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Nikkei Reveals a New Wii Fit and Mario Title

by Lukasz Balicki - May 30, 2009, 6:01 pm EDT
Total comments: 91 Source: Nikkei

Both titles are due later this year in Japan.

A recent news article from the Nikkei Shimbun confirmed the existence of Wii Fit Plus and revealed that a new Mario title is in the works.

Wii Fit Plus, which will be released in the fall, will have more precise weighing options and the ability to compare stats and progress with friends online.

According to the article, the new Mario title will be released later this year. Unfortunately, no platform or further information was specified.

Translation thanks to James Charlton

Talkback

kraken613May 30, 2009

We better not have 30 minutes of Wii Fit Plus at E3....

And come on! Give me a Zelda game!

PaleMike Gamin, Contributing EditorMay 30, 2009

I'm kind of sad it's another Mario game.. Galaxy was so wonderful I don't necessarily need more... I wanted something different...

I know, gift horse.... mouth....

I am excited about Wii Fit though, as long as it actually has a routine mode similar to EA Sports Active.

NWR_pap64Pedro Hernandez, Contributing WriterMay 30, 2009

Pale: I am betting it will be a sequel to New Super Mario Bros. Its been three years since the game launched on DS, and its too soon to get a Galaxy sequel.

Anyways, new Mario game is too vague since Mario has a lot of games, including sports games, RPGs and spin off platformers.

ThomasOMay 30, 2009

Hopefully the Mario title the article does not refer to is the new Mario & Sonic game.  :-\

Otherwise... I'm all up for both a new Galaxy/NSMB and a sequel to Wii Fit!

NWR_pap64Pedro Hernandez, Contributing WriterMay 30, 2009

Quote from: ThomasO

Hopefully the Mario title the article does not refer to is the new Mario & Sonic game.  :-\

Otherwise... I'm all up for both a new Galaxy/NSMB and a sequel to Wii Fit!

That's why I think "new Mario game" is too vague since Mario is in everything nowadays.

But if this was big enough to make it to the news it has to be a new adventure game for either Wii or DS.

BlackNMild2k1May 30, 2009

Its not gonna be another Mario Platformer on Wii and its definitely not a sequel to NSMB.
NSMB is still charting in all the major regions therefore ruling that one out.
& while its more likely that its for Wii, its also more likely that it is a Mario Party title w/ M+ support.

Just my unprofessional opinion though

ShyGuyMay 30, 2009

I wish we could get a NSMB2 based on Super Mario Bros 2 (USA) I want to see the triumphant return of King Wart and Birdo to go back to being a bad guy. Gal. Person. Thing.

NWR_pap64Pedro Hernandez, Contributing WriterMay 30, 2009

Quote from: BlackNMild2k1

Its not gonna be another Mario Platformer on Wii and its definitely not a sequel to NSMB.
NSMB is still charting in all the major regions therefore ruling that one out.
& while its more likely that its for Wii, its also more likely that it is a Mario Party title w/ M+ support.

Just my unprofessional opinion though

True, NSMB is still charting. But Pokemon Diamond and Pearl were still charting and Pokemon Platinum was still a huge hit.

If anything NSMB 2 would be a far bigger success since it has the brand name.

TJ SpykeMay 30, 2009

Pokemon Platinum wasn't a new game though, it was just Diamond and Pearl with some minor changes (like Emerald, Crystal and Yellow were).

NWR_pap64Pedro Hernandez, Contributing WriterMay 30, 2009

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Pokemon Platinum wasn't a new game though, it was just Diamond and Pearl with some minor changes (like Emerald, Crystal and Yellow were).

Exactly my point.

If the upgrade to an existing, best selling game can still be released and be successful why not a sequel to a still charting game?

As another example, Wii Fit is still the best selling Wii title on the market. And Nintendo is making a follow up to it.

BlackNMild2k1May 30, 2009

Pokemon Platinum is an extension of D&P so thats different. Thats still basically the same game isn't it.

I think Nintendo has NSMB2 already made and is just waiting for the darn game(NSMB) to stop selling (3years & running) before they even think about releasing it. A sequel would almost certainly cannabalize sales of the original, but it would also send the sequel to the top of  the charts for the next 3 years, so its really a tough call to make. They are probably adapting NSMB2 for a DSi release anyway.

CalibanMay 30, 2009

I'm hoping for this new Mario game to be for the DS, and hopefully it's a platformer because we have yet to see any release date for the Mario & Luigi RPG.

BlackNMild2k1May 30, 2009

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Pokemon Platinum wasn't a new game though, it was just Diamond and Pearl with some minor changes (like Emerald, Crystal and Yellow were).

