I want the Tingle RPG, for the sole reason it will be trippy as hell.

IGN must be puking their guts out *L*

Hah, those were my first thoughts on the Tingle RPG exactly. And what's the deal with not releasing the Starfi games out locally? I know I've had a go of one of them before (can't remember which one) but it was great fun. A nicely made platformer with great graphics and a hilarious running animation for the starfish.

You forgot to mention that Mario Basket is apparently being deved by Square-Enix themselves...

What? By Square-Enix? Does this mean that SE and Nintendo are good friends again, or is this what Nintendo had to do in order for them to port FF3 and FF:CC to the DS?

Weird.

"Square Enix president Yoichi Wada, in attendance at Nintendo's DS press conference in Japan today, officially unveiled the title. According to Wada, Square Enix approached Nintendo with the idea after realizing that basketball would be the perfect game with which to exploit the DS stylus."
~IGN

"You forgot to mention that Mario Basket is apparently being deved by Square-Enix themselves..."

They get Square Enix working with them and they come up with another Mario spinoff? God I'm getting so sick of this. There's no point in attracting third parties if they're just going to work on Mario spinoffs that Nintendo themselves could work on. The whole point of having third party support is that they provide something DIFFERENT than what Nintendo themselves provide.

Anyway Wario looks awesome. I find the idea of Tingle RPG really weird. What is it with Nintendo and that guy? They seem to love him a whole lot more than anyone else does. I don't like the idea of Zelda spinoffs. Too much Zelda is going to burn the series out. Mario spinoffs started off great too and now my response to any non-platform Mario game is "meh". Mario's boring because Nintendo has overexposed him and I don't want Zelda to turn out the same way. Four Swords Adventures was awesome but so was Super Mario Kart. The spinoffs start off innocently enough but next thing you know you've got Zelda Pinball. This Tingle RPG might be awesome but I don't want Nintendo to start milking Zelda (ewwww). Nintendo's got to cut back on their franchise games. No one cares about Mario anymore and no one is going to care about ANY Nintendo games if they don't watch it.

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Thanks to Mario from our forums for the initial heads up, and TYP for assistance with this article.

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The spinoffs start off innocently enough but next thing you know you've got Zelda Pinball. This Tingle RPG might be awesome but I don't want Nintendo to start milking Zelda (ewwww). Nintendo's got to cut back on their franchise games. No one cares about Mario anymore and no one is going to care about ANY Nintendo games if they don't watch it.

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"Ok, if no one really cared about Mario anymore, why do Mario games still sell?"

Mario still sells within the Nintendo fanbase but it used to be THE game. It was mainstream and everyone loved Mario. Super Mario Sunshine was a good seller by Cube standards but it was weak compared to what Mario used to bring in. Mario used to sell like GTA and Halo do now. It doesn't anymore. Only Nintendo fans who would buy a Nintendo console no matter what buy Mario now. That's a pretty big drop for a former killer app system seller that would attract all sorts of people beyond the Nintendo fanbase to Nintendo consoles. Mario used to be special and a Mario game, even if was a spinoff was a BIG deal. Now they release like 8 Mario games and year so none of them are special.

It's like how Mega Man still sells but it used to be considered one of the industry's elite games and now it's not. There's still a fanbase but it has become so played out that Mega Man games don't mean anything anymore. Mario is getting into that territory.

Neil Diamond still makes albums. So does Paul Simon and Paul McCartney. But does anyone who isn't a diehard fan care about those new albums? No. They might still sell okay but they're not relevent anymore. Mega Man and I'd say Sonic as well are like Neil Diamond and Mario's rapidly becoming that as well.

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They get Square Enix working with them and they come up with another Mario spinoff? God I'm getting so sick of this.

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It's like how Mega Man still sells but it used to be considered one of the industry's elite games and now it's not. There's still a fanbase but it has become so played out that Mega Man games don't mean anything anymore. Mario is getting into that territory.

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Super Mario RPG comes from a time where there wasn't 8 Mario spinoffs a year. Plus Square has already made the Final Fantasy's and Chrono Trigger and a whole bunch of other games that provided variety to the SNES lineup years before Super Mario RPG came out.

