Do we know what's coming next week?

Do we know what's coming next week?

Chances are high that no matter what it is, it will be better than this garbage.

Chances are high that no matter what it is, it will be better than this garbage.

Garbage is too good a word for this crap.

Garbage is too good a word for this crap.

Urban Champion? Seriously? Why are they even wasting the 5 minutes it takes to add this title to the VC database?

This is becoming absurd. Nintendo is randomly pushing buttons on a money-printing machine and not realizing that it isn't plugged in. I got a Wii Points card and two classic controllers for Christmas, and there's nothing I want to use them for.

Urban Champion? Seriously? Why are they even wasting the 5 minutes it takes to add this title to the VC database?

This is becoming absurd. Nintendo is randomly pushing buttons on a money-printing machine and not realizing that it isn't plugged in. I got a Wii Points card and two classic controllers for Christmas, and there's nothing I want to use them for.

Did we really expect them to top last week? No. But did we expect them to have the worst week yet? Nope. I am surprised other companies didn't assist this week.

Did we really expect them to top last week? No. But did we expect them to have the worst week yet? Nope. I am surprised other companies didn't assist this week.

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Urban Champion? Seriously? Why are they even wasting the 5 minutes it takes to add this title to the VC database?

This is becoming absurd. Nintendo is randomly pushing buttons on a money-printing machine and not realizing that it isn't plugged in. I got a Wii Points card and two classic controllers for Christmas, and there's nothing I want to use them for.

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Urban Champion? Seriously? Why are they even wasting the 5 minutes it takes to add this title to the VC database?

This is becoming absurd. Nintendo is randomly pushing buttons on a money-printing machine and not realizing that it isn't plugged in. I got a Wii Points card and two classic controllers for Christmas, and there's nothing I want to use them for.

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The point is this week s@cks and Nintendo dropped the ball. Everyone knows that after Christmas there is a lot of purchasing going around, which could have been on the virtual console. The fact that the N64 still only has one game released is pretty pathetic. Next week better be good.

The point is this week s@cks and Nintendo dropped the ball. Everyone knows that after Christmas there is a lot of purchasing going around, which could have been on the virtual console. The fact that the N64 still only has one game released is pretty pathetic. Next week better be good.

TICKLE MY FANCY, IWATA SLAVE!

TICKLE MY FANCY, IWATA SLAVE!

These are pretty weak reviews/impressions. There's no information anywhere to be found. We all know these are subpar releases, but you guys should at least write a little bit about them--how do they play? Did anyone responsible for the reviews even play the games or are we just speculating and judging the games based on their three second portions that appear in Wario Ware?

These are pretty weak reviews/impressions. There's no information anywhere to be found. We all know these are subpar releases, but you guys should at least write a little bit about them--how do they play? Did anyone responsible for the reviews even play the games or are we just speculating and judging the games based on their three second portions that appear in Wario Ware?

Nintendo of Japan (as well as the entire country of Japan) is likely laughing at Nintendo of America's "best efforts" when it comes to the Virtual Console.

Nintendo of Japan (as well as the entire country of Japan) is likely laughing at Nintendo of America's "best efforts" when it comes to the Virtual Console.

If I didn't have both as E-Cards I might have gotten these.

If I didn't have both as E-Cards I might have gotten these.

What happened to Dungeon Explorer? That was confirmed yesterday on Hudson Soft's website.

This week blows. I refused to buy UC for $4 on the e-Reader, why would I pay $5 for this version? Also, I hated Baseball when I played it on Animal Crossing.

What happened to Dungeon Explorer? That was confirmed yesterday on Hudson Soft's website.

This week blows. I refused to buy UC for $4 on the e-Reader, why would I pay $5 for this version? Also, I hated Baseball when I played it on Animal Crossing.

Yeah, ok, ok, but we knew these titles were coming, because of earlier lists, and we knew they were crap.

So now they're out of the way and NOA can bring on the good stuff.

Yeah, ok, ok, but we knew these titles were coming, because of earlier lists, and we knew they were crap.

So now they're out of the way and NOA can bring on the good stuff.

Urban Champion is awesome. Not $5 awesome, but the people talking smack about it make me really sad

Urban Champion is awesome. Not $5 awesome, but the people talking smack about it make me really sad

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I managed to get both for 99 cents as E-Card packs. I didn't pay 5 for them.

I managed to get both for 99 cents as E-Card packs. I didn't pay 5 for them.

Is baseball that game where if you hit a homerun and it hits the spotlights around the stadium they break? I really loved that game when I was younger, but it probaly is terrible by today's standards.

Is baseball that game where if you hit a homerun and it hits the spotlights around the stadium they break? I really loved that game when I was younger, but it probaly is terrible by today's standards.

I took a HUGE VC today, had to flush twice.

I took a HUGE VC today, had to flush twice.

What happened to Dungeon Explorer? That was confirmed yesterday on Hudson Soft's website.

It's been released in Europe for quite a while now. You got Super Mario Bros and Street Fighter instead, be happy about that.

What happened to Dungeon Explorer? That was confirmed yesterday on Hudson Soft's website.

It's been released in Europe for quite a while now. You got Super Mario Bros and Street Fighter instead, be happy about that.

You know how the first year or so of NES games had that blocky cover art that tried to simulate the graphics? That used to play a huge factor in my friends' decisions regarding what games to rent. We often rented games from a local mom and pop videostore back in the day when literally every videostore in my area was mom and pop (as opposed to now where I don't think ANY of them are). They had a great selection of games and obviously had been all the ball about NES rentals from early on because they had all the older games that retail stores didn't carry anymore.

The general rule was that the blocky cover games were an automatic no-rent because they were really old (remember when you're under ten games from like two years ago are ancient) and usually were dated as hell. The exception was Excitebike. Super Mario Bros was considered no-rent as well since, well, everyone already had it. I think we forgot that Metroid and Kid Icarus were blocky cover games as well.

