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Wow! I just sent a message to the hot tip thingy.

All I got to say:
Damn it! I thought this was going to be the best holiday season ever.

Looks like there's a chance of a GameCube game being one of the big launch titles for Revolution. @_@

This sucks....

I wonder Perrin Kaplan, how many of these multi-million copies do you intend to sell after everyone has sold their GC's and bought XBOX 360's....

Now that you say it I do wonder if Nintendo is preping fans for TP becoming a REV launch title.

I also wonder (or rather hope) that this might just be a feint to get Microsoft to lower their defence for the 360 launch. Just to spring Zelda on them at the last second.

Too late to make an impact...AGAIN!

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anubis, you're crazy. TP is not moving to Revolution (but it will play just fine on either GC or Rev), and Nintendo would not and could not fake a game delay just for strategic purposes. This delay is big, big news for Nintendo's financial situation, for one thing. With Zelda now moved to the next fiscal year, Nintendo will have to dramatically reduce earnings forecasts for this fiscal year. That's not something you go through lightly.

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Guess they didn't want to cut two dungeons again.

Definitely disappointing news.

If I didn't have my DS to keep me company I would be a mass of sobbing meat by now.

Holy crap... this is very interesting.

I'm going to guess we won't get any major Revolution news 'til E3 2006, which I would be happy about. Battalian Wars will have a chance to sell now. Delaying it to improve is great news, though I have a strange deep feeling that development of this isn't going so well...

Twilight Princess should come with a free GameCube. I'm still trying to take this news in

EDIT: Maybe it's actually cel-shaded! The new screens could easily be to throw us off! I want to believe!

Either I've already gotten over it or the news hasn't sunken in yet.
In either case, I'm kind of glad we won't be getting a rushed product. A zelda game should never, ever feel rushed.

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I guess they did it in the middle of the night as a way to punish Nintendo fans that stay up all night.

Or maybe it is because they are based in Japan which is in a different time zone.

... But why would Mrs. Kaplan be up this late when she is employed by NOA???

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Moving Twilight Princess to Nintendo Revolution = absolutely moronic. They can't just magically port it there, and if they did, it'd be exactly the same as it would be GC, except 20 million less people can play it. If they put the time and effort into moving it to Revolution it'd be a whole new game, and would be delayed like 2 years

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This holiday season is the time to catch up on bargain-priced games and others i haven't finished!

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Because we all want Twilight Princess, and we don't own a Revolution. Moving Twilight Princess to Nintendo Revolution = absolutely moronic. They can't just magically port it there, and if they did, it'd be exactly the same as it would be GC, except 20 million less people can play it. If they put the time and effort into moving it to Revolution it'd be a whole new game, and would be delayed like 2 years, and there already is a Zelda game in development for Revolution.

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Who's buying a Revolution? What is the Revolution? Revolution doesn't even exist yet, nobody plans to buy one yet. We were promised a second Zelda on GC, and that's what we're going to get. Lots of people have it pre-ordered. GC has only been out 3 years here, I want more GC games, screw Revolution.

Also, I think it'd be interesting to see the reaction of people who just bought a Xbox 360 to see the GC still going strong "hey... Nintendo's console is still going strong, and that game looks great, why coudln't they just release these games I paid $500 to play on my old Xbox?"

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Who's buying a Revolution? What is the Revolution? Revolution doesn't even exist yet, nobody plans to buy one yet. We were promised a second Zelda on GC, and that's what we're going to get. Lots of people have it pre-ordered. GC has only been out 3 years here, I want more GC games, screw Revolution.

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If Nintendo doesn't have a killer launch game for the Revolution, then I wish they would take the time to port TP and make it that killer app. There is currently alot of buzz in the general public over the Xbox 360 and PS3. While the Revolution isn't really being talked about. What better way to get the Revolution to fly off the shelfs than with a game everyone wants to play.

Yeah, like Super Smash Bros.

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

Ouch this is tragic. If it means more time to polish the game then im all for it.

However im not sure about other people but TP is going to be the deciding factor is wether i get the REV or not. If TP isnt amazing or doesnt come out on the GC, i will not buy a REV. I need something to show me that nintendo still has the magic, worth investing in another console.

"Yeah, like Super Smash Bros."
SSB wasn't system-seller material. It was (virtually) multiplayer-only, hard to demonstrate, hard to pick up on play, easy on the eyes but not amazing graphically, and not 'epic'. It was a great game, but it definetly wasn't Mario 64. Or Halo. Or Zelda.

edit: "I need something to show me that nintendo still has the magic."
Oh, they still have it. Just believe.