Plus Square is known for RPGs so Super Mario RPG was like a dream game. I don't freak out about DDR Mario because it's clearly a Konami game that's different than anything Nintendo would make. Super Mario RPG was different than a typical Nintendo game. This is Mario Basketball. Square has as much cred as a basketball game designer as Nintendo themselves. There's no real special appeal in having Square work on this game. Square's expertise (ie: RPGs) isn't being put to use.

WHAT THE HELL I think square can do whatever it freakin wants.....

We are gettin a fully 3 d final fantasy (in traditional form not like ffcc)
Getting FFCC DS
A new Mana series game
Slime Mori mori rpg

Thats 4 nintendo ds exclusive games thats comin from square enix, if they want to make a damn mario basketball game leave them be.

"We are gettin a fully 3 d final fantasy (in traditional form not like ffcc)"

What game would that be? FF3? I thought that was a port/re-make, in 2d.

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Square has as much cred as a basketball game designer as Nintendo themselves. There's no real special appeal in having Square work on this game. Square's expertise (ie: RPGs) isn't being put to use.

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We are gettin a fully 3 d final fantasy (in traditional form not like ffcc)"

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What game would that be? FF3? I thought that was a port/re-make, in 2d.

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Erm...wow. A complete remake.

No wonder its taking so long.

Ian, you can't possibly win in this case...Square-Enix is working not only on Mario Basket (which they came to Ninty THEMSELVES, k?) but also FFIV and FFVI for GBA, FFIII remake, FF:CC, and Children of Mana for the DS...That's ALL they came up with, eh?

Maybe it's the lack of sleep talking here, but Ian is really pissing me off today. I agree it is odd for Square Enix to be doing a Mario basketball title, but I'm sick of reading Ian's trolling posts. He initiated the complete debasement of that 200+ post talkback thread, and I will not let him do so here. If I see Ian repeat himself in this thread, I swear I will lock this thread up myself.

*speachless*

With all of these games coming out for DS/GBA, my gaming needs are satisfied.

Man... man... man...

Screw you square... FF 1-6 is gonna be playable on the DS...

Now I need to go buy FF 1 and 2 for the 3rd and 2nd time respectively just so I can have them all....

/sigh

Do me a favor... You can do this for me... Don't make me buy a PS3... you are the only ones that really can.... Release all your stuff on the Rev too... I mean come on.....

please?

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Maybe it's the lack of sleep talking here, but Ian is really pissing me off today. I agree it is odd for Square Enix to be doing a Mario basketball title, but I'm sick of reading Ian's trolling posts. He initiated the complete debasement of that 200+ post talkback thread, and I will not let him do so here. If I see Ian repeat himself in this thread, I swear I will lock this thread up myself.

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Really Ian. On this day when a MOUNTAIN of DS games are announced apparently AS exclusives, DS wifi debuted and looking simple as pie, and a wide range of third party support, you single out one game and write more doom and gloom?

This is getting pathetic to the point of being very disturbing.

You used to rant VOLUMES about how Nintendo should get third parties back. You whined about S-E's support being token and half-hearted. Now they are on a Nintendo system FULL FORCE and virtually exclusive along with a TORRENT of support from third parties and you complain about a Mario Basketball game as if it was the only thing shown that day?!

What the hell is wrong with you?!

"Yep it was announced last night, square revealed that ff3 is going fully 3d on the ds"

That's kind of cool though it's kind of odd that of all the Final Fantasy games to pick from to remake in 3D they pick the ONE game that we've never had in North America in it's original form. It's a cool idea but if there was ever a time for a straight port this was it. Oh well. I'm sure Square will make liberal use of the Rev download system so we'll probably get it there.

"If I see Ian repeat himself in this thread, I swear I will lock this thread up myself."

Fair enough though I'm not the only person that repeats himself. In the talkback thread half the time people countered my points with the exact same point someone made before so I had to repeat myself. I'll leave the issue alone here though.

Shut your twat Ian.

Oh sh--When did Deguello get out of that boobytrapped basement I set?

Enough stupidity can bring any man out of exile TYP.

