When did Microsoft buy Nintendo.

Microsoft to rip off wiimote confirmed.

Nintendo gonna sue somebody?

360 doesn't have Bluetooth. And who's going to use it on the pc? Also no sensor bar and who's going to use a makeshift one?

But they're definitely gearing up for it.

Its just a pr stunt for them to say we can technically do that too. Nothing is actually going to come of it. Lack of xbox owners with wii remotes, NO IR SENSOR, and the fact that this would probably push more xbox owners to the Wii then the other way around. Who is going to shell out 400 dollars for one simple game if they have a Wii? I see a better chance, although still slim, of xbox owners who grabbed wii remotes wanting to do more with them since they obviously have the interest in motion control.

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Originally posted by: trip1eX
And who's going to use it on the pc? Also no sensor bar and who's going to use a makeshift one?

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Can we count the days until Nintendo gives Microsoft a Cease Order?

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I think its all in the way that Nintendo set up the terms of use for the Wiimote. Microsoft isn't making anything with the technology in it and the code to use it with a Microsoft setup was written without looking at Nintendo's own source code so it's fair game. Bluetooth is an open standard. If Nintendo wanted to hardcore prevent something like this they would have opted to go the slightly more expensive route of not using Bluetooth.

As mentioned in the long run this could still help Nintendo. Of course I'm sure they would have something to say if it was incorporated into the 360 but as part of a PC it opens a new peripheral market to them.

This will help out Nintendo, but is it me or Microsoft has been making some strange decisions? I suspect that Nintendo will have a say on this.

Its a win for MS. Because its not cutting into anything on their part. As of now Windows is the only PC OS that I know with some support of the Wiimote. If that means a developer will develop more exclusives things for Windows especially for a corporate environment its a win for MS.

This is really cool, I'd check it out if such a game were available to me...

It could be perceived as a threat to Nintendo but as usual, Wii is more than a controller. It's the whole package and the way the parts of it interact: the name, the size, the look, the internal memory, the price, the interface, Wii Sports. Not to mention that Nintendo and third parties have been targeting its marketing and games for the Wii audience for nearly a year. Microsoft is way behind.

It's too little, too late. MS is dabbling here and there, but all signs suggest that 360 and PS3 are simply incapable of competing with Wii. They need a whole new platform.

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Originally posted by: Ceric
As of now Windows is the only PC OS that I know with some support of the Wiimote.

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I don't know what's worse, Sony stealing of MS doing this. This is outright hardware jacking. But it does sound pretty neat. I have OS X, so I guess I don't really care anymore.

You know it is accually good for the smaller developer who are looking into development for WiiWare. XNA is a realitivly simple development solution where you can create a game using C# and DirectX to make a demo to show to Nintendo. (Which is one of the things I talked with Nintendo about last year, and they wanted a demo of software before making any commitment.) And if it is programmed correctly all you have to do is take out the component (classes) that are set up to use DirectX and replace them with simular classes that use the for form of OpenGL that the Wii utilizes without messing with any of the code of the game itself (besides the declarations for the changed classes). And you have a working Wii game.

In programming there is a practice known as extraction where you break up a program into many classes that each do a different job. So in effect you can make a program that you can easily port by extracting out the rendering, sound, networking and input each into a class which depends on DirectX/OpenGl, so there is little to nothing you need to change in the other classes to change them around.

As for the C# I guess the Wii can run games programmed in this language probally because it is derived for C++, because when I was doing an assignment for one of my classes yesterday I was at the Retro Studio's website looking at their job listing and one of the requirements was knowledge of C#.

As for the leagality of it there really shouldn't be any solid grounds for any suit because Microsoft isn't making any money off of this and they are not claiming that this is a Wii development tool just that you can use the Wiimote because it utilizes blutooth and I read up on how the liberaries came into exsistance and they were backwards engineered by looking at what the Wiimote was returning as information and working from there. As I said this makes me somewhat happy.

Whelp... I guess I better add C# to the list of things I ought to learn.

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Can we count the days until Nintendo gives Microsoft a Cease Order?

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Excellent. Soon, we will be able to control Windows through a WiiMote. Mwa hahaha!

Eh? I've been able to do that practically since launch. I've given a PowerPoint presentation using a Wiimote before.

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Originally posted by: BlkPaladin
You know it is accually good for the smaller developer who are looking into development for WiiWare. XNA is a realitivly simple development solution where you can create a game using C# and DirectX to make a demo to show to Nintendo. (Which is one of the things I talked with Nintendo about last year, and they wanted a demo of software before making any commitment.) And if it is programmed correctly all you have to do is take out the component (classes) that are set up to use DirectX and replace them with simular classes that use the for form of OpenGL that the Wii utilizes without messing with any of the code of the game itself (besides the declarations for the changed classes). And you have a working Wii game.

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Well, I guess it could be a good proof of concept thing.

If you're too small of a company or developer to buy a devkit, it makes a whole lot of sense.

but why is MS helping small Wii developers out? I think MS is definitely going to copy the wiimote, sdooner or later.

Of course following generations are going to grasp for the Wii's sudden success in this one using similar methods. It would be the most idiotic move not to, IMO. Helping devs get a feel for motion control tech isn't a bad idea if Microsoft wants to wean their newer supporters away from the 360 and up to the Xbox 2600.

On a side note, Microsoft is still trying to act like they aren't in competition with Nintendo. Additionally, with Wii-Ware on the rise, what tiny dev is going to want to pay for a kit that will not function with any potential hardware. They need the best bang for their buck, and w/o Wii-mote support, XNA probably wouldn't be the top choice to them.

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Originally posted by: thatguy
If you're too small of a company or developer to buy a devkit, it makes a whole lot of sense.

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Yeah but a mockup may require the Wiimote to work.

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Originally posted by: BlkPaladin
You know it is accually good for the smaller developer who are looking into development for WiiWare. XNA is a realitivly simple development solution where you can create a game using C# and DirectX to make a demo to show to Nintendo. (Which is one of the things I talked with Nintendo about last year, and they wanted a demo of software before making any commitment.) And if it is programmed correctly all you have to do is take out the component (classes) that are set up to use DirectX and replace them with simular classes that use the for form of OpenGL that the Wii utilizes without messing with any of the code of the game itself (besides the declarations for the changed classes). And you have a working Wii game.

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This doesn't make a lot of sense. If you were going to go through all that trouble, why not write it in the native language to begin with? It might make more sense if C# was actually usable on Wii. I mean, yes, you might be able to make a demo easier, but you'd have to start mostly from scratch to port it to Wii.

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