Anyway the point is that the infamous no-rent blocky cover games is pretty much all Nintendo is giving us. Most of them came across as dated in 1989 and now it's 2007.

Though honestly Baseball and Urban Champion wouldn't seem so bad if they were only a buck.

Nintendo's just pushing the Animal Crossing NES games on us first because they know we want to buy something so they're trying to get us to give in and buy games we can get for free with another game first before they give us the good stuff. They'll go through the GBA NES Classics as well and then SNES titles that were ported on the GBA. They want the re-purchases first before they give us something like Super Metroid, that everyone who missed it the first time around has been waiting for a re-release for at least ten years.

You know how the first year or so of NES games had that blocky cover art that tried to simulate the graphics? That used to play a huge factor in my friends' decisions regarding what games to rent. We often rented games from a local mom and pop videostore back in the day when literally every videostore in my area was mom and pop (as opposed to now where I don't think ANY of them are). They had a great selection of games and obviously had been all the ball about NES rentals from early on because they had all the older games that retail stores didn't carry anymore.

The general rule was that the blocky cover games were an automatic no-rent because they were really old (remember when you're under ten games from like two years ago are ancient) and usually were dated as hell. The exception was Excitebike. Super Mario Bros was considered no-rent as well since, well, everyone already had it. I think we forgot that Metroid and Kid Icarus were blocky cover games as well.

Anyway the point is that the infamous no-rent blocky cover games is pretty much all Nintendo is giving us. Most of them came across as dated in 1989 and now it's 2007.

Though honestly Baseball and Urban Champion wouldn't seem so bad if they were only a buck.

Nintendo's just pushing the Animal Crossing NES games on us first because they know we want to buy something so they're trying to get us to give in and buy games we can get for free with another game first before they give us the good stuff. They'll go through the GBA NES Classics as well and then SNES titles that were ported on the GBA. They want the re-purchases first before they give us something like Super Metroid, that everyone who missed it the first time around has been waiting for a re-release for at least ten years.

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Nintendo's just pushing the Animal Crossing NES games on us first because they know we want to buy something so they're trying to get us to give in and buy games we can get for free with another game first before they give us the good stuff. They'll go through the GBA NES Classics as well and then SNES titles that were ported on the GBA. They want the re-purchases first before they give us something like Super Metroid, that everyone who missed it the first time around has been waiting for a re-release for at least ten years.

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Nintendo's just pushing the Animal Crossing NES games on us first because they know we want to buy something so they're trying to get us to give in and buy games we can get for free with another game first before they give us the good stuff. They'll go through the GBA NES Classics as well and then SNES titles that were ported on the GBA. They want the re-purchases first before they give us something like Super Metroid, that everyone who missed it the first time around has been waiting for a re-release for at least ten years.

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I'll start using the VC once Nintendo makes good on offering NEW games which are a better fit for the VC than a production print.

...and I don't mean games you can already play in flash on the internet channel, like fruit fall.

I'll start using the VC once Nintendo makes good on offering NEW games which are a better fit for the VC than a production print.

...and I don't mean games you can already play in flash on the internet channel, like fruit fall.

I likd Urban Chanmpion back in the day. But I had it recently on a plug N play thingy andit wasnt as fun as it used to be.

I likd Urban Chanmpion back in the day. But I had it recently on a plug N play thingy andit wasnt as fun as it used to be.

Some people have reported bugs in the TG-16 emulator and this time it led to the delay of Dungeon Explorer. Hence we only get two crappy games instead of two crappy games and one broken one.

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As some of you know, when games are played on an emulator, which is the case for Virtual Console games, sometimes funky things happen. Emulation technology is not perfect, so not all games work right from the get go. In this particular case, the bug was serious enough to have a the release schedule changed. I'm sure we'll have an update on when the game is coming soon.

So, call up your old buddies and tell them that the 5 player Dungeon Explorer game nite is going to have to be put off til another day. In the meantime, enjoy the sunshine. Play some ball. Have a picnic. You won't get much sun once you are down in the dungeons.

Happy New Year!

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Some people have reported bugs in the TG-16 emulator and this time it led to the delay of Dungeon Explorer. Hence we only get two crappy games instead of two crappy games and one broken one.

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So, call up your old buddies and tell them that the 5 player Dungeon Explorer game nite is going to have to be put off til another day. In the meantime, enjoy the sunshine. Play some ball. Have a picnic. You won't get much sun once you are down in the dungeons.

Happy New Year!

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... what does that mean for the European release? Should we avoid it? Is the bug limited to the US version?

... what does that mean for the European release? Should we avoid it? Is the bug limited to the US version?

I would have liked lower prices or online play-or at least high score tables. Even dud games like these (and baseball has some decent nostalgia value for me) would be worth it for a $1 and competing against other folks.

I would have liked lower prices or online play-or at least high score tables. Even dud games like these (and baseball has some decent nostalgia value for me) would be worth it for a $1 and competing against other folks.

I like on the Virtual Console it says something like "Carefully selected masterpieces"

I like on the Virtual Console it says something like "Carefully selected masterpieces"

I doubt it because they were different regions so the emulators would be different I would imagine.

I doubt it because they were different regions so the emulators would be different I would imagine.

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I still think Nintendo should just release there entire catalog. This weekly sh!t is getting old.

Unlike if they were to release everything, then it would become a very impressive feature.

I still think Nintendo should just release there entire catalog. This weekly sh!t is getting old.

Unlike if they were to release everything, then it would become a very impressive feature.

Urban Champion and Baseball are the video game equivalent of Primetime - marketed as classics, but in reality they're garbage.

I thought the American word for that is Bud Light?

Urban Champion and Baseball are the video game equivalent of Primetime - marketed as classics, but in reality they're garbage.