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"Yep it was announced last night, square revealed that ff3 is going fully 3d on the ds"

That's kind of cool though it's kind of odd that of all the Final Fantasy games to pick from to remake in 3D they pick the ONE game that we've never had in North America in it's original form. It's a cool idea but if there was ever a time for a straight port this was it. Oh well.

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Thanks Deg, I've been saying that for ages, but I never backed it up

Deguello - did you actually look at those links? Mario doesn't have very many real (read: playable) cameos prior to GameCube.

Let's dissect the N64 one. Out of the cameo appearances, Mario isn't playable in any of them. In Banjo Tooie his name is mentioned in passing. In DK64, you can play the original DK arcade game staring Jump Man. In F-Zero 64, the character Mr EAD kind of looks like Mario. In Majora's Mask, the Mask Merchant has a Mario mask on his backpack. In Ocarina of Time there are some Mario themed pictures in one of the rooms in the castle. In Pilot Wings 64 there's a Mario bust carved into the side of a cliff. In Pokemon Stadium 2 there are a bunch of game screens on the TV in your room, one of which is Mario 64. And in Sim City 64 there's a Mario statue you can get.

These hardly count as Mario spin-offs.

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Deguello - did you actually look at those links? Mario doesn't have very many real (read: playable) cameos prior to GameCube.

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True... but these DO count as spinoffs:

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BS Super Mario USA (series) (Japan only)
Dr. Mario - BSX | NP (Japan only)
Excitebike: Bun Bun Mario Battle Stadium (series) (Japan only)
Mario & Wario (Japan only)
Mario is Missing!
Mario Paint
Mario's Early Years: Fun with Letters
Mario's Early Years: Fun with Numbers
Mario's Early Years: Preschool Fun
Mario's Super Picross (Japan only)
Mario's Time Machine
Picross NP (series) (Japan only)
Super Mario Kart
Tetris & Dr. Mario
Tetris Attack
Undake 30 Same Game (Japan only)
Wario's Woods
Wrecking Crew '98 (Japan only)
Yoshi's Cookie
Yoshi's Cookie - Kuruppon Oven de Cookie (Japan only)
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Counting cameos is kind of silly. Plus I would debate the merits of including the Mario educational titles which were neither developed or published by Nintendo and have the legitimacy of the CD-i Zelda games.

Last year alone there were 8 games released for Nintendo systems that featured Mario in a starring role. That's an insane amount. And I'm not counting related series like Donkey Kong and Wario.

The educational games used the franchise and you're arguing that the franchise is becoming worn out. Made by Nintendo or not, these games look the same to the customers. Or would you argue that games like Mario Baseketball shouldn't count because they're not made by Nintendo?

Hang on a sec...

Putting in the effort to make Mario a playable cameo instead of just a mentioned cameo is now a bad thing?

oh man too many games I only was able to save 700 dollar because of tvman post but now It be all spent on the ds and not the rev. well I never buy tingle game

"I don't want Nintendo to start milking Zelda (ewwww)."

Ah Ha Ha Ha

Well since good things come in threes, I'll be expecting to see my video game collection still where I left it when I visit my home this weekend, and I'll also be expecting to get laid.

getting off the current topic, i was curious what is Tales DS?

Am i just dreaming or is this the Tales RPG series that im hoping for it to be?

It's funny. The PSP got a simple port of Tales of Eternia. Nintendo, though? Namco's pally-pal? Original stuff.

I <3 Namco.

It's the Tales RPG series that you're hoping for it to be if you have any taste in games.

"It's funny. The PSP got a simple port of Tales of Eternia. Nintendo, though? Namco's pally-pal? Original stuff."

Let's not jump the gun here. We still don't know anything about this game.

Man, speaking of Namco... I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but why with all of these announcments (including at least 1 namco game) have we still not heard anything about hte supposed Katamari DS game?

That was a miss-print in np and the new Famitsu unveiled it for the psp

Katamari PSP would require a change of the control setup, you just can't control a tank with a PSP.

is that true? no Katamari DS? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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Didn't people play Katamari PSP at the TGS and say it was clunky and awful to control?