"then I wish they would take the time to port TP and make it that killer app. "

aren't rev game being made with cube dev kit so it be easy for them to port it.

"Who's buying a Revolution? What is the Revolution? Revolution doesn't even exist yet, nobody plans to buy one yet. We were promised a second Zelda on GC, and that's what we're going to get. Lots of people have it pre-ordered. GC has only been out 3 years here, I want more GC games, screw Revolution."

Well I'm! I'm butting a rev just to play tp!

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SSB wasn't system-seller material. It was (virtually) multiplayer-only, hard to demonstrate, hard to pick up on play, easy on the eyes but not amazing graphically, and not 'epic'. It was a great game, but it definetly wasn't Mario 64. Or Halo. Or Zelda.

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SSBM has outsold most Zelda games, it hasn't outsold OoT yet but it will soon. I don't see how Zelda is a game everyone wants to play when SSB isn't.

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Un-satin, most un-satin indeed. The only thing I can think of is that TP will change the definition of "backwards compatibility". There's no way they need that much more time to put "polish" on the game (7-months). Walk with me for a moment and see if I don't take you somewhere interesting: What if Twilight Princess is a hybrid game that works fine in either system but for those of us that use it on the Revolution will not only get a significant graphical increase but also get on-line options and downloadable content. April 2006 for a GameCube game that been in development since "The end of 2003" is suspect at best in my book. Besides that, if this game surpasses Ocarina of Time as the greatest interactive experience of all time the I'll just have to suck it up. Sign me up on the Zelda as a Revolution Launch/Gamecube death title.


Or maybe we're all looking at this wrong. The delay could just be to put a mature Tingle in the game and God knows that going to take at least 6 extra months.

But the perorders man the perorders, the people perorder zelda on the cube not rev and I'm not going to wait till 07 to get it by 07 the rev zelda will be nearly done. and some mexico gaming mag said that tp was almost done in jan. and they were just polishing so they had a year to polish they alreadly have the time to polish.

This seriously upsets me, but makes me happy at the same time. Do you not realize we will finally get a Zelda game as epic, and wonderous as OoT! That is a huge feat that many thought was impossible at this time when game development times are shortening.

Now, I really wish Nintendo would just delay the game and let everyone know that it is being retooled for the Revolution. (I don't think that is what is going on by the way) I just wish Nintendo would do that. Why? Several reasons:

1)Zelda Revolution would be a huge killer app that would bring new buyers to the Revolution. Specially this particular Zelda that is everything the fans wanted. (Older Link, more Realistic World, Spectacular fighting, Bigger game than OoT.)

2)Nintendo announcing this would allow them to create new hype for the Revolution without, showing the controller or anything else.

3)It could mean Nintendo can make a March 2006 release. Think about it. Artists work overtime to replace models with higher resolution models and the game designers continue to new levels by March it can be ready easy. Then Online Smash Brothers, and Mario Revolution could be the Christmas release. HOWEVER, this news most likely points out that Revolution will not be launching the March or even beginning Summer. This news points out Revolution will be launching holiday season of next year which isn't good at all.

4)I love my Gamecube but I must admit I feel it is dead. I don't think Nintendo needs to make one last big game for the Gamecube. I think they need to be prepping all these new games into Revolution games. Mario Baseball is the only Mario sports game that should be released this year, and Mario Strikers should be prepped for Revolution Launch. Come on Nintendo try to launch the Revolution with both guns firing.

I wouldn't buy a Revolution if I thought it might have a three year lifespan.

First of all.....

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"I really wish Nintendo would just delay the game and let everyone know that it is being retooled for the Revolution.''

NO NO NO! Nintendo said that there are still going to cube game when the rev comes that why there logo is revOlution

Oh my...what horrible news to wake up too.

I might as well go back to bed.
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I hope to gawd they don't make it a Rev game. Just gimme my damn Zelda!

The town! I want to run around the town!

Come on, I'm the biggest Zelda fan here and I'm just fine with the delay...The Zelda Team is doing their best to make this game the best ever, and damned if they need to be stopped by time contraints!

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"I really wish Nintendo would just delay the game and let everyone know that it is being retooled for the Revolution.''

NO NO NO! Nintendo said that there are still going to cube game when the rev comes that why there logo is revOlution

Bill again I love your spirit.

And once again. Your icon choice is good, but still not the Bill I pretend to know...it seems overtly sexual...or perhaps its my male oriented mind making it so.

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I just want to say: Y-E-S!