I thought the American word for that is Bud Light?

"But I still agree: what the hell is Nintendo holding BACK for? Are they afraid crap like Urban Champion won't get its day in the sun if they launch better games first?"

I think that is exactly their plan. NOA probably thinks that following up a major classic like Super Mario Bros with Urban Champion will encourage sales of the weaker game due to increased interest in the VC brought on by the better game or some similar weirdo logic. They probably think right after Christmas, when a whole whack of people have new Wiis, is the ideal time to sell junk because those new owners want to try out the VC.

The whole thing seems very intentional. There is an abundance of NES titles already available in Animal Crossing or as e-Reader titles or as NES Classic series games. I doubt it's a coincedence that games already available in several formats are getting released before stuff that hasn't been available since its original release.

"But I still agree: what the hell is Nintendo holding BACK for? Are they afraid crap like Urban Champion won't get its day in the sun if they launch better games first?"

I think that is exactly their plan. NOA probably thinks that following up a major classic like Super Mario Bros with Urban Champion will encourage sales of the weaker game due to increased interest in the VC brought on by the better game or some similar weirdo logic. They probably think right after Christmas, when a whole whack of people have new Wiis, is the ideal time to sell junk because those new owners want to try out the VC.

The whole thing seems very intentional. There is an abundance of NES titles already available in Animal Crossing or as e-Reader titles or as NES Classic series games. I doubt it's a coincedence that games already available in several formats are getting released before stuff that hasn't been available since its original release.

That's exactly what they're doing: squeezing money out of the "I have these wiipoints and I HAVE to buy SOMETHING" gamer.

That's exactly what they're doing: squeezing money out of the "I have these wiipoints and I HAVE to buy SOMETHING" gamer.

I think you lot are missing a key points here:

Its the HOLIDAYS for most working folks. I'm not trying to justify the crapness of the choice of titles, but if they've been in Animal Crossing it'd make sense that these games would constitute the least work for the one employee not working around Christmas.

So far I've only bought 3 VC titles, and that number isn't going to go up unless some more AAA titles get released, but in my opinion most of you are being over critical.

I think you lot are missing a key points here:

Its the HOLIDAYS for most working folks. I'm not trying to justify the crapness of the choice of titles, but if they've been in Animal Crossing it'd make sense that these games would constitute the least work for the one employee not working around Christmas.

So far I've only bought 3 VC titles, and that number isn't going to go up unless some more AAA titles get released, but in my opinion most of you are being over critical.

I don't think Nintendo starts working on the VC conversion in the same week the games get released, they could have readied some big hitters beforee launch even and gradually started releasing them.

I don't think Nintendo starts working on the VC conversion in the same week the games get released, they could have readied some big hitters beforee launch even and gradually started releasing them.

"Its the HOLIDAYS for most working folks. I'm not trying to justify the crapness of the choice of titles, but if they've been in Animal Crossing it'd make sense that these games would constitute the least work for the one employee not working around Christmas."

We're not just talking about one lousy week. The VC selection has been lame since day one.

"Its the HOLIDAYS for most working folks. I'm not trying to justify the crapness of the choice of titles, but if they've been in Animal Crossing it'd make sense that these games would constitute the least work for the one employee not working around Christmas."

We're not just talking about one lousy week. The VC selection has been lame since day one.

Super Mario Brothers, Bonk, Mario 64, Legend of Zelda...they're all lame? Are you sure Ian? Or is it just that you're frustrated because you aren't getting what you want? Man, what a control freak you are, sheesh.

Super Mario Brothers, Bonk, Mario 64, Legend of Zelda...they're all lame? Are you sure Ian? Or is it just that you're frustrated because you aren't getting what you want? Man, what a control freak you are, sheesh.

Of course, it's Ian's stupid, tired forum gimmick where if it doesn't appeal to him, it can only mean it doesn't appeal to anyone!

Of course, it's Ian's stupid, tired forum gimmick where if it doesn't appeal to him, it can only mean it doesn't appeal to anyone!

"Super Mario Brothers, Bonk, Mario 64, Legend of Zelda...they're all lame? Are you sure Ian? Or is it just that you're frustrated because you aren't getting what you want? Man, what a control freak you are, sheesh."

I mean the lame release schedule where we often get very few games from Nintendo each week (including major neglect of the SNES and N64) and a lot of them are junk no one would ever download and the rest are classic titles that everyone already has because they've been re-released a hundred times before.

"Super Mario Brothers, Bonk, Mario 64, Legend of Zelda...they're all lame? Are you sure Ian? Or is it just that you're frustrated because you aren't getting what you want? Man, what a control freak you are, sheesh."

I mean the lame release schedule where we often get very few games from Nintendo each week (including major neglect of the SNES and N64) and a lot of them are junk no one would ever download and the rest are classic titles that everyone already has because they've been re-released a hundred times before.

Meh, I'm used to wait for whatever it is I want, and I'm not going to bitch about it unless I'm the one at fault.

Meh, I'm used to wait for whatever it is I want, and I'm not going to bitch about it unless I'm the one at fault.

VC has a decent selection if you look at it openly. Currently I have Zelda, SM64, Ecco, Bonk, Alien Crush (never got a chance to play any TGX game before VC), Gunstar, and Ristar.

VC has a decent selection if you look at it openly. Currently I have Zelda, SM64, Ecco, Bonk, Alien Crush (never got a chance to play any TGX game before VC), Gunstar, and Ristar.

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Like Tennis a few weeks ago, you've already got an awesome (and decidedly fierce) version of Baseball in the Wii Sports compilation. Keep your Wii Points on the bench.

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I'd personally think that being able to say "more that 1,000 games available for download on the VC!" is a better selling point for the Wii than trying to convince people to buy Urban Champion and Tennis by only releasing them one week.

