!
Wii want WaveBirds

Stevey Duff
NWR HAWTNESS Inspector
NWR Staff All Powerful Satin!

Offline Ian Sane

  • Champion for Urban Champion
  • Score: -85
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2005, 08:26:04 AM »
"puff some weed it legal in cannada."

No it's not.

This forum was a lot more interesting when it had people with opinions on it instead of fans blindy accepting everything Nintendo does.   When do you guys think Nintendo should reveal the Rev?  Do you honestly think they can delay it for much longer?

Offline vudu

  • You'd probably all be better off if I really were dead.
  • NWR Junior Ranger
  • Score: -18
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2005, 08:38:56 AM »
Quote

When do you guys think Nintendo should reveal the Rev? Do you honestly think they can delay it for much longer?
It depends on how much has been finalized.  Since I don't know, I can't give an exact date.  However, I'll speculate if it makes you happy.

I think if they had enough to show at E3, they should have.  However, if they didn't, a no-show is better than a weak show.  So either Nintendo dropped the ball by not showing what they should have, or they saved some face by keeping everyone in the dark until they had something worth showing.

I'm hoping they have something worth showing by now (if they didn't at E3), but I'm not sure when would be a good time to show it.  Since there's not going to be a Spaceworld, we can rule that out.  I think TGS would have been the next best place to show it, but that didn't happen either.  I certainly hope Iwata will give us some concrete details regarding the Revolution, but I wouldn't expect him to reveal everything in a 50-minute presentation coupled with the already announced topics.

At this point, I think the best thing to do would be to hold a press-only mini-show either a day before or a day after the TGS to show everyone what it's all about.
Why must all things be so bright? Why can things not appear only in hues of brown! I am so serious about this! Dull colors are the future! The next generation! I will never accept a world with such bright colors! It is far too childish! I will rage against your cheery palette with my last breath!

Offline Karl Castaneda #2

  • Staff Clone
  • Score: 4
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2005, 09:01:58 AM »
I have to at least somewhat agree with Ian on this one. You have to look at it from the perspective of a swing voter (I think that's an appropriate enough term). He doesn't know what he wants yet. He sees the Xbox 360 as having a good techincal stance, a bunch of games announced (and a handful with positive hands-on impressions from various media outlets), and a release date that's coming SOON. He sees the PS3 as the visual leader and as the next step in a two-gen dynasty of Sony owning the majority of the mindshare, not to mention as the home of a bunch of announced games.

Then he sees the Nintendo Revolution. He knows they'll have their first party games and that they'll be good, but he knows literally nothing beyond that. He sees the rumors of technical inadequacy, a complete absense of specs, and not a single announced third party game. Video games are an expensive investment. He'll want to go with what looks like the best choice for an all-around great experience, and right now, that's not Nintendo.

Now, that's not necessarily how I feel. I have a hunch that when Nintendo does their unveiling, they'll have some third party support to tout and it'll, for the most part, put them on a more equal footing with Sony and Microsoft. But how many people will have made up their minds before this happens? Nintendo needs to blow the lid off this thing as soon as possible. Every day they prolong this, another person stops caring and goes somewhere else.

Finally, get off Ian's back. I know he's mostly negative when it comes to Nintendo, but I think it's because he wants them to succeed so badly it hurts when they throw away these oppurtunities to grab the lead. He's frustrated and disappointed. And you know what? Every day that the Rev remains a mystery I feel more and more like him. Nintendo fans shouldn't have to be patient. We should have all of the support and information Sony and MS gamers do and more. I want to support Nintendo every step of the way, but they make it so damn hard that sometimes I just want to give up. That should never happen.
I am Karl Castaneda's news-posting clone, also known as Karl Castaneda #2. I have an inferiority complex, thanks to my being a clone. Fear me!