If I were to complain about one thing on the GameCube it would be the quality of the first party software. Nintendo delayed Ocarina of Time for something like 1.5 years, and while it isn't my favourite of the 3D Zeldas, it does feel more "complete" than the other games, and general opinion seems to be that it is the best. Nintendo hasn't been taking that extra time with most GameCube titles, and I think it shows. The GameCube still has great titles, but I'm really looking forward to playing a fully polished Nintendo game.

I'm going to get the game one way or another, and there will be very few new games in 2006 one way or the other, so I might as well have a truly amazing Legend of Zelda next year rather than a good one this year. I'll buy Fire Emblem and Battalion Wars and hopefully Chibi Robo instead.

Wow. This has made Christmas in the Nile Boogie household just a little bit colder. Why? Why must it hurt so bad? Is it ok for me to get a X360?



April 2006. That date is so suspect of something more than just "extending the life span of the GameCube". I'm willing to bet somehow this has something to do with the Revolution. It mat not be the whole Super Backwards Compatibility thing I mentioned in a previous post but it has a distinct tie in.

First of all I very strongly believe there is no chance of this game being moved to revolution. The fact that the game will actually run on Rev. makes the theory seem even more rediculous in my eyes.

My innitial reaction was surprisingly a good one. Lets see...OoT was delayed like mad and...well...in the end no one cared because it was so polished and remarkable because of it. If you guys want to get excited about the quality of the finished game we will all be treated to check out the 7 new screens they released >HERE< Good things come to those who wait

The thing is there is one part of this announcement that upsets me and that is Nintendo's screwed (console-wise) for this comming holiday. They had Zelda as this enourmous game to compete with anything the 360 would have but now they don't have that. Nintendo's popularity seems to be fading more and more. The very small amount of games coming out at the end of the cube's life cycle is really hurting it and come christmas people will be reminded once more of this reality.

Like other's have suggested, I may be getting a DS or the rest of the cube games I've not played come december.

Well, my point was that saying SSB could never be a huge game because it is primarily multiplayer, and then using Halo as an example of why made no sense to me.

But anyway, anyone who actually thinks Zelda is going to change Nintendo's current stance in the market is wrong anyway. It is not possible to change Nintendo's current stance in the market. The only reason I am bummed at all about this announcment is that i _personally_ have to wait longer to play Zelda. Who cares about getting out in time for the holiday rush.

This is the strength of Nintendo - releasing polished games.

If this was EA it would be out there Nov. 1st.

Nintendo should make it a Revolution launch game, but that's another step toward the dark side.

And would it be too late in development to go back and make use of the Revolution's extra power and it's controller?

Umm... I don't know the exact figures, but Super Smash Bros. Melee is definitely in the same vein as Halo. It's the best selling game on the system, and has continued selling well for the life of the system. Although both games did well when they were released, the true secret to their success was multiplayer; people play the games at a friend's party and eventually decide they have to get it. Really the primary difference is that Halo has already had a sequel. Halo is the main reason people have an Xbox, and when Halo 2 finally rolled online, not only did pretty much everyone who had the first Halo buy it on day one, but so did a good number of their friends.

WHAT THE F*CK? What they hell are they going to release for Christmas now? They better pull something out of their ass real quick. A Fire Emblem comp of the old games, a Metroid Collector's disc like the Zelda one. They need SOMETHING. They might as well have just sold an Xbox 360 to every Cube owner. I'm all for getting a better Zelda game but this is the WORST possible game at the worst possible time to delay. They better show the Rev at the end of August now because they've got nothing else to combat the X360. And this better be the best Zelda game ever to put up with virtually no Cube games for a whole year. Bill seems to be taking this okay which isn't very suprising. Nothing Nintendo does seems to rattle that guy.

I do not want this game to be released on the Rev. I will not buy a Rev for a game that I've been promised as a Cube release. Wind Waker was great and so was Four Swords Adventures but those weren't really the Zelda I wanted. They were games I was willing to try and I enjoyed but they weren't what I really wanted out of Zelda. Deep down this is the game I bought a Cube for in the first place. I've been waiting for this game since Nintendo showed the "bogus" Zelda footage in 2000. I'm not buying another console for that, or at least not at full price.

Plus I don't think moving TP to the Rev would even be that successful. Nintendo has promised a Revolution. What are people going to think when their flagship title is an enhanced Gamecube game? No one is going to buy the Rev as something innovative or industry-changing then. It will just be Gamecube 2 or N64 3 depending on how you look at it. Personally I think Nintendo has built up more hype than they could possibly deliver on anyway. Releasing a Cube game as the flagship title is just going to make things worse. Plus if Nintendo has to delay TP to the Rev then they're kind of screwed anyway. Shouldn't they already have a big flagship title for launch in the works? If they have to delay Cube games to provide a decent Rev launch then they've been digging their own graves for a while now.