I'd personally think that being able to say "more that 1,000 games available for download on the VC!" is a better selling point for the Wii than trying to convince people to buy Urban Champion and Tennis by only releasing them one week.

SB knows what I'm talking about....

Hopefully Nintendo will listen. They must realize that simply having a full VC would sell the console in droves (even more so then now).

SB knows what I'm talking about....

Hopefully Nintendo will listen. They must realize that simply having a full VC would sell the console in droves (even more so then now).

Yes but they realize they couldn't increase the Wii sales numbers by increasing its appeal right now as it's still supply limited.

Yes but they realize they couldn't increase the Wii sales numbers by increasing its appeal right now as it's still supply limited.

Well yea...

But that's not the point.

Well yea...

But that's not the point.

Yes it is

Yes it is

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~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

lol

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

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So when the Wii sales numbers increase, the appeal of having 1,000+ games for download will stop existing all of a sudden?

No but your ability to make 1000+ games available doesn't disappear, either. By limiting their selection they have successfully made many people buy "B-list" games. If all the A-list titles were available the B-list titles wouldn't be bought but if people already bought the B-list titles that won't stop them from buying A-list titles.

Additionally, most of the games on these platforms were made by companies who aren't on board witht he VC yet and probably wouldn't enjoy jumping into a pool full of A-list titles that will overshadow anything they can provide.

So when the Wii sales numbers increase, the appeal of having 1,000+ games for download will stop existing all of a sudden?

No but your ability to make 1000+ games available doesn't disappear, either. By limiting their selection they have successfully made many people buy "B-list" games. If all the A-list titles were available the B-list titles wouldn't be bought but if people already bought the B-list titles that won't stop them from buying A-list titles.

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Competition is competition. If a game sucked 20 years ago and no one bought it, it's going to suck now and no one will buy it.

Not every game that will drown in the flood is necessarily bad. Imagine Square put Dragon Quest 1 and Final Fantasy 1 on the VC while Sega added the entire Phantasy Star series. Which one would sell? Sega and Hudson are throwing their heavy hitters out there because most people who'd open the VC would look for Nintendo games first and then start reading the descriptions of the games they haven't heard of. How many would have bought Bonk in the presence of Super Mario Bros? How many people even know what a Turbografx is?

I think poor reception of the virtual console is more of a factor when it comes to deciding whether or not to release games on it, and right now, the VC is a laughing joke.

I think it offers plenty of titles although it will disappoint if you expect to find a complete list of games for any platform represented. It's not like the sytem is completely devoid of any great games.

The VC was supposed to be a means of supplying the many retro games of our gaming childhoods which we loved to us in an easily accessible format, not giving sh*tty games a second chance in the hopes of cashing in on our boredom.

No, the VC was designed around one purpose: Allowing Nintendo to make money with minimal effort. I'm not saying I like the current situation but I think there are reasons for it.

Competition is competition. If a game sucked 20 years ago and no one bought it, it's going to suck now and no one will buy it.

Not every game that will drown in the flood is necessarily bad. Imagine Square put Dragon Quest 1 and Final Fantasy 1 on the VC while Sega added the entire Phantasy Star series. Which one would sell? Sega and Hudson are throwing their heavy hitters out there because most people who'd open the VC would look for Nintendo games first and then start reading the descriptions of the games they haven't heard of. How many would have bought Bonk in the presence of Super Mario Bros? How many people even know what a Turbografx is?

I think poor reception of the virtual console is more of a factor when it comes to deciding whether or not to release games on it, and right now, the VC is a laughing joke.

I think it offers plenty of titles although it will disappoint if you expect to find a complete list of games for any platform represented. It's not like the sytem is completely devoid of any great games.

The VC was supposed to be a means of supplying the many retro games of our gaming childhoods which we loved to us in an easily accessible format, not giving sh*tty games a second chance in the hopes of cashing in on our boredom.

No, the VC was designed around one purpose: Allowing Nintendo to make money with minimal effort. I'm not saying I like the current situation but I think there are reasons for it.

"Not every game that will drown in the flood is necessarily bad. Imagine Square put Dragon Quest 1 and Final Fantasy 1 on the VC while Sega added the entire Phantasy Star series. Which one would sell? Sega and Hudson are throwing their heavy hitters out there because most people who'd open the VC would look for Nintendo games first and then start reading the descriptions of the games they haven't heard of. How many would have bought Bonk in the presence of Super Mario Bros? How many people even know what a Turbografx is?"

I think the VC is going to attract two types of customers. Most people are probably only going to download what they're familiar with. They're going to buy games they played when they were kids or games they've heard good things about. The other group is the more hardware gamer that is going to do more research and use the VC to try out games they missed. They'll look up info on the VC games they've never heard of.

Neither group requires Nintendo to be doing things as they are. For group A it doesn't matter when Phantasy Star or Bonk get released. If they've never heard of those games they won't try them anyway. Group B is hardcore enough to do their research and even if Final Fantasy gets released the same week they'll buy Phantasy Star IV because they know it kicks ass, or they'll do research and discover it does.

One thing that is also different is that these games have unlimited shelf life. In real life if a game comes out at the wrong time and gets overshadowed by a bigger title it can be totally screwed because after a few months or sooner the stores replace it on the shelves with a newer title, unless it's a big hit. In real stores games have a short period of time to be a hit. Often an overlooked game remains overlooked because it doesn't return to stores in any meaningful way so even after people have heard it was a great title they missed they can't buy it. But on the VC there is no problem. A game is available for purchase indefinitely, thus allowing any title to be a word-of-mouth hit. So the good games will sell better.

And like smash mentioned it makes no sense for this "plan" to be required in North America but not in Japan. If you're going to defend NOA for what they're doing then sh!t on NCL because SOMEONE is doing something wrong. They can't both be right. We should be b!tching about NCL being such FOOLS for having a good selection of VC titles and thus screwing over third parties.