Exactly my point.

If the upgrade to an existing, best selling game can still be released and be successful why not a sequel to a still charting game?

As another example, Wii Fit is still the best selling Wii title on the market. And Nintendo is making a follow up to it.

To my understanding WiiFit+ is an extension to WiFit, and you would have needed to buy WiiFit to play WiiFit+ anyway, so really that is a horrible example.

The NSMB issue is a matter of do I buy Super Mario Bros. 3 since everyone has been ranting and raving about it or buy Super Mario World the new adventure. Does Nintendo basically nueter the NSMB wave and hop onto the NSMB2 wave, or ride out NSMB to the bankshore first.

I mean we all know that NSMB is like the #1 selling non bundled game of forever right now, but why would you cut short the ridiculously high record the game is obviously gonna set in favor of selling a sequel when the original is still selling?

Flames_of_chaosLukasz Balicki, Staff AlumnusMay 30, 2009

I bet Nintendo will release Wii Fit Plus in 2 SKUs, standalone and with balance board.

BlackNMild2k1May 30, 2009

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I bet Nintendo will release Wii Fit Plus in 2 SKUs, standalone and with balance board.

If that were to happen I would bet WiiFit+ also has a multi player mode requiring 2 balance boards, so you would still need WiiFit to enjoy it.

"i match your call and raise you 3 white chips" /tonysinclairwithmartiniglass.jpg

Ok what if they're the same game:

4 balance boards put together = Mario DDR Megaton+

BlackNMild2k1May 30, 2009

& also works with my original theory. Mario Mega Party Wii. 4 balance boards and 4 wiimote w/ M+.

NWR_pap64Pedro Hernandez, Contributing WriterMay 30, 2009

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Pokemon Platinum wasn't a new game though, it was just Diamond and Pearl with some minor changes (like Emerald, Crystal and Yellow were).

Exactly my point.

If the upgrade to an existing, best selling game can still be released and be successful why not a sequel to a still charting game?

As another example, Wii Fit is still the best selling Wii title on the market. And Nintendo is making a follow up to it.

To my understanding WiiFit+ is an extension to WiFit, and you would have needed to buy WiiFit to play WiiFit+ anyway, so really that is a horrible example.

The NSMB issue is a matter of do I buy Super Mario Bros. 3 since everyone has been ranting and raving about it or buy Super Mario World the new adventure. Does Nintendo basically nueter the NSMB wave and hop onto the NSMB2 wave, or ride out NSMB to the bankshore first.

I mean we all know that NSMB is like the #1 selling non bundled game of forever right now, but why would you cut short the ridiculously high record the game is obviously gonna set in favor of selling a sequel when the original is still selling?

Many games are released just as the first game in the series are still in the market selling. Sequels give developers the opportunity of expanding what made the first game so popular and cash in on the expanded audience.

Nintendo could hype up NSMB 2 as an even better endeavor than the first one, hype it up like crazy and see the cash roll in. Hell, they can even bundle both games for twice the profit and convince people that they need to buy them together.

Besides, its been three years. The game has received all the profit it could gather. Nintendo is not losing any money any day now so why not a NSMB 2 sequel?

TJ SpykeMay 30, 2009

All the profit it can get? The game is still $35 and continuing to be in the DS top 10 every month, so plenty of profits left on the game. I don't think they are in any rush to make a sequel.

BlackNMild2k1May 30, 2009

No, I agree with you, there should be a NSMB2. But the game is PURE PROFIT with no advertising and consistently appears in the TOP 10/20 WW.
I just don't see Nintendo messing with that right now as the game is still selling alot more 3 years later than new games being advertised right now.
It is an Evergreen title and if they don't let sales ride out as far as they can, the game could get forgetten place of a sequel.

*Everyone stop buying NSMB so that Nintendo will release the damn sequel already!!!* - is what I meant to put in my last reply to your post

Flames_of_chaosLukasz Balicki, Staff AlumnusMay 30, 2009

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I bet Nintendo will release Wii Fit Plus in 2 SKUs, standalone and with balance board.

If that were to happen I would bet WiiFit+ also has a multi player mode requiring 2 balance boards, so you would still need WiiFit to enjoy it.

"i match your call and raise you 3 white chips" /tonysinclairwithmartiniglass.jpg

Impossible, a Wii can only have 1 balance board registered per system. I think that the balance board also takes up 2 controller slots (4 is visible and 3 is invisible).

UncleBobRichard Cook, Guest ContributorMay 30, 2009

So, basically, every time I tell someone that NSMB is the best game on the DS and that they should buy it, I'm killing a kitten?