Fire Emblem is looking to be the big first party Cube game for the year. They should market the hell out of it. It's a long game so they if they can sell it to most of the Cube userbase it should provide playability for at least a few months. I suggest they also package a Twlight Princess demo with it and some movies of Rev games.

All Nintendo have to say now is that Europe and Australia will never receive this game, and then i'll be partying.

Actually, that's leaning towards a pretty good idea Ian. Nintendo should just put the E3 demo on discs and then bundle them with new Cube games (Fire Emblem, Pokemon XD, Mario DDR). Not only would people get a taste of what's coming, but it'd more than likely boost sales of said titles too.

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nevermind, i found it. *sigh*

Wow, how many sales are gonna be lost because they miss the big Christmas season?

Rampage, Zelda... at least 2006 won't be a huge drought now.

I know how Nintendo can recoup their loss of sales this Holiday Season!

With every GameCube Purchase, get a free XBox 360.

Argh. First they try too hard to make the release date with Wind Waker, then after fan backlash they give themselves too much time with Twilight Princess. Blast, they got the wrong idea... Twilight Princess was really, really needed at this point in time with the incoming X-Box 360, in the same way that Donkey Kong Country help offset the PS1 in the earlygoings.
Still... Gamecube, I suppose, isn't really in the position to counter the X-Box 360 anyway in the US, so maybe it's a moot point. (As far as Japan goes, the X-Box is outsold on a daily basis by the original no-backlighting GBA over there, so I don't believe the 360 could sell with anything less than a new Dragon Quest.) Still, sad that Nintendo's going to miss the holiday season... and possibly infringe on their own sales of whichever Pokemon game(s) they've made available by that point in Japan.

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"Nintendo should just put the E3 demo on discs and then bundle them with new Cube games (Fire Emblem, Pokemon XD, Mario DDR)."

Why not? The more games the better I guess. I picked Fire Emblem because its theme matched Twilight Princess' the best. TP is grabbing the attention of more than just the usual Nintendo fan. It's attracting the type of people who aren't interested Pokemon or Mario. What other Nintendo game would someone who wasn't interested in WW but is interested in TP like? Fire Emblem would be the most likely. But giving people more options to pick how they want to get the TP demo is a good idea.

The only downside I see is that they might spread themselves too thin. Pokemon and Mario don't need a Zelda demo to encourage sales. Fire Emblem however is still very much a cult hit and would stand to benefit more from the extra exposure. It might be in Nintendo's best interest to "force" people into trying out Fire Emblem to get their Zelda fix so as to give the series more exposure. It's like how Zone of the Enders sold a lot more copies because of the MGS2 demo. Had Konami packaged the demo with several games ZOE wouldn't have sold as well. People would have gone to a more familiar game to get the demo. I'm thinking that this could be used both as way to keep Zelda fans busy and as a Trojan horse for Fire Emblem.

Another idea I'm thinking could add to the release schedule is a Revolution download feature preview disc. The Rev should be revealed by then so they could have a preview disc for it that comes in authentic Rev packaging and everything. The download feature is a big part of the Rev's appeal so they could include some old NES, SNES, and N64 games on the disc. Say one game from each console. Essentially it's a few budget ports disguised as a Rev preview. The games could even be accessed through the same interface the Rev will use. It would build Rev hype and it would be really easy to do. Nintendo can't just make another game out of nowhere. A re-release is the only option they have. This way however they can make a cheap cash-in port look like something really special. What games would be on though would be a big factor. Games already re-released on the GBA won't mean squat. I'm thinking Kid Icarus would be a good choice for an NES game since it hasn't been rehashed to hell yet is still a popular NES game.

First I was mad, then I was suprised, then I saw the new screenshots.

But hey, at least this ends the debate on Zelda beating RE4 for GOTY.

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April 2006. That date is so suspect of something more than just "extending the life span of the GameCube". I'm willing to bet somehow this has something to do with the Revolution. It mat not be the whole Super Backwards Compatibility thing I mentioned in a previous post but it has a distinct tie in.

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At the end of every generation, there are people who want the old system's final set of games to be moved up to the new system. It's a bad idea, and history has proven that.