"Not every game that will drown in the flood is necessarily bad. Imagine Square put Dragon Quest 1 and Final Fantasy 1 on the VC while Sega added the entire Phantasy Star series. Which one would sell? Sega and Hudson are throwing their heavy hitters out there because most people who'd open the VC would look for Nintendo games first and then start reading the descriptions of the games they haven't heard of. How many would have bought Bonk in the presence of Super Mario Bros? How many people even know what a Turbografx is?"

I think the VC is going to attract two types of customers. Most people are probably only going to download what they're familiar with. They're going to buy games they played when they were kids or games they've heard good things about. The other group is the more hardware gamer that is going to do more research and use the VC to try out games they missed. They'll look up info on the VC games they've never heard of.

Neither group requires Nintendo to be doing things as they are. For group A it doesn't matter when Phantasy Star or Bonk get released. If they've never heard of those games they won't try them anyway. Group B is hardcore enough to do their research and even if Final Fantasy gets released the same week they'll buy Phantasy Star IV because they know it kicks ass, or they'll do research and discover it does.

One thing that is also different is that these games have unlimited shelf life. In real life if a game comes out at the wrong time and gets overshadowed by a bigger title it can be totally screwed because after a few months or sooner the stores replace it on the shelves with a newer title, unless it's a big hit. In real stores games have a short period of time to be a hit. Often an overlooked game remains overlooked because it doesn't return to stores in any meaningful way so even after people have heard it was a great title they missed they can't buy it. But on the VC there is no problem. A game is available for purchase indefinitely, thus allowing any title to be a word-of-mouth hit. So the good games will sell better.

And like smash mentioned it makes no sense for this "plan" to be required in North America but not in Japan. If you're going to defend NOA for what they're doing then sh!t on NCL because SOMEONE is doing something wrong. They can't both be right. We should be b!tching about NCL being such FOOLS for having a good selection of VC titles and thus screwing over third parties.

I have a good feeling the reason we have a lack of VC games is partly due to the ESRB. Every game has to be rated by them and they don't seem to be rushing games out very fast.

I think they also want to give some games some time in the spot light to get people to try them out. If Super Mario Bros 3 was relesed the same day as Dungeon Explorer no one would touch Dungeon Explorer. I've heard that Dungeon Explorer is actually a pretty good 5 player dungenon craw / RPG style game.

I have a feeling right now Nintendo is just trying to get some games out there so we at least get something every Monday, but I bet come spring we'll be seeing like 10 or so games every Monday. From what I've heard it does take a little time to get the emulators working with some of the games, Dungeon Explorer was delayed for that reason. It was supost to be a christmas title.

I see things getting better by this Spring, but it will take a bit of time, I much rather we start off with a trickle of games then get a huge batch of buggy games that crash mid game or have graphic errors or bad sound. We don't need a batch of Sonic 15th Birthday GBA sytle ROMs on the VC, bad games would only do damage to the VC cause people wouldn't want to risk buying a bad game. They do need to get more of their Big name games out there, but at the same time I don't want to see them launch all their popular games all at once. let them come in one a month or so.


what does JP have that we don't, A Link to the Past, Super Mario World, Donkey Kong Country, Adventure Island and a few JP Only games. We can't do anything about the JP Only games and So what they got ALttP and SMW before us big deal we got the Wii a Month before them. they had to give them somthing. As for why Adventure Island and Donkey Kong Country aren't in the US. I have No idea why but I think DKC might have been pushed back cause we still have the GBA version on the market.

And if you look at what we have coming to us so far for Q1 it looks like alot of good titles are on their way. Thou it looks a bit dry for Japan.

NES:
Dr. Mario
Duck Hunt
Excitebike
Galaga
Hogan's Alley
Ice Climber
Kid Icarus
Kirby's Adventure
Punch-Out!!
Pro Wrestling
Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels
Super Mario Bros. 3
Wild Gunman

SNES:
Contra III: The Alien Wars
Donkey Kong Country
Hagane: The Final Conflict
Kirby Super Star
Kirby's Dream Land 3
Pilotwings
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
Super Mario World
Super Metroid
Tin Star
Uniracers

I have a good feeling the reason we have a lack of VC games is partly due to the ESRB. Every game has to be rated by them and they don't seem to be rushing games out very fast.

I think they also want to give some games some time in the spot light to get people to try them out. If Super Mario Bros 3 was relesed the same day as Dungeon Explorer no one would touch Dungeon Explorer. I've heard that Dungeon Explorer is actually a pretty good 5 player dungenon craw / RPG style game.

I have a feeling right now Nintendo is just trying to get some games out there so we at least get something every Monday, but I bet come spring we'll be seeing like 10 or so games every Monday. From what I've heard it does take a little time to get the emulators working with some of the games, Dungeon Explorer was delayed for that reason. It was supost to be a christmas title.

I see things getting better by this Spring, but it will take a bit of time, I much rather we start off with a trickle of games then get a huge batch of buggy games that crash mid game or have graphic errors or bad sound. We don't need a batch of Sonic 15th Birthday GBA sytle ROMs on the VC, bad games would only do damage to the VC cause people wouldn't want to risk buying a bad game. They do need to get more of their Big name games out there, but at the same time I don't want to see them launch all their popular games all at once. let them come in one a month or so.


what does JP have that we don't, A Link to the Past, Super Mario World, Donkey Kong Country, Adventure Island and a few JP Only games. We can't do anything about the JP Only games and So what they got ALttP and SMW before us big deal we got the Wii a Month before them. they had to give them somthing. As for why Adventure Island and Donkey Kong Country aren't in the US. I have No idea why but I think DKC might have been pushed back cause we still have the GBA version on the market.