Offline couchmonkey

  • I tye dyed my Wii and I love it
  • Score: 2
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2005, 09:34:09 AM »
Nintendo IS showing its solution to complex gaming.  It's called Nintendo DS.  Yes there are games that are very complex, like Super Mario 64, on the system.  There are also games that some people think are too simple (I disagree) like Wario Ware, Yoshi, and Feel the Magic - even if they are "too simple", they still give an example of how Nintendo can make gaming simpler.  Then there's Kirby which in my opinion, has shown us the best of both worlds: It has a reasonably long, engaging adventure mode, but the controls are still extremely simple.  I could sum all of the controls up in two or three sentences.

So maybe Iwata should give a speech on how a few particular DS games have met Nintendo's requirements for simplifying gaming.  But it seems like giving speeches about existing games is not the norm...everyone likes to talk about the next big thing at these conferences.  Nintendo's next big thing is Revolution.

I do think Nintendo needs to talk about Revolution soon.  Well before the Xbox 360 launch.  I also hope that Nintendo has been showing third party developers the system for a long time.  So yeah, Nintendo has work to do, but Nintendo has been turning Iwata's theories into practice with the DS.
That's my opinion, not yours.
Now Playing: The Adventures of Link, Super Street Fighter 4, Dragon Quest IX

Offline Deguello

  • Cards makes me ill.
  • Score: 2
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2005, 09:36:25 AM »
Mindshare is absolutely worthless.  Nobody will factor in forum rantings from July 2005 into their purchase decisions.

Quote

He sees the rumors of technical inadequacy, a complete absense of specs, and not a single announced third party game.


Not one?  Not a single one?  Not even from Square-Enix?  And what, rumors are facts, now?

The reason people get on Ian's back is because he likes to argue and really doesn't care if he remains consistent in said arguments.  Like, for example, in 2003 when he said Nintendo needed to quit stroking its fans and put out games for the mainstream gamer.  Now, in 2005, Nintendo is doing just that with the DS and all we hear out of Ian is all "Where are the games for Nintendo fans?  The DS is a complete failure until I get games for gamers like these journalists said I should want in this editorial."  He also wants "new franchises" and not "redundant franchise sequels" and yet his most anticipated DS games are another redundant Castlevania and another redundant Mario game.  It's like he times his new positions on things whenever evidence of his old positions are deleted from the forums's archives.

It is also quite frustrating that he doesn't even understand why people are mad at him.  The rest of the forum is tiring of his over-pessimistic, short-sighted, narrow-minded willful ignorance that reminds them so much of the_cubed_canuck.  In terms he will probably understand, Ian is a glorified gimmicky tech demo whose novelty is quickly wearing thin.  I like him sometimes, but he is veering ever closer to "the_cubed_canuck" territory than ever before.  
It's time you saw the future while you still have human eyes.

... and those eyes see a 3DS system code : 2750-1598-3807

Offline vudu

  • You'd probably all be better off if I really were dead.
  • NWR Junior Ranger
  • Score: -18
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2005, 09:41:59 AM »
It's not so much that I completely disagree with Ian.  He has some genuine concerns and a few valid points.  But as Deg pointed out, he often contradicts himself.  More so, I can only read the same four arguments so many times before it wears thing.

Consider the second verse to the Talking Heads' song  Psycho Killer:

You start a conversation you can’t even finish it.
You’re talkin’ a lot, but you’re not sayin’ anything.
When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed.
Say something once, why say it again?
Why must all things be so bright? Why can things not appear only in hues of brown! I am so serious about this! Dull colors are the future! The next generation! I will never accept a world with such bright colors! It is far too childish! I will rage against your cheery palette with my last breath!

Offline Karl Castaneda #2

  • Staff Clone
  • Score: 4
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2005, 09:49:26 AM »
Rumors aren't facts, but they certainly can influence people in their buying decisions. As for Square Enix, you're right, I had forgotten about Iwata mentioning Crystal Chronicles at E3. Still, it'd be nice to have more than one. On Ian, I haven't watching the forums as long as you all have, so maybe I just misjudged things. In any case, his platform in this subject mirrors my own, so I can't fault him for what he's been saying in this thread.
I am Karl Castaneda's news-posting clone, also known as Karl Castaneda #2. I have an inferiority complex, thanks to my being a clone. Fear me!