NWR_pap64Pedro Hernandez, Contributing WriterMay 30, 2009

Am I the only one who believes that both games could exist in the market without one game cutting the profits of the other game in half?

But let's be honest here for a second...

We are basically debating over nothing since the news doesn't even say what type of Mario game it is. Since Mario is on everything nowadays Mario game could mean Mario Party, Mario Kart, Mario Teaches Typing or whatever.

Not to mention that Nintendo is the kind of company that works against current flow. Just as we expect them to milk a cow dry they ignore it. Just as we expect them to be humble they milk something till it gives out blood. New Super Mario Bros. could be a similar case, but we won't know for sure until Nintendo comes out on stage and says what the hell it is.

In the meantime, we are just arguing semantics and getting nowhere.

Mop it upMay 30, 2009

I wonder what that Mario game could be... I'd have to see the actual wording of the article to help speculate. Most Mario titles which aren't platformers are developed by companies besides Nintendo, so if it's Nintendo who is working on it then it is probably a platformer. I'd think it would be too soon for it to be on Wii so I'm guessing it is for the DS. New Super Mario Brothers 2 is the obvious answer but it could still be something different, possibly incorporating features of the DSi.

Here's hoping it is shown at the E3.

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Am I the only one who believes that both games could exist in the market without one game cutting the profits of the other game in half?

I think the same. This isn't something like Madden Football, both games would be unique and worth owning.

StogiMay 30, 2009

Am I the only one hoping that this is a Galaxy sequel?

That game was perfect in my eyes. Why wouldn't you want a sequel?

BlackNMild2k1May 30, 2009

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I bet Nintendo will release Wii Fit Plus in 2 SKUs, standalone and with balance board.

If that were to happen I would bet WiiFit+ also has a multi player mode requiring 2 balance boards, so you would still need WiiFit to enjoy it.

"i match your call and raise you 3 white chips" /tonysinclairwithmartiniglass.jpg

Impossible, a Wii can only have 1 balance board registered per system. I think that the balance board also takes up 2 controller slots (4 is visible and 3 is invisible).

Who says you can only have one Balance board on a system? & Bluetooth can register 7 items at a time, so that would still leave room for 2 BB's and 2 Wiimotes (w/ M+).
But I have never seen anything that said they can only have one BB per system. AFAIK the only reason to believe that would be that there has just never been a game that has supported 2 BB's.

BlackNMild2k1May 30, 2009

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Am I the only one hoping that this is a Galaxy sequel?

That game was perfect in my eyes. Why wouldn't you want a sequel?

Besides that game fell off the charts many months ago, so a sequel would be a good thing.
But I still think its gonna be something like MP9 and not an actual platformer. I also think it will be for Wii (which could use a BIG game) and not for the DS.

Mop it upMay 30, 2009

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Am I the only one hoping that this is a Galaxy sequel?

That game was perfect in my eyes. Why wouldn't you want a sequel?

I would like that too but it isn't what I am expecting because of how soon it is. I'm also hoping it is something for Wii but I have a feeling it is for the DS.

StogiMay 31, 2009

Too soon?

It's been 3 years. Not only that, but Galaxy's engine is begging to be used again.

ThomasOMay 31, 2009

Maybe a new Paper Mario will be announced. It's around that time...

PM - 2001
PMTTYD - 2004
SPM - 2007
??? - 2010

Mop it upMay 31, 2009

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Too soon?

It's been 3 years. Not only that, but Galaxy's engine is begging to be used again.

It's been two years. Plus only the NES has had more than one Mario platformer (Yoshi's Island on SNES doesn't count) so unfortunately the odds are pretty slim.

StogiMay 31, 2009

Maybe your right.

BlackNMild2k1May 31, 2009

How would people feel about a Super Paper Mario 2?

Assuming a reasonable price, how likely are you to purchase a sequel to Super Paper Mario or ask for it as a gift? Please use a scale from '1' to '7,' where '1' means you would 'Definitely not purchase a sequel' and '7' means you would 'Definitely purchase a sequel,' and '4' would be neutral or undecided.

NWR_pap64Pedro Hernandez, Contributing WriterMay 31, 2009

Quote from: BlackNMild2k1

How would people feel about a Super Paper Mario 2?

Assuming a reasonable price, how likely are you to purchase a sequel to Super Paper Mario or ask for it as a gift? Please use a scale from '1' to '7,' where '1' means you would 'Definitely not purchase a sequel' and '7' means you would 'Definitely purchase a sequel,' and '4' would be neutral or undecided.

