I want a longer and more challenging adventure. That's the one thing that Metriod Prime had going against it in my opinion. MP multiplayer wouldn't work IMHO, and I'm not really big on this whole GCN/GBA connectivity. For a game like MP, I don't think they should try to fiddle with connectivity. I definitely don't want it to go 2D again.

I agree. Multiplayer Metroid is just wrong on so many different levels. 2D-Metroid can be done on the GBA just fine (especially with the GBA player coming out soon). I really am quite a fan of the connectivity thing, but it's not nearly as important as real gameplay. Hard Mode was great. MP2 should have, like, "Harder Mode" . Something that's nearly impossible.

And yes, please, make it longer. MP was pretty long compared to most of today's games, but then again when you've got Nintendo releasing 10 hr. games (coughtPIKMINcough) then there's something wrong.

yeah i agree it needs to be a bit longer. also they should change the controls make it like the ones on halo and take off the lock on thing maybe.

Everyone vote for a side-scroller!

NO! DO NOT REMOVE THE LOCK ON!

That would completely ruin the game and make it another mindless FPS. We don't need another mindless FPS.

Metroid Prime is so great because it's not a first person shooter, but rather a first person adventure. The emphisis being not on the shooting, but rather the puzzles, exploration, and plot. If you remove the lock on feature, it's liable to just become another fragfest. I mean... Imagine trying to play 3D Zelda without a lock-on.

omg... people are voting for multiplayer!!! how can that be winning right now?!? that would screw the whole series. Metroid is NOT a multiplayer type game. it was never meant to be, a cooperative mode would be pushing it... but this is NOT nintendo's Halo and never meant to be, MP was a perfect transition from 2d to 3d for this series, controls and all. leave it how it is, just make it longer and harder, c'mon people... sheesh.

you got a point that's what makes the game good is the puzzels and stuff. the only thing i realy hate about the control thing is you can't look down when your jumping of ledges also how you have to stop to aim up.

Hey! What about Kraid? That would be so nice! He is so big. It would make a cool bossfight dont you think? And theres a monster i miss, if you scan the rumbling container (its in the room with the fall of zebes log entry) you will see a little pic of that monster! Its a classic! Why didn't it make it to the game?

can't people forget multiplayer? i've been multiplaying on consoles and PC for years , but i've become quite sick of it to tell you the truth. everyone forgets about single player
i voted for more connectivity.

I thought alot about multiplayer and it could be done. That's what I voted for.

Metroid multiplayer would just turn out to be a bunch of people all locked on to one another, circular straifing eachother hoping to get a shot in. I don't think the "lock on" feature works well for multiplayer. I would vote longer harder, but nintendos site is down.

Multiplayer wouldn't work for Prime because of the lock-on feature.

BUT, I'm sure they'd be able to find a way around this with a few changes in the control scheme.

You people worry too much.

If you think this MP@ Multiplayer debate is bad, don't look at th one over at Gamefaqs. People seems to think that Metroid should be like Halo or Half-Life.

You see Nintendo? You see what happens when you release games in 8-year intervals? You create more N*WBIES!!!!

I voted for connectivity though really I don't absolutely require it. It's just what I would like to see the most out of the four options. What I really would like to see is Samus move faster. I hate getting killed because I can't turn around fast enough.

The fact that multiplayer is winning shows how many philistines, who have no clue what Metroid is, bought Metroid Prime. Nintendo should just make a different FPS to shut up all the "I've been playing games since 1997" retards who think that every game played in a first person view has to play the same. If you showed these people the original Phantasy Star they would probably ask "where's the multiplayer?"

Of course it might not really mean anything. I know people who want multiplayer Zelda for no specific reason at all. "Multiplayer's always better."

Metroid Prime was a 10 to start with. To me the only way to improve a 10 is to give it more of everything that made it a 10. In MP's case: longer, harder, more weapons/gadgets to use etc. Multiplayer- No. Connectivity- Give everything with or without. Without it just a bit more of a challenge to unlock it(having to beat MP on hard to play the original Metroid for example). 2D- There is the gameboy Advance/Player for that. Longer more challenging adventure- Bingo. I want the Screw attack back!