Offline Ian Sane

  • Champion for Urban Champion
  • Score: -85
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2005, 10:11:43 AM »
"Like, for example, in 2003 when he said Nintendo needed to quit stroking its fans and put out games for the mainstream gamer. Now, in 2005, Nintendo is doing just that with the DS and all we hear out of Ian is all 'Where are the games for Nintendo fans?'"

I never say the DS needs more games for Nintendo fans, I say it needs more games for longtime videogame fans.  In 2003 I felt Nintendo has concentrating too much on their fanbase and not enough on videogame fans in general.  Some popular genres were being neglected in favour of more Mario franchise games.  On the DS they're making games for people who are not really interested in videogames at all.  I never suggested they do that.  In 2003 the concept of non-gamers and targeting them didn't exist.  I was suggesting Nintendo make like an FPS or an RPG with original properties to fill in genre gaps and attract gamers to the Cube beyond hardcore Nintendo fans.  It was all about attracting more existing gamers from the other consoles, not attracting people who don't play games.  I felt Nintendo's best strategy with the Rev would be to be the undisputed hardcore gamer's console because that's what they're good at.  That's not really the direction the Rev is going in at least not judging from Iwata's comments.

"He also wants 'new franchises' and not 'redundant franchise sequels' and yet his most anticipated DS games are another redundant Castlevania and another redundant Mario game."

Just because I would prefer to get new stuff doesn't mean I'm not going to be interested at all in sequels.  I just want more focus on new franchises.  It's not my fault that the new stuff Nintendo is making is stuff like Electroplankton that doesn't interest me at all.  Plus "most anticipated" is relative.  There aren't many games on the DS yet that I'm anticipating at all so Castlevania makes my list by default more than anything else.  At the time it was shown it literally was the only game I was interested in.  And we haven't had a new 2D Mario sidescroller in 10 years.  I hardly would consider a new one at this point redundant.

I only contradict myself if you view my points as strict rules and assume that if I suggest Nintendo does something that if they do it they automatically do it correctly.  If I say "Nintendo should do this" and then they technically do it but do it in a way that I feel isn't a good way to do it then it is fair for me to call them on it.  I said before the Cube launched that Nintendo should have demo discs.  Well they did but their method of distributing them was stupid so I complained about it.  Technically they did what a I suggested but they did it, well, wrong and thus I wasn't contridicting myself when I complained about it.

Offline ShyGuy

  • Tom Nook - Like a Boss!
  • *
  • Score: -9661
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2005, 10:20:54 AM »
I think what Ian's looking for is a really fine balance between new and old, innovative and traditional, mainstream and hardcore.

Offline PaLaDiN

  • I'm your new travel agent!
  • Score: 1
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2005, 10:44:34 AM »
I think this forum was a lot more interesting before everybody started pseudopsychoanalyzing Ian, myself included. Sorry about that.

My opinion on when Nintendo should release their big info is right after Sony finalizes their console. At this point it should be obvious that Nintendo really is trying to keep the controller a secret and that is probably the reason it's not visually demonstrating any of the games. With that in mind, they really should show pretty much everything else (except price and such) and a list of games at least is sorely lacking.

I think there's something we're missing though. People who are actually up to date on what's going on with Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft form a minority, and within that minority nobody has purchasing power to throw around yet. I think Nintendo's deadline for a Revolution blowout is before the X360 launch, and as they've said they will be releasing info before the end of the year, they still have breathing room.

Give me till October or so before I start getting worried about lack of info.
<BR><BR>It shone, pale as bone, <BR>As I stood there alone...

Offline Mario

  • IWATA BOAT!?
  • Score: 8
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2005, 01:02:54 PM »
I don't think ANYONE is going to make up their mind whether or not they're going to buy a Revolution this year. Nintendo Revolution is the future, and honestly i'm too busy playing my GC and DS to care at the moment.

You should check out Yoshi on DS Ian, it's simple yet unbelievably complex at the same time, it's a perfect gamers game, like Jungle Beat.