Some people are also trying to pass off rumors to get peoples hopes up.
like, a Mario game where he keeps getting lost in other Nintendo games (like Captian Ranbow? or Captian Rainbow with Mario edited in?)
or a Re-envisioning of SMB3, since you know remakes/reboots are all the rage these days in games & movies.

Regardless of what it is, I'm betting its for the Wii to help boost sluggish Wii sales in Japan.

BlackNMild2k1May 31, 2009

Some more literal translations (no i didn't follow the link in the OP so I don't know what the mainsite article says)

Nintendo planning a new Wii Fit this Fall.

Nintendo is aiming to announce a new Wii Fit this fall. Making use of network functionalities, you'll be able to compete with distant friends or family members in weighting or health "competitions". The measurement of the weight or the center of gravity will be improved compared to the current version. The second half of the year will also see the release of a new entry in the popular "Mario" game series. Their aim is to support the decelerating sales of the Wii video game console.

Wii Fit is a game that uses the "balance board" to measure your weight or center of gravity, allows you to train your muscles, practice yoga, maintain your balance, exercise your oxygenation, and forge you body. Supported by non-gamers throughout the world, it has sold more than 18 million copies to date.

StratosMay 31, 2009

NSMB is selling better than Galaxy, yes? Then I predict a Galaxy sequel.

I heard the Wii can technically/theoretically have 3 balance boards connected. I know there are 7 channels (or virtual controller ports you might call them) in a Wii for Bluetooth controllers. So the max would be 4 Wiimotes and 3 Balanceboards.

If Nintendo internalized development of Mario Party then that could be the mystery Mario game. I could see them internalizing it to be a showcase for M+ this Fall.

LOL, it could be New Play Control! Super Mario Sunshine! I know some people were wanting a remake/sequel of that with Wii functionality.

StratosMay 31, 2009

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Nintendo planning a new Wii Fit this Fall.

They aim to support the slowing sales of the Wii video games console.
...
Due to lack of hit Wii games in the first half of the year, domestic sales of the console have been somehow worsening. Because of the strong feeling that North American sales did reach a peak last year, it has been evocated that there was a demand for new software releases.

IssunZXMay 31, 2009

OK... this is where I show my ignorance, so someone correct in the (very likely) chance that I'm wrong...

How is releasing a sequel to a game that's already selling well a bad thing? I mean, sure the current game is still profitable, but for fans of the current title who want something new, wouldn't giving them a sequel only help sales more? I don't really understand how releasing "Newer Super Mario Bros." would have any negative impact on the first game.

With that said, this is pretty exciting news; I mean, a new Mario game? A NEW MARIO game? Nintendo must be feeling rather wild and crazy if they're going to release more than one mainstream Mario game within the same console generation. I'm probably jumping the gun, but I'm calling a new mainstream game; it may either be a new DS title or a new Wii title. They can't be referring to "Mario and Sonic at the Winter Olympics" or "Mario & Luigi 3" since those have been announced since the beginning of the year.

StratosMay 31, 2009

Issun, the reason it would be bad is because the new one would kill off sales of the old one. What do you think would happen to Wii sales if they announced a Wii 2 for this Christmas? People would stop buying Wiis and wait for Wii 2 to come out. It would kill off sales of the first.

If they waited to release it then they could get a few million extra sales out of the old game they wouldn't otherwise.

BlackNMild2k1May 31, 2009

Issun, its just a matter of maximizing profits.The fans will buy the NEW game no matter when it releases so why kill the sales of the old one prematurely?

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I wish we could get a NSMB2 based on Super Mario Bros 2 (USA) I want to see the triumphant return of King Wart and Birdo to go back to being a bad guy. Gal. Person. Thing.

Great idea! There are a lot of great ideas from DDP/SMB2USA that have never really been revisited, especially in 3D.

BlackNMild2k1May 31, 2009

There is also the idea out there that there could be a NSMBWii since NSMB was such a huge success for DS.

So Nintendo can't make another great game because soccer moms haven't stopped buying the ones they made 3 years ago? grr

Mop it upMay 31, 2009

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How would people feel about a Super Paper Mario 2?

I found Super Paper Mario to be pretty "meh" so I wouldn't want to see a sequel. If there is another Paper Mario game then I'd hope it is an RPG like the first two, although I kind of hope they move away from the paper style because it seems like an excuse to have poor graphics. That was excusable on the Nintendo 64 because that system was pretty limited, but now it's getting ridiculous.

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Issun, the reason it would be bad is because the new one would kill off sales of the old one.