I'm sure if Retro and Nintendo decide to add a multiplayer mode to the sequel, they will find a way to make it work perfectly. How can anyone doubt the talents of Retro after the amazing Metroid Prime? I have full confidence that Retro will develop an even better game in the sequel.

Also for all those oppose to multiplayer, if the sequel does include this option, just don't play it if it offends you so much. Don't try to deny those who would appreciate multiplayer, the chance to enjoy it. And by looking at that poll on Nintendo.com, it seems the majority of Metroid fans do want to experience multiplayer Metroid.

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The fact that multiplayer is winning shows how many philistines, who have no clue what Metroid is, bought Metroid Prime...I know people who want multiplayer Zelda for no specific reason at all.

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Zelda was also 2D. It's easier to make a multiplayer 2D than 3D. 3D has lots more physics that must be applied. True though, we don't have to play the multiplayer option. But I wouldn't want Retro doing a half hearted attempt(DK64), but rather a in depth one(Perfect Dark).

I was tempted to say "2D", there should be more 2D games on these next-gen consoles. But MP was so great in 3D... I chose longer/more challenging.

I personally would be disapointed if all retro and nintendo did was make another game exactly like MP 1 but longer and harder. I'm confident though that the will make significant and creative revisions to make MP 2 just as innovative as MP 1. I agree that multiplayer or taking away the lock on to try and make mp a halo clone(although I wouldn't mind a new franchise creating a grade A fps) would be sacriledge. I do think samus should have faster response to the analog stick. I also think dual analog would be a good idea (hear me out now) Dual analog would allow a greater ability to look around and explore. I personally found it annoying to have to stop everytime I wanted to look around. THis would also allow greater visibility of the platforms. Because of the additional skill in controlling, more skill would be required. I'm not suggesting changing mp into a fps shoot'em up, Lock on should definately be kept, keeping the emphasis on being a first person adventure. As far as switching beams, I propose retro adopt a system similar to EA's bond, where up and down pn the d-pad could cycle through beams and left and right could cycle through visors. Also, please get all the bugs out before releasing the game this time. I swear every time I tried to access the map, the game froze. I hope Nintendo doesn't bow to the ignorance of the masses to make it a multiplayer, but keep it an adventure game like unto the first metroids I loved so much.

Longer and more challenging as well as new upgrades. Screw Attack kewl

Multiplayer.

i put the side scrolling answer (which is currently in 3rd....)
i am a little dissapointed at the results- i hope if any of them win besides sidescrolling it would be the longer more harder quest one
i dont need multiplayer in everygame i must own
personally metroid isnt suited for it and i just dont want it in there

Since three of the four options in the poll sucked, I said make it more longer and challenging. I know that is pretty much standard fare in a sequel, but none of the other options will really add to the Metroid world.

Multiplayer, in the style of fragfests, would actually degrade Prime. Nintendo has stated that the game is a FPA, not an FPS. Unless Retro could think up of some clever way to install multiplayer that uses the core elements of the series (much as how Zelda: The Four Swords did), then it wouldn't be such a bad option. However, I doubt the GCN can handle co-op with Prime's lively environment.

I don't see much for the GBA-GC connection. The furthest Retro could go with that idea is probably Nintendo's way in the Wind Waker. A friend will play as a helpful character (Adam, anyone?) and will help the friend who is actually playing Prime through the journey. Even if that is implemented, that still would not be such a big option. I don't hear many people talking about the Tingle connectivity in Wind Waker.

2D perspective? This is probably the second-best choice in the poll. I would not mind this option, but sales of MP2 will then be poor and, as many people have stated, this is better on the GBA.