And if you look at what we have coming to us so far for Q1 it looks like alot of good titles are on their way. Thou it looks a bit dry for Japan.

NES:
Dr. Mario
Duck Hunt
Excitebike
Galaga
Hogan's Alley
Ice Climber
Kid Icarus
Kirby's Adventure
Punch-Out!!
Pro Wrestling
Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels
Super Mario Bros. 3
Wild Gunman

SNES:
Contra III: The Alien Wars
Donkey Kong Country
Hagane: The Final Conflict
Kirby Super Star
Kirby's Dream Land 3
Pilotwings
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
Super Mario World
Super Metroid
Tin Star
Uniracers

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I think it offers plenty of titles although it will disappoint if you expect to find a complete list of games for any platform represented. It's not like the sytem is completely devoid of any great games.

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No, the VC was designed around one purpose: Allowing Nintendo to make money with minimal effort. I'm not saying I like the current situation but I think there are reasons for it.

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One thing that is also different is that these games have unlimited shelf life. In real life if a game comes out at the wrong time and gets overshadowed by a bigger title it can be totally screwed because after a few months or sooner the stores replace it on the shelves with a newer title, unless it's a big hit. In real stores games have a short period of time to be a hit. Often an overlooked game remains overlooked because it doesn't return to stores in any meaningful way so even after people have heard it was a great title they missed they can't buy it. But on the VC there is no problem. A game is available for purchase indefinitely, thus allowing any title to be a word-of-mouth hit. So the good games will sell better.

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No, the VC was designed around one purpose: Allowing Nintendo to make money with minimal effort. I'm not saying I like the current situation but I think there are reasons for it.

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I can't believe how many people are bitching about the virtual console. It's unbelievable. It has been argued to death why they are timing the releases and there are plenty of good reasons for it. If you don't understand their angle enough to drop it, I'm not sure what to tell you.

I understand everyone wants to buy their favorite games at launch. The only way to support that is to make every single one available at launch, and they decided that the benefits of spacing them out were far better than pleasing the hardcore fans.

Here's a summary:

-The marketing benefits of releasing new games every week is huge. It keeps the service "alive" so to speak.
-Everyone who got a Wii and wanted to try out the VC downloaded some games that they wouldn't have if every game was available at launch.
-Spacing games out makes the store less overwhelming to the purchaser, so they are more apt to throw some dollars at it.

I don't understand how you all can disagree with these points. If Nintendo did put every game on there up front, maybe they would have sold more now, but the sales wouldn't be as consistent in the long run and the service could "die".

I'm sorry you are all so bummed about this, but give it a rest.

I can't believe how many people are bitching about the virtual console. It's unbelievable. It has been argued to death why they are timing the releases and there are plenty of good reasons for it. If you don't understand their angle enough to drop it, I'm not sure what to tell you.

I understand everyone wants to buy their favorite games at launch. The only way to support that is to make every single one available at launch, and they decided that the benefits of spacing them out were far better than pleasing the hardcore fans.

Here's a summary:

-The marketing benefits of releasing new games every week is huge. It keeps the service "alive" so to speak.
-Everyone who got a Wii and wanted to try out the VC downloaded some games that they wouldn't have if every game was available at launch.
-Spacing games out makes the store less overwhelming to the purchaser, so they are more apt to throw some dollars at it.

I don't understand how you all can disagree with these points. If Nintendo did put every game on there up front, maybe they would have sold more now, but the sales wouldn't be as consistent in the long run and the service could "die".

I'm sorry you are all so bummed about this, but give it a rest.

"I have a good feeling the reason we have a lack of VC games is partly due to the ESRB. Every game has to be rated by them and they don't seem to be rushing games out very fast."

That's pretty damn likely actually. Still Nintendo is submitting Urban Champion to the ESRB prior to Super Mario World.

Pale makes some decent points about spacing releases. But why do games already re-released on the GBA or as e-Reader titles or in Animal Crossing get released first? Why is Nintendo giving the SNES and N64 so few releases compared to the NES? And even if it makes sense to space out the titles why should it be at such a slow rate? If like ten games came out a week then we're getting somewhere.

Spacing things out seems necessary anyway because of the ESRB, like cap mentioned, and the fact that every game has custom controls and thus it just takes time to release everything. They can't just do a massive ROM dump. But the execution of a spaced release isn't any good. There shouldn't be only one N64 game. There shouldn't be an overemphasis on lousy NES titles. The releases could still be staggered but the results could be better. There shouldn't be any weeks where there are only two titles released and both of them are crap.

I think something on par with the Japanese VC would be good enough. That's still a staggered release but they're not intentionally holding back major titles. The difference is only a few titles but LttP, Super Mario World, and DKC are huge titles and that makes a big difference.

"I have a good feeling the reason we have a lack of VC games is partly due to the ESRB. Every game has to be rated by them and they don't seem to be rushing games out very fast."

That's pretty damn likely actually. Still Nintendo is submitting Urban Champion to the ESRB prior to Super Mario World.

Pale makes some decent points about spacing releases. But why do games already re-released on the GBA or as e-Reader titles or in Animal Crossing get released first? Why is Nintendo giving the SNES and N64 so few releases compared to the NES? And even if it makes sense to space out the titles why should it be at such a slow rate? If like ten games came out a week then we're getting somewhere.

Spacing things out seems necessary anyway because of the ESRB, like cap mentioned, and the fact that every game has custom controls and thus it just takes time to release everything. They can't just do a massive ROM dump. But the execution of a spaced release isn't any good. There shouldn't be only one N64 game. There shouldn't be an overemphasis on lousy NES titles. The releases could still be staggered but the results could be better. There shouldn't be any weeks where there are only two titles released and both of them are crap.

I think something on par with the Japanese VC would be good enough. That's still a staggered release but they're not intentionally holding back major titles. The difference is only a few titles but LttP, Super Mario World, and DKC are huge titles and that makes a big difference.