I don't buy that. Your analogy doesn't work because you used a system as an example rather than a game. It isn't like Super Mario Galaxy is the end-all, be-all of Mario games or else people wouldn't be downloading all of the ones on the Virtual Console. Mario platformers aren't like Madden Football and Guitar Hero where every game is essentially the same, each one is unique. If a New Super Mario Brothers 2 were released, all those who have the original would likely be interested in it, and all those who bought the sequel would probably get the first one too if they liked it.

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I wish we could get a NSMB2 based on Super Mario Bros 2 (USA) I want to see the triumphant return of King Wart and Birdo to go back to being a bad guy. Gal. Person. Thing.

I like the idea of a new Super Mario Brothers 2/USA, but not one that involves Birdo as an enemy. SMB2 was the only game where Birdo was really an enemy and he was probably more just misguided... and the whole game was passed off as a dream anyway so it makes it really difficult to explain canonically. Adorable creatures aren't evil.

BlackNMild2k1May 31, 2009

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How would people feel about a Super Paper Mario 2?

I found Super Paper Mario to be pretty "meh" so I wouldn't want to see a sequel. If there is another Paper Mario game then I'd hope it is an RPG like the first two, although I kind of hope they move away from the paper style because it seems like an excuse to have poor graphics. That was excusable on the Nintendo 64 because that system was pretty limited, but now it's getting ridiculous.

How about a SMRPG2, PaperMario3, or NSMB2Wii?

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Issun, the reason it would be bad is because the new one would kill off sales of the old one.

I don't buy that. Your analogy doesn't work because you used a system as an example rather than a game. It isn't like Super Mario Galaxy is the end-all, be-all of Mario games or else people wouldn't be downloading all of the ones on the Virtual Console.

Actually the analogy worked really well. Releasing a sequel too soon will make the original look and therefore cap off potential sales.
You say you're gonna release WiiHD this fall, you might as well pull all the existing Wiis off the shelves right now, because only the uninformed would buy it.

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Adorable creatures aren't evil.

http://i44.tinypic.com/1zvsu8p.jpg

StratosMay 31, 2009

It bothers me that Mario had a dream involving Birdo.

I suppose you do have a point that Mario is different from Madden or Guitar Hero. I cannot refute the fact that people are constantly D/Ling old Marios on the VC.

I wouldn't mind seeing a new 2D Mario on Wii. I do hope they make one with old school graphical styles though. Playing WarioLand really made me want a Mario platformer without all that fancy 3D jazz.

Mop it upMay 31, 2009

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How about
1. SMRPG2
2. PaperMario3
3. NSMB2Wii?

1. Awesome
2. Meh
3. Too awesome to ever exist

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Actually the analogy worked really well. Releasing a sequel too soon will make the original look and therefore cap off potential sales.
You say you're gonna release WiiHD this fall, you might as well pull all the existing Wiis off the shelves right now, because only the uninformed would buy it.

I disagree, that's like comparing apples to oranges, or maybe something less cliché. New systems are designed to replace old ones but new games usually aren't. Again I ask, does Super Mario Galaxy make Super Mario 64 or any other Mario game less special? Those older games' existence on the Virtual Console would say no.

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Adorable creatures aren't evil.

http://i44.tinypic.com/1zvsu8p.jpg

C'mon, that thing is ugly.

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It bothers me that Mario had a dream involving Birdo.

I don't like where you are going with that thought...

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I wouldn't mind seeing a new 2D Mario on Wii. I do hope they make one with old school graphical styles though. Playing WarioLand really made me want a Mario platformer without all that fancy 3D jazz.

It would be pretty great but the chances seem slim. Playing Super Paper Mario really makes me want a 2D Wii Mario game that's actually good.

BlackNMild2k1May 31, 2009

Well if they really want to boost Wii sales to DS levels in Japan, the best way to do that is NSMB2 Wii. Now it won't affect NSMB on DS and give everyone the new sequel thsat they've been waiting for. that will also give time for DSi to get a bigger hold on the market before releasing NSMB3 DSi.

I think its the perfect plan.
which is why its unlikely to happen :(

GoldenPhoenixMay 31, 2009

I still think it is going to be another Mario game for Wii built from the SMG engine. THe Wii needs a big game for the holiday and that is likely it, Zelda still needs at least another year because they are building a new engine for it, and I'm not sure any other core game would fit when it comes to stirring up a ton of sales. Two years is more then enough time to create another Mario game if they utilize the SMG engine.

BlackNMild2k1May 31, 2009

But remember that whatever the game is, its meant to spur sales in Japan, and nothing would do that better than NSMB2 for Wii.
Just saying.

StratosMay 31, 2009

I think I agree with you BnM. We'll see at E3.