In my personal opinion, I would like to have the controls changed as well. Miyamoto's setup was a good idea, but it proved to be uncomfortable at times. I remember fighting Flaahgra and taking unneccesary damage due to the awkward control setup. I was unable to evade Flaahgra's bitch-ass tentacles and that almost screwed me over a couple times. Believe it or not, I think it would be better if the FPS setup was adopted the game. That way, I could walk and look around as well as fight enemies a little easier.

Still though, it is bound to be great. Even if the game is a rehashed version of Prime, it would still remain one of the best titles in the GCN library.

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The poll says side-scrolling adventure, not 2D, funhats. They could very much give the game a 3D feel while keeping it a side-scroller, much like the...er, 2 1/2D of something like Mischief Makers, which is something of which the GBA is most certainly not capable. I think that would be VERY cool

Dang! Mischief Makers was hot! I gotta see if EB has a used copy the next time I go by.

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Seriously, I wouldn't want to lose the first-person aspect - especially they did such an amazing job with that engine. However, I would like to see more side-scrolling areas similar to the morph ball puzzles. I think it would work pretty well too...you'd get to an area that's just too tight and narrow to see in first person and the camera zooms out while you work your way through caves similar to the classic games.

I'd like to see the idea of Melee's Adventure Mode levels (not to mention Contra: Shattered Soldier. Kirby 64, and such) expanded into a 2.5D Samus adventure, but I admit I thought the first-person perspective was very well done in the first, so it'd be a shame to lose that... maybe make a spinoff title in 2.5D in conjunction with Metroid Prime 2... then again, that might be too much Metroid at one time, especially since the license tends not to fare nearly as well in Japan as it does in America.

Ever played Jet Force Gemini? That shooter had some control issues, but if there is one thing that game did right, it was the camera. It is entirely in third person, but there were two camera modes that you could switch between by pressing a button. One is the typical Zelda/Mario camera, while the other is a behind the back view that is exactly like a first person view except you can see your character, who is semi-transparent.

I played Jet Force Gemini long before I even knew what a Gamecube would be or what Metroid Prime would be like, but when playing that game, I said to myself and anyone who would listen, "This is what Metroid 64 should be like." I really said that, and I still think that. Sure, they could make the next game entirely in third or first person and make it good, but I think it could be better if they combine them.

As you can probably tell, I did not vote for Side Scroller. I wouldn't mind a sidescroller, but I would mind a JFG camera even less. I guess, though, that I am dreaming.

As for the GBA connection...Can someone explain to me why anyone would want that?

And for Multiplayer... I can see it working. I have had huge arguments about it on another board, and I heard passionate voices on both sides of the issue, so I guess it would be safer just to leave out Multiplayer for now. Of course, if Retro is confident that they can do it right (NO FRAGGING), then more power to them, but if not, then leave it alone.

And the longer single player mode... Absolutely! Of course, they should not focus only on making a long game. They should make other improvements as well.

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Also for all those oppose to multiplayer, if the sequel does include this option, just don't play it if it offends you so much. Don't try to deny those who would appreciate multiplayer, the chance to enjoy it. And by looking at that poll on Nintendo.com, it seems the majority of Metroid fans do want to experience multiplayer Metroid.

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Looks like we can go for days on this topic. Basically it boils down to this

A) "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Just tweak whatever shortcomings (were there any shortcomings in Prime? Escaped my radar...) or just give people more, plus some nice Nintendo Innovation.

B) "Sometimes a has to be moving on..."
Instead of a sprinkle of innovation, add a really healthy helping of ambition Go crazy with it. Pilot Samus's ship. Make it more RPGish. How about cel shading? Those were highly exaggerated examples, so don't take them seriously(I doubt it'd be Metroid by then). You get the picture.

On a slightly unrelated note, would you mind if Samus got a voice actress? If so, who'd fit the bill? If opposed, why so? I'm neutral, but thinking after Samus's scream, it makes you wonder....

I said harder/longer, but less buggy or more faithful would have won out if they'd had those.
Joakim has it right, we need Kraid back. More then that thoguh I'd like to see the beta, gamma, etc. metroids again.