Offline Caillan

  • Token New Zealander
  • Score: 0
    • View Profile
RE:Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2005, 04:03:31 PM »
"When do you guys think Nintendo should reveal the Rev? Do you honestly think they can delay it for much longer?"

In a recent interview with Gamasutra, Dyack said that they don't have the final kits for the 360 yet, and of course Sony is still screwing around showing pre-rendered footage and whatnot. So I think it's justified that Nintendo hasn't shown off the Revolution yet. They've never prematurely given us stupid specs before, and I don't think they'll do it now. Remember that we know the controller has been shown to some developers as well. Having said that, a few cryptic screenshots and the announcement of RE5 for te Revolution right now wouldn't go astray.

"Mindshare is absolutely worthless."

I think it comes down to how people will see your products. After the PS2's mega-hyped launch, everybody knew what the PS2 was and would've recognized one imediately. Now that has a lot to do with 'mindshare', if I understand the word correctly. Every company wants consumers to know and recognize its products, why else do you think Nintendo shoves Mario in every game it can?

Besides, how else could you explain the PS2's popularity? I'm not sure how things went in the States, but over here it launched for $1000NZ with no good games for a year. And it took off. For a price-comparison, the Cube currently retails for $250NZ with RE4 packed in. Considering that Dreamcast games were looking better than the first-gen PS2 ones, you couldn't put it own to rabid technophiles either.

"I think this forum was a lot more interesting before everybody started pseudopsychoanalyzing Ian..."

Agreed.  

Offline KnowsNothing

  • Babycakes
  • Score: 11
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2005, 04:24:08 PM »
This forum was a lot more interesting when Ian didn't complain about the smae thing day-in and day-out.  I can take critizism, but when every one of your posts complains about the same thing over and over again it pisses me off.  You can reply to his posts without even reading them.  Maybe Ian's pessimistic outlook would be more tolerable if he posted anything else italics to show that it's both true and an exaggeration at the same time

On the other hand, I'm sick of people complaining about Ian, which I just did.  So I don't know what to think.  IT'S TEARING ME APART.

...

I had other, on-topic, stuff, but it's mostly been said.  I swear.  
kka wakka wakka wakka wakka wakka wakka wa

Offline IceCold

  • I love you Vanilla Ice!
  • Score: 1
    • View Profile
RE:Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2005, 05:15:22 PM »
OK, I feel that we're being hypocrites by calling out Ian about saying the same things, yet we constantly chastise him over and over again, saying the same thing. His concerns are valid and real. That doesn't mean they will come true, and I don't think many of them will, but they are still a possibility.

And if you're not looking forward to a 2D Mario and you're reading this, then close the page. Clear your History. Make PlanetGameCube.com a Restricted Site. Then erase it from your memory, because you don't deserve to be here. So, all in favour of dropping the topic (typic)?

And, going back to Iwata, unlike many of you, I absolutely love listening to (reading) his speeches, and you guys are really coming down hard on him. He says the same damn things as Reggie does, and English isn't his first language, you know. Imagine what Japanese people think about Reggie when he speaks?
"I used to sell furniture for a living. The trouble was, it was my own."
---------------------------------------------
"If your parents never had children, chances are you won't either."
----------------------------
"If it weren't for electricity we'd all be watching television by the candlelig

Offline vudu

  • You'd probably all be better off if I really were dead.
  • NWR Junior Ranger
  • Score: -18
    • View Profile
RE: Iwata to Speak at Tokyo Game Show
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2005, 05:38:57 AM »
Quote

With that in mind, they really should show pretty much everything else (except price and such) and a list of games at least is sorely lacking.
They've already listed pretty much all the first party games.  And would it really be a good idea to list the third party ones?  If you tell your competition exactly what games third parties are making for your system, all it does it give them a chance to go over to said third party and throw around a bunch of money hats to get the game on their system too.
Why must all things be so bright? Why can things not appear only in hues of brown! I am so serious about this! Dull colors are the future! The next generation! I will never accept a world with such bright colors! It is far too childish! I will rage against your cheery palette with my last breath!