PlugabugzMay 31, 2009

How can be they "still building a new engine for it" GP? Wouldn't it have made sense to make the engine in parallel with Toiletries Princess?

Borrow Retro's one and get on with it.

GoldenPhoenixMay 31, 2009

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How can be they "still building a new engine for it" GP? Wouldn't it have made sense to make the engine in parallel with Toiletries Princess?

Borrow Retro's one and get on with it.

Maybe, but most indications are they didn't yet start on the next Zelda until after Twilight Princess was released.

GoldenPhoenixMay 31, 2009

I really doubt they'd make a 2D NSMB2 for Wii, that wouldn't have nearly the selling power as a fully 3D game (it works fine on DS but when you are talking about a console, not sure that is going to fly). Myamoto expressed interest in revisiting Mario Galaxy and I'm going to take that as an indication it is a new 3D Mario. Two years is enough time.

PlugabugzMay 31, 2009

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How can be they "still building a new engine for it" GP? Wouldn't it have made sense to make the engine in parallel with Toiletries Princess?

Borrow Retro's one and get on with it.

Maybe, but most indications are they didn't yet start on the next Zelda until after Twilight Princess was released.

In that case, this engine better be used more than once. (and in WW/TP's case, twice)

TJ SpykeMay 31, 2009

Wind Waker's engine was modified so much for Twilight Princess that it was almost a completely new one.

ThomasOMay 31, 2009

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I really doubt they'd make a 2D NSMB2 for Wii, that wouldn't have nearly the selling power as a fully 3D game (it works fine on DS but when you are talking about a console, not sure that is going to fly).

I think the only way it would work if it was through WiiWare (but 330 blocks or so isn't enough, is it?).

A new Luigi's Mansion that uses M+ would be great.

TJ SpykeMay 31, 2009

330 blocks is about 41.25 Megabytes or 330 Megabits. Most DS games only go up to 256 Megabits (although ASH: Archaic Sealed Heat used a 2 Gigabit card). The first NSMB uses a 64 Megabit card. A sequel could fit on WiiWare if they wanted to put one on there.

BlackNMild2k1May 31, 2009

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330 blocks is about 41.25 Megabytes or 330 Megabits. Most DS games only go up to 256 Megabits (although ASH: Archaic Sealed Heat used a 2 Gigabit card). The first NSMB uses a 64 Megabit card. A sequel could fit on WiiWare if they wanted to put one on there.

But what about the HD textu... ahaha just kidding.
I also though about a Downloadable NSMW with additional worlds up for download like the 1st episodic Nintendo game WiiWare Exclusive.... or not.

The size limit isn't what's keeping Nintendo from making NSMB2 (or any other ambitious game) for WiiWare, it's the fact that they couldn't charge even half what they could on the DS or a retail Wii disc that's stopping them.

Ian SaneMay 31, 2009

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Am I the only one hoping that this is a Galaxy sequel?

That game was perfect in my eyes. Why wouldn't you want a sequel?

If the game was perfect would be the point of sequel? ;)

Mario can mean anything.  Mario games range from GOTY candidates to half-assed junk.  Of COURSE Nintendo is going to release a Mario game this year, they release Mario games EVERY year.  I'm guessing it's some Mario sports game or Mario Party or something like that.  And if it turns out to be more than that, well that's great!  But Mario platformers are rarities.

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Due to lack of hit Wii games in the first half of the year, domestic sales of the console have been somehow worsening.

"Somehow worsening"?  "SOMEHOW"?  Such brilliant analysis there, professor.

I'm glad to hear that actually.  The Wii has had a really horrible drought and that should affect sales.  This is just the world making sense.

BlackNMild2k1May 31, 2009

episodic content means they can charge even more for it.

$15 for the initial release includes the 1st 3 big islands and 2 ghost houses & 3 castles.
$10 for the next 4-5 releases totaling out at 10-12 islands, a star road, 6-7 ghost houses, and 10-12 castles, plus the boss level.

$55-65 for total game released in pieces... its a horrible idea & I hope Nintendo would never do that (good thing they don't listen to fans), but it would keep the new Mario game bring played for quite some time while boosting Wii sales and also bringing WiiWare into more casual gamers circle of awareness.

But I'd prefer a disc release.

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I really doubt they'd make a 2D NSMB2 for Wii, that wouldn't have nearly the selling power as a fully 3D game.

I agree that it would be a very tough sale for Nintendo to release a retail 2D Mario (though it might intrigue the small population of people who loved the 2D Marios and never tried 64, Sunshine, and Galaxy). On the other hand, a WiWare 2D Mario could be the flagship title for the service and really make the masses start downloading WiiWare games. Also, I would love a new game that combined the classic 2D style of Mario with freeroaming Mario Galaxy levels.