I had anumber of complaints with the first, but they were mostly cosmetic... The Zelda style "you found a secret" sound seems out of place in the series. The way the music changes in rooms with enemies, even before you see them, ruins some cool (potential) suprises.
It really irks me that they call the gimpy double jump item the spacejump. I mean, I understand that a true spacejump wouldn't work too well in a 3d game, even if it weren't first person, but it's almost like they're rubbing it in. On a similar note, they used the screw attack symbol for the suit upgrades, as if it weren't bad enough that this is the only Metroid game not to have the screw attack they had to go and remind us... twice.
I want real Super missles too. The charge combo is way too slow, and it acts like a big charge shot not a physical object. speaking of physical objects, wouldn't the missle tanks look cool made of glass? and big metal Energy tanks would be nice... I don't see why the items all have to be ephemeral energy stuff.
Finally, as much as I hate to say it, the different weapons got way too gimmicky, with almost every door requiring a specific attack, and those dang armored pirates. I still want my ice-wave-spazer or whatnot back.
As you can see (if you actually bothered to read that) those are all really minor complaints, but still they kept me from calling this a perfect conversion of the series into 3D. My biggest complaint of all against both Prime and Fusion though, would be that they don't even mention the series' creator.

If I could pick only one thing to change in the next game, I would want it to say "In memory of Gunpei Yokoi" when I start it up.
What's the deal anyway, giving the man a lifetime achievement award when he's been dead half a decade? He hasn't done anything since then to earn it, the truth is he deserved that when he created the cross-pad, or when he invented handheld gaming, or light guns or any number of things... he earned it many times over but he never really got any recognition for it.
Ok, sorry for that rant. just a pet peeve I guess...

He won the Lifetime Acheivement award. Hint, Lifetime, hint.

A: More GBA-GCN connectivity - I love free stuff. Did anybody not like it that Retro put the original Metroid into Metroid Prime? Did anybody not like being able to play with the Fusion Suit? Extras are a great thing, with a lot of room for innovation. I like it when extras are cleverly hidden, but not almost impossible to find. The GBA is a vital part of good bonus features, IMO. Anything that has to do with Nintendo, from Pokemon cards to the Super Scope, should be able to join in the fun. Tell me you don't want the secret option of using a Super Scope with Metroid Prime 2 after a company like Nyco quietly makes a "SuperCube" adaptor to use old SNES controllers with the GameBoy Player.


B: Return to side scrolling viewpoint - Heck no! Metroid exists in both worlds right now. A "return" to one is an abandonment of the other. Metroid Prime and Fusion were both great, and deserve to continue.

"The poll says side-scrolling adventure, not 2D, funhats. They could very much give the game a 3D feel while keeping it a side-scroller, much like the...er, 2 1/2D of something like Mischief Makers, which is something of which the GBA is most certainly not capable." - NotRimmer

The poll asked if Metroid Prime should return to side-scrolling. Not if the next Metroid Fusion should take advantage of the GameCube's might. I think there's a difference in there. I hope Nintendo does too, or we'll lose something important.


C: Multiplayer - Dangerous idea. Metroid Prime was (and is) already in danger of being "typecast" as a "first person shooter", and if Nintendo and Metroid can't break that image, I'm afraid that the entire first-person medium will be hopelessly typecast. Doing "the natural FPS thing" and adding a multiplayer mode just seems wrong. They have to find another way to innovate.


D: Longer, more challenging adventure - I'm not fond of using extra "challenge" to increase the gameplay. Some people thrive when it gets tough, but others just turn off the power, and end up with a game that's essentially just a fraction of the size. You can easily turn a solid 20-hour game into a great 50-hour game for some people, and a useless 5-hour game for others. That's not a good thing. It's a tradeoff. I guess the better thing to do is give you a difficulty level, but you have to give people a reason to play the hard mode that doesn't take away from the rewards for playing the easy mode. For people who are willing to play without extra rewards, and just have challenge for the sake of challenge, a hard mode is fine, but they should give you the option of the hard mode right from the start. Don't make people spoil the game for themselves by having to breeze through the easy mode first. Longer is good (I like "epic" stuff), but whenever you ask for it you usually get and extra helping of "challenge" too (I mean, just look at this poll question), so I'm leery of asking for it.