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Donkey Kong Country is available in Europe. Has been since the VC launch I think.

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I don't understand how you all can disagree with these points. If Nintendo did put every game on there up front, maybe they would have sold more now, but the sales wouldn't be as consistent in the long run and the service could "die".

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I don't understand how you all can disagree with these points. If Nintendo did put every game on there up front, maybe they would have sold more now, but the sales wouldn't be as consistent in the long run and the service could "die".

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The service doesn't need to be "alive". Do you know what would happen if every possible game from all of the supported consoles was on the VC right now?

People would be buying a new game every other day because there would be a nigh-endless selection for them to choose from.

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The service doesn't need to be "alive". Do you know what would happen if every possible game from all of the supported consoles was on the VC right now?

People would be buying a new game every other day because there would be a nigh-endless selection for them to choose from.

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Originally posted by: IceCold Exactly. In all your points you somehow overlook the most important negative of having all these VC games available. With so many good, cheap games available, people would spend all their money and time on these games rather than the new Wii games. Above all, Nintendo needs to protect the tie-in ratio of the Wii right now.

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"Exactly. In all your points you somehow overlook the most important negative of having all these VC games available. With so many good, cheap games available, people would spend all their money and time on these games rather than the new Wii games. Above all, Nintendo needs to protect the tie-in ratio of the Wii right now.."

What new Wii games? If anything right now is the time to have more VC games to distract people from the drought of decent titles that will be plagueing the Wii for the next several months. Nintendo consoles have a poor reputation these days for having weak release schedules. A Nintendo console means a console with a handful of great games a year and nothing else worth a damn. Nintendo can't avoid that for now because as a new console the Wii is going to have that kind of release schedule. But with the VC it can be made better. If the userbase is playing something else they're not going to be as affected by the drought and thus the Wii can avoid getting the same negative reputation the N64 and Cube had. And once that reputation is there third parties will avoid the Wii and nothing can "fix" it.

Right now if you've beaten Zelda and no one is over to play WiiSports you're going to be kind of bored with your Wii. The VC should help make it so that doesn't happen but if the selection is poor then it doesn't do it. I don't think we should have the entire library available right now (I don't think it's even feasible) but the selection should be such that one should not be bored with their Wii. A good console always has something else for you to do. Otherwise it's the standard Nintendo console where you spend months with nothing to play. There's no excuse for there to be nothing to play when hundreds of games COULD be released for the Wii but aren't.

I've never liked the idea of using the VC to fill up gaps because I figured Nintendo would abuse it. But here it is clearly needed and they're not doing anything. A year from now the release schedule should be such that the VC won't need to be used to fill gaps. If it still is needed then the Wii is just the Gamecube 2 and Nintendo is f*cked anyway. But for now in the post-launch period gaps in the release schedule are normal and Nintendo might as well use the VC to fill gaps now when it's needed. Why save Super Metroid for later? There shouldn't BE A LATER. If Super Metroid has to be saved for a future date then the Wii is a damn failure. By the end of the year Wii releases should just be rolling out on a regular basis.

Hell once the Wii release schedule is regular the VC probably won't be as popular because there will be new titles to play.

"Exactly. In all your points you somehow overlook the most important negative of having all these VC games available. With so many good, cheap games available, people would spend all their money and time on these games rather than the new Wii games. Above all, Nintendo needs to protect the tie-in ratio of the Wii right now.."

What new Wii games? If anything right now is the time to have more VC games to distract people from the drought of decent titles that will be plagueing the Wii for the next several months. Nintendo consoles have a poor reputation these days for having weak release schedules. A Nintendo console means a console with a handful of great games a year and nothing else worth a damn. Nintendo can't avoid that for now because as a new console the Wii is going to have that kind of release schedule. But with the VC it can be made better. If the userbase is playing something else they're not going to be as affected by the drought and thus the Wii can avoid getting the same negative reputation the N64 and Cube had. And once that reputation is there third parties will avoid the Wii and nothing can "fix" it.

Right now if you've beaten Zelda and no one is over to play WiiSports you're going to be kind of bored with your Wii. The VC should help make it so that doesn't happen but if the selection is poor then it doesn't do it. I don't think we should have the entire library available right now (I don't think it's even feasible) but the selection should be such that one should not be bored with their Wii. A good console always has something else for you to do. Otherwise it's the standard Nintendo console where you spend months with nothing to play. There's no excuse for there to be nothing to play when hundreds of games COULD be released for the Wii but aren't.

I've never liked the idea of using the VC to fill up gaps because I figured Nintendo would abuse it. But here it is clearly needed and they're not doing anything. A year from now the release schedule should be such that the VC won't need to be used to fill gaps. If it still is needed then the Wii is just the Gamecube 2 and Nintendo is f*cked anyway. But for now in the post-launch period gaps in the release schedule are normal and Nintendo might as well use the VC to fill gaps now when it's needed. Why save Super Metroid for later? There shouldn't BE A LATER. If Super Metroid has to be saved for a future date then the Wii is a damn failure. By the end of the year Wii releases should just be rolling out on a regular basis.

Hell once the Wii release schedule is regular the VC probably won't be as popular because there will be new titles to play.

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1. The Gateway Game
What game will finally convince people to pick up a Wii points card? It could be ANY game, and as such, the more torpedoes in the water, the greater the chances of getting a "hit". The right game WILL lure me into spending $20 to get one of those cards, which in turn will increase my chances of spending those other 1000 points on a game I wouldn't have otherwise bought.

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If you're like me and you just finished Zelda, Red Steel, Rayman, FarCry, CoD3, etc. etc., then you're probably twiddling your thumbs and checking your watch for Wario Ware. In the meantime, I have to admit that the 360 is showing some pretty decent games as of late, and it's tempting. I'd be willing to entertain some VC games to get me through the downtimes, but with a lacking selection, I'm glad my roommate has a 360 with Gears of War so I don't have to buy one instead.