SteleMay 31, 2009

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LOL, it could be New Play Control! Super Mario Sunshine! I know some people were wanting a remake/sequel of that with Wii functionality.

That's an evil thought.  Evil, I tell you!  Cruel in unimaginable ways.  I'm glad you don't work for Nintendo.  :o

StratosMay 31, 2009

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Quote from: Stratos

LOL, it could be New Play Control! Super Mario Sunshine! I know some people were wanting a remake/sequel of that with Wii functionality.

That's an evil thought.  Evil, I tell you!  Cruel in unimaginable ways.  I'm glad you don't work for Nintendo.  :o

I'm merely repeating what I've heard people ask for on other forums.

I'd love a NPC Sunshine but I really hope that's not what this game is.

StratosMay 31, 2009

I would like to see a new Mario game with Sunshine mechanics incorporated. There is a good potential with the IR and motion controls.

NinGurl69 *hugglesMay 31, 2009

Gimmick mechanics that make Mario death-proof and slow down his acrobatics is not fun.

StratosMay 31, 2009

I don't think the water cannon was a gimmick.

PeachylalaMay 31, 2009

Sunshine was flawed because it was rushed out the door. Nintendo realized this was a massive mistake, which is why Galaxy was flawless. Having a FLUDD device is mostly "meh" to me. It doesn't add to the gameplay, but it doesn't take away alot either. It's just take it or leave it.

Gimmicks like new items are okay, if they don't make Mario death proof, like Pro put it. IE the Mushroom items from Galaxy.

BlackNMild2k1May 31, 2009

Quote from: Stratos

I don't think the water cannon was a gimmick.

yes it was.

look up gimmick and I'm sure you will find a picture of the F.L.U.D.D.

TJ SpykeMay 31, 2009

Being a gimmick is not a bad think. "Gimmick" means "an ingenious or novel device, scheme, or stratagem, esp. one designed to attract attention or increase appeal." So the cover systems was Gears of War's gimmick, pretending to play real instruments are Guitar Hero/Rock Band's gimmick, etc.

D_AverageMay 31, 2009

This will most likely be the "non Mario Mario" game I predicted.  But I hope I"m wrong and we get a sequel to Mario 64.

NWR_pap64Pedro Hernandez, Contributing WriterMay 31, 2009

Quote from: True

Sunshine was flawed because it was rushed out the door. Nintendo realized this was a massive mistake, which is why Galaxy was flawless. Having a FLUDD device is mostly "meh" to me. It doesn't add to the gameplay, but it doesn't take away alot either. It's just take it or leave it.

Gimmicks like new items are okay, if they don't make Mario death proof, like Pro put it. IE the Mushroom items from Galaxy.

I agree. I believe that both Sunshine and and Wind Waker were rushed to market because the Gamecube library was very light and Nintendo mainly catered to the core audience. If both games were polished and they took their time with it they would have been very, very special.

In contrast both Twilight Princess and Mario Galaxy took a while to get released and both saw significant improvements over their predecessors.

GoldenPhoenixMay 31, 2009

I think a gimmick is bashing Sunshine! Take that

NWR_pap64Pedro Hernandez, Contributing WriterMay 31, 2009

Quote from: GoldenPhoenix

I think a gimmick is bashing Sunshine! Take that

I never said the game was bad. It had some very inspired moments and hilarious, if very cheesy, cutscenes.

It just didn't feel like the advancement people expected.

Like I've said before what happened with the NES Marios is happening with the 3D Marios...

Mario 64 was groundbreaking and created a foundation for what's to come, Mario Sunshine was a fun sequel with memorable moments but didn't astound anyone and Galaxy blew both games away with an amazing presentation and refined elements.

Super Mario Bros.=Mario 64
Super Mario Bros. 2=Mario Sunshine
Super Mario Bros. 3=Mario Galaxy

PeachylalaMay 31, 2009

Quote from: pap64]In

Mario Galaxy, yes.

I think I'm the only user here that hates Twilight Sellout with an absolute passion. It's formulmatic, the storyline is overly lame in the second half and the Wolf Link element is so freaking useless. What the hell, are Nintendo's whiny fanboys really this shallow to love that crap? Mario Galaxy, on the other hand, is a masterpeice of imagination. Nintendo wasn't pandering to their whiny fanbase on this game, and it shows.

If they did, it would've been a carbon copy of Mario 64.

NWR_pap64Pedro Hernandez, Contributing WriterMay 31, 2009

Quote from: True

Quote from: pap64]In

Mario Galaxy, yes.