If you can't guess, I voted for more GBA/GCN connectivity.

At the time I am typing this message, multiplayer is still at 1st place with longer, harder in 2nd, side-scrolling 3rd and connectivity in dead last.

I choose longer and harder. Nothing like increasing the amount of skill and problem-solving required to beat a game to make you further believe that you earned your wins. In the same way, I think mulitplayer is capable of that as well. However, one member reminded me of the strain a FPS and multi would put on the game in terms of quality. I have no objection to multiplayer because I relish the idea of someone always out there that can challenge you. I say let's see what a sequel can do for Metroid before jumping on the idea of side-scrolling. About connectivity, I can only wonder what ways the GBA can be used to enhance your gaming experience besides just as an item and enemy locater. There must still be some unforseen potential that hasn't been unlocked yet. I hope Retro and Nintendo will try and tap into it. I would like to have longer and harder challenges, mulitplayer action and increased use of connectivity but to rank them in order of what I want the most, I place longer and harder at the top of my wish list with connectivity in 2nd and multiplayer as a distant third.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

I think multiplayer could be one of the greatest things to happen to a sequel. Now just to clarify, I hate games like Halo and Nightfire and I loved Prime just as it was, but the engine format screams multiplayer. I say keep the lock on, just have it diminsih within/out of a certain distance. Start off with only power beams and have the starting missile capacity/jump boots/grapple beam/energy/suits be tweakable. Pick up new beams and power-ups around the arena, along with visors and different types of cloaking corresponding with different visors. Heat cloaking can only be exposed with the thermal visor and so on. Missile combos can be automatic when you pick up a new beam. Morph ball/morphball bomb can be automatic, and the powerbomb can be picked up. That would be badass in my opinion/

yes, i did and i LOVED it. Jet Force Gemini had some of the best fighting styles ever. The weaponry was beautiful and worked nicely. The simple blaster was just fun by it self. It had that jet pack feature later on for the dog and i think the 2 footed characters also, a great three separate players, 1 player game; even let you control your little assistant bot also. I think the only negative in a pool greatness was that DAMNED COLLECT-A-THON CITIZENS THING! Look buddy, this is war and i'll do what i can, i've got aliens breathing down my back and you want me to give your friend's a piggyback ride? People die, but your species will live.

But seeing as this is supposed to be related to MP 2: Connectivity in WindWaker pissed me off. It's not of "game/play" quality for a second player, yet not interesting enough to keep me on both the GBA and the GC controller....switching for nearly nothing pisses me off. JFG actually had a nice little bit of 2 player with the robotic flying asistant turning on and being controllable just for fun/help, nothing specific or neccesary.

Multiplayer i have decided is the only/best answer. You all fear a fragfest, but I don't. If it is something like that, it is not possible for it to be crappy and boring like TimeSplitters2(don't get me wrong, I loved it untill I played Halo), Samus is a super warior, it would be combat truely advanced. I wouldn't want the lock feature to go anywhere, it fits the game now because having a lock doesn't mean jack to winning. You have double jumps and sidesteps because you have to attack enimies differently with different things in different forms. The ultimate form of this would be Samus vs another real Samus. Obviously there would have to be the ability to play as multiple Samuri(heh), quite possibly Samus/Samus Aran/SA-X/SamusNew? and a balance system of other characters similar to StarCraft, WarCraft and Diablo's 'Seperate but Equal' theorem. I never got around to playing it but I saw a cheat to play as different characters in MP, has the groundwork already been laid? If disc space is an issue, I'd love to see a multiple discs.