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I just can't see an advantage for the CONSUMER, nor a longtime advantage for Nintendo, for VC games to be released in a trickle like they are now.

More games = more appeal = more points subscribers = more secondary game sales = more incentive for 3rd parties to add their games = more games...repeat.

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What game will finally convince people to pick up a Wii points card? It could be ANY game, and as such, the more torpedoes in the water, the greater the chances of getting a "hit". The right game WILL lure me into spending $20 to get one of those cards, which in turn will increase my chances of spending those other 1000 points on a game I wouldn't have otherwise bought.

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If you're like me and you just finished Zelda, Red Steel, Rayman, FarCry, CoD3, etc. etc., then you're probably twiddling your thumbs and checking your watch for Wario Ware. In the meantime, I have to admit that the 360 is showing some pretty decent games as of late, and it's tempting. I'd be willing to entertain some VC games to get me through the downtimes, but with a lacking selection, I'm glad my roommate has a 360 with Gears of War so I don't have to buy one instead.

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I just can't see an advantage for the CONSUMER, nor a longtime advantage for Nintendo, for VC games to be released in a trickle like they are now.

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You seem to be tossing together concepts here. What you are talking about is more in favor of the slow roll out then the "toss as much as we can on there" from a business perspective. For example, if I really wanted Super Castlevania, and got a $20 card... then chances are good I would spend the rest on something I wouldn't have gotten had they all been there.

However, if the service was filled with everything, it wouldn't be an issue at all as I could pick up Castlevania, Super Mario RPG, and others. I'd have no reason to bother with the other titles, not more reason, so I don't understand how you can pitch it like this.

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Counter example 2: The sales for the Japanese VC. Just take a look and see how neglected the third party games are. Does that make someone eager to go through the paper work to make this possible, and then hire people to both emulate your titles and test them... or less?

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You seem to be tossing together concepts here. What you are talking about is more in favor of the slow roll out then the "toss as much as we can on there" from a business perspective. For example, if I really wanted Super Castlevania, and got a $20 card... then chances are good I would spend the rest on something I wouldn't have gotten had they all been there.

However, if the service was filled with everything, it wouldn't be an issue at all as I could pick up Castlevania, Super Mario RPG, and others. I'd have no reason to bother with the other titles, not more reason, so I don't understand how you can pitch it like this.

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Counter examples: Gamecube, "No party, except for first party". Due to my site, I had a good relationship with Kirby Fong, a producer for Atari before he moved on to Konami, and he literally said that to me about the Gamecube, and Atari's decision to move the Godzilla franchise from the Gamecube to the Xbox and then finally the PS2. It's foolish to think that third parties aren't cautious of Nintendo's selling power, and to have their titles dumped onto the service is very likely to make them more hesitant to support it. I seem to forget, who was happy that a less than "AAA" title like Red Steel was selling well on the Wii and the message that was sending?

Counter example 2: The sales for the Japanese VC. Just take a look and see how neglected the third party games are. Does that make someone eager to go through the paper work to make this possible, and then hire people to both emulate your titles and test them... or less?

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Pipe dreams are nice, but in the end that's all they are.

While everyone's complaining, I'm gonna be playing 5 minutes of Donkey Kong Jr. every night before I go to sleep and cycling in and out my growing library of shiny new TurboGraphX games... I actually beat the first level of Star Soldier! W00T!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Pipe dreams are nice, but in the end that's all they are.

While everyone's complaining, I'm gonna be playing 5 minutes of Donkey Kong Jr. every night before I go to sleep and cycling in and out my growing library of shiny new TurboGraphX games... I actually beat the first level of Star Soldier! W00T!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

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I pretty much agree with everything Arbok said. Great post.

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What happens when you finish Castlevania, SMRPG, etc. etc. and still have 500 points left over?

All of those B-list games will still be waiting there for you to buy them.

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I pretty much agree with everything Arbok said. Great post.

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What happens when you finish Castlevania, SMRPG, etc. etc. and still have 500 points left over?

All of those B-list games will still be waiting there for you to buy them.

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I'm not trying to be a colossal assh*le (though I realize I'm coming across that way), but I've yet to see anything convincing me that a rich and full VC library wouldn't be vastly superior to the sickly, malnourished library we have now.

That's why Nintendo does market research so they have more than speculation to work with. It convinced them but they aren't sharing.

I'm not trying to be a colossal assh*le (though I realize I'm coming across that way), but I've yet to see anything convincing me that a rich and full VC library wouldn't be vastly superior to the sickly, malnourished library we have now.

That's why Nintendo does market research so they have more than speculation to work with. It convinced them but they aren't sharing.

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Originally posted by: IceCold
Also, you haven't acknowledged the Japanese VC sales. Third parties got raped there; I think there was only one VC game from a 3rd party in the top 10. It's likely that the games overlooked won't get a second chance, and the lifetime sales will still be horrible. As we all know, the VC is supposed to appeal to the casual and lapsed gamers, those who remember the old 2D days. The "gateway drug" for these people is Super Mario Bros. Sure, you may say that it's been re-released countless times, but they don't care. That is the ultimate hook.

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Originally posted by: IceCold
Also, you haven't acknowledged the Japanese VC sales. Third parties got raped there; I think there was only one VC game from a 3rd party in the top 10. It's likely that the games overlooked won't get a second chance, and the lifetime sales will still be horrible. As we all know, the VC is supposed to appeal to the casual and lapsed gamers, those who remember the old 2D days. The "gateway drug" for these people is Super Mario Bros. Sure, you may say that it's been re-released countless times, but they don't care. That is the ultimate hook.

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