I think I'm the only user here that hates Twilight Sellout with an absolute passion. It's formulmatic, the storyline is overly lame in the second half and the Wolf Link element is so freaking useless. What the hell, are Nintendo's whiny fanboys really this shallow to love that crap? Mario Galaxy, on the other hand, is a masterpeice of imagination. Nintendo wasn't pandering to their whiny fanbase on this game, and it shows.

If they did, it would've been a carbon copy of Mario 64.

You're new around here, aren't you? :p A lot of people here hate Twilight Princess with a passion for the reasons you stated.

I personally loved the game but agree about its flaws. What's ironic is that the game seems to have been made to please the fanbase and now very few like it.

Yet, when Nintendo decides to ignore them they are being arrogant and selfish.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

StogiMay 31, 2009

The thing that hurts TP isn't its story or its formula. It's the fans. If TP was your first and only game experience, you would treasure it like I do.

TJ SpykeMay 31, 2009

I don't get how anyone could hate Twilight Princess when it is one of the best games this gen. Is it perfect? No, but it's a great game and one that has to be played by anyone claiming to be a Zelda fan.

ThomasOMay 31, 2009

Quote from: Kashogi

The thing that hurts TP isn't its story or its formula. It's the fans. If TP was your first and only game experience, you would treasure it like I do.

TP was my first true Zelda experience. I played LoZ on NES for a while back then, but I never got into it. I think the game's amazing, but I hope for a new Zelda where orchestral music is used.

PeachylalaMay 31, 2009

Quote from: pap64]You're

Fairly... =P

Quote:

I personally loved the game but agree about its flaws. What's ironic is that the game seems to have been made to please the fanbase and now very few like it.

Yet, when Nintendo decides to ignore them they are being arrogant and selfish.

Nintendo or the fanbase? ;D


StratosMay 31, 2009

Twilight Princess was a great GameCube game.

NWR_pap64Pedro Hernandez, Contributing WriterMay 31, 2009

Guys, not to sound rude or anything but we better stop the Zelda talk before the thread gets derailed. Twilight Princess is an alienating Zelda title. You either love it or hate it. We know about that. There's no need to beat a dead horse so let's continue speculating what type of Mario game will be unveiled according to this news than to go on with a debate that pales any debate regarding who shot who first in Star Wars or who was the best Captain in Star Trek.

StratosMay 31, 2009

OK, Pap, I'm sorry. We did get pretty sidetracked there. Though I was actually afraid we were going to derail into a Mario Sunshine debate there for a second. Funny how it turned so quickly.

Though there are other debates far greater than those you listed. The question of whether Balrogs have wings and who Tom Bombadil was are far greater in my opinion :)

NinGurl69 *hugglesJune 01, 2009

Sunshine arguments are the new Toilet Princess arguments.  Enough with the Zelda blah and GET BACK ON TOPIC.

The FLOPP water pack was an unnecessarily complicated way to ruin any platforming finesse Mario had.  Not to mention the scope of the levels was shitty.  Where the fuck are my Rainbow Ride clouds?  The bottomless pits?  The amazing platforming situations that require acknowledgement that the game is in 3D?  Using water jets to float from one rooftop to another over a 5min span is not platforming.

UncleBobRichard Cook, Guest ContributorJune 01, 2009

Quote from: pap64

debate that pales any debate regarding who shot who first in Star Wars or who was the best Captain in Star Trek.

That last one isn't even a debate.  Dr. Frasier Crane is obviously the best Captain in Star Trek.

TanookisuitJune 01, 2009

I LOVE Sunshine.  I think it's great.  The water pack, I believe, was to address the "kiddy" issue- instead of turning into different animals, mario uses a cool gadget.  And he had short sleeves.  Anyway, I found all the water pack mechanics to be very satisfying, and SMS ran circles around all other platformers up until Galaxy came out.

GoldenPhoenixJune 01, 2009

I loved the water pack because it opened up so many ways to completing challenges. If you wanted to challenge yourself you could choose not to use it (Unless it could only be completed by using it), but if you wanted to find a creative way of getting somewhere that option was there for you. Nothing wrong with choice, and the level designs were quite creative and had tons of unique things to do. It did seem a bit rushed though in places. But even at that you can complain all you want about precision jumping but I think it was a far harder game then Galaxy.  Heck the FLUDDLESS levels are some of the most frantic and challenging 3D paltforming ever. The game has something for everybody.

SteleJune 02, 2009

So... it's both.  NSMB and Mario Galaxy!  :o

Mop it upJune 02, 2009

Ha, I love it. Usually you say "you're both right" just to settle an argument and move on...

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