As for long/more challenging, they'll do that anyway, seeing as it is a sequel. and the side scrolling tradition was BEAUTIFUL in Fusion. and that fusion suit....sucked! I also believe the transition to dual analog is a MUST. i NEED to be able to look and run. RUN RUN RUN i should never have to stop moving to do anything; this is our super soldier's weak spot. She stops to change visors and only trouble could come. I hate stopping, there's no reason for it other than surveying the landscape. I think that's about all i have to say, i hope i'm not alone.

eight words

NO SCANNING NO SCANNING NO SCANNING NO SCANNING

i think scanning is fun, but i guess shouldn't be a staple of the series

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D: Longer, more challenging adventure - I'm not fond of using extra "challenge" to increase the gameplay. Some people thrive when it gets tough, but others just turn off the power, and end up with a game that's essentially just a fraction of the size. You can easily turn a solid 20-hour game into a great 50-hour game for some people, and a useless 5-hour game for others.

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What about my multiplayer ideas? Any comments?

As a standalone game, I think that Metroid Prime is pretty cool. But, as a metroid game, it is by far the worst in the series. You lose so much when you take a game with all kinds of fast-paced vertical and horizontal platforming and turn it into a fps. IMO, the coolest part of the metroid games (3 in particular) is the wild acrobatic moves you can pull off as Samus. Wall jumps, speed boots, screw attack, that charged, multi-directional flying move. Is it really worth losing all of these just to use the first-person perspective?

The so-called Space jump...please. It's pathetic. In all of the other metroid games, you can jump higher without any powerups...in water no less . Double jumping is really cool - if you are playing Ghouls ang Ghosts, not metroid. I also like how you can run either slow or slightly- less-slow with analog stick at full tilt. Thank goodness for the "progress" that these new whiz-bang systems provide.

The morph-ball is extremely gimmicky in Prime. Every time you need to use it, there is an obvious pipe of something similar to roll into. No searching for a small weak point in a wall to find a required passageway as before. No alternate paths to take in the tunnels, just straight through to the destination (ignoring the tacked on special morph ball rooms. Just why would the space pirated construct these anyway? D'oh! :^) )

The areas to explore are mostly horizontal, with the token vertical room (90 % of the time an elevator) included. The grapple beam is a shell of its former glorious self. Remember how you could adjust the degree of swinging, and even flip 360 to increase speed or reach higher areas (maridia rocked)? Now, it is just there to provide the semblance of a metroid game. You can't even use it unless you are near the (un-necessary) grapple points.

Also, the hidden areas are non-existant, and the secret items are not difficult to find (Some huge crumbling, door sized patch on a wall, for insttance.) In 3, when you got the map data, most of the areas you could explore were not displayed. You had to explore every nook and cranny to find the entrances to these areas, and they were not silly unimportant passages (i.e. Kraid's corridor in 3.) In Prime, everything is there, all laid out for you.

The sound track is mostly ok, but what's up with the crap, intrusive techo. So much for the cool, subtle/atmospheric/moody music from 3. Hey N, how about doing an EA and use crappy flavor-of-the-month-band junk in your games, the kids will love that. Samus can listen to Back Street Sync Town Dudes on her helmet radio. In addition to half pipes, there can be places where you can grind on railings, and you can get bonus points for performing tricks.

Also, no more stupid scanning and silly little puzzles (again, conveinent for the pirates to place all of the morph-ball slots every where.) Metroid is not a puzzle game series. It is about platforming, exploration, and skill. This is not zelda, do not homoginize all of your games into the same silly formula.

In short, Prime is a FPS with some quasi-metroid elements tacked on. If you're going to make it 3d, use a camera scheme like ED, where it is unique for each area. Then, you can retain most if not all of the elements that made the previous games so cool. If retro can't pull it off, let Intelligent systems handle it. They know a thing or two about making a great metroid game.

I love metriod prime the game is so cool I al ready in the last boss it so hot hot I found all the item but can't remember how to get them agian o well

Hopefully the next game will have some more interesting weapons. Like fly-by-wire missiles, cluster bombs, and perhaps some sort of acid spraying hose attachment.