Star Fox Adventures - over two years of extra development time, critical thrashing, mediocre sales
Eternal Darkness - over two years of extra development time, pitiful sales

If you want to know how much work is involved in moving a game up to a new system several times more powerful, look at the ordeal of porting Conker to Xbox with nicer graphics. It took Rare about three years. Granted, Rare is slow as hell, but you can still tell that it was no simple matter. I bring up Conker because many people thought it should have been moved from N64 to GameCube. And in the end, it's going to sell about as many copies on Xbox as it did on N64, which is to say, not that many.

Yeah, so many people are going to spend $300 (at least, not including games) on an Xbox 360 just because Twighlight Princess isn't available this Christmas. Seriously, people, if you weren't seriously considering a 360 before, how on earth did this change your mind?

I think the answer to the question of depth is simple...we've had two 3D Zeldas in a row with less than 8 complete dungeons. Nintendo is adding more to this game, they've even said so. It's not like level designs grow on trees. If Super Mario Sunshine had had an extra 6 months, it could have had a more levels instead of 200+ Blue Coins. I have no doubt Nintendo will be polishing almost everything else you mentioned, too, Jiggy37.

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April 2006. That date is so suspect of something more than just "extending the life span of the GameCube". I'm willing to bet somehow this has something to do with the Revolution. It mat not be the whole Super Backwards Compatibility thing I mentioned in a previous post but it has a distinct tie in.

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But hey, at least this ends the debate on Zelda beating RE4 for GOTY.

Now it'll go up against Halo 3


I'm going to have a not so thankful Thanksgiving break

I don't really mind the delay as long as it is for a greater purpose which is us the gamers or fans of the series. Also it will give me time to finish most of the games that I have yet to finish, and still get older games that I haven't played yet. Plus I have the DS and its games will also entertain me until then. I guess I really wouldn't care if TP was released with Rev as a bundle.

"Seriously, people, if you weren't seriously considering a 360 before, how on earth did this change your mind?"

Before you had a major game to play around Christmas. Now you don't. If someone just owns a Cube this Christmas they're going to be BORED. Meanwhile the Xbox 360 has a whole new lineup of games with no Nintendo broken promises or weak third party support. This Christmas is going to test Nintendo fans' patience to the limit. People are going to question if they should could continue to support Nintendo as their console of choice at the same time that a competitor is offering a brand new alternative.

Nintendo had two huge droughts around the Cube launch. The first was the few months between the last N64 games and the Cube launch and the second was after the Cube launch until the summer. During this time a lot of fans were bored and frustrated with Nintendo so they jumped ship to another console to fill the void and they didn't come back. This is the same situation. Nintendo fans have nothing to play and a competitor is offering something new. Anyone with a lack of patience and available funds is going to jump ship.

One thing that could change things though is the Rev. If it really knocks everyone's socks off when they debut it (later this month we all hope) then that might be enough to get people to wait.

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"Come on, I'm the biggest Zelda fan here and I'm just fine with the delay...The Zelda Team is doing their best to make this game the best ever, and damned if they need to be stopped by time contraints!"

I know that there making it from drooling good to foaming at the mounth great but still I'm sad about the delay

This sucks 'cause I feel all late and upset. . .

This sucks. I already bought this at Blockbuster. Prepaid for the whole thing. Wonder if they'll let me switch to a different game? Although I don't know which I want.

Oh I get it now. I, a Nintendo fan, am supposed to occupy my time with my DS until the swan-song of the GameCube is released or the Revolution comes upon. I'm not really sure this works for me but I'll see what I can do. I need a list of all the Nintendo stuff I can play to "Extend The Life Span OF My Deathly Ill System"or "The Official: Sleeper Games You May Have Missed And Since Zelda Is 6-months Away You've Got Some Extra Time To Go Back And Play Thread":

I am calling out for your help fellas, I am weak and need help in this time of heartache and crisis.

No matter how much spin I use in my mind I keep coming up with the same thing, "Un-satin".

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The guys over at the PA boards brought up a good point. Sony had their AAA title delayed into next year and there wasn't anywhere near the uproar this is causing... This again just points out the bias towards Nintendo by everyone including most of their fans. It gets pretty old.

The more I think about this plan the more I realize Nintendo is being brilliant with this decision. Remember the designers had to ask for the extra time, meaning that Nintendo business analysists examined the decision and decided it was best to impliment this step for the holidays.

How would this help Nintendo this holiday season? Well simple. Gamers only have limited finances and Nintendo is already having a very BIG holiday lineup. This year Nintendo seems to be focusing on its dominance of the handheld market...a market they can't refuse to lose.

1)So Nintendo will be pushing sales of Nintendo DS and all its games.
2)Nintendo will be pushing a cheap fantastic Gameboy Micro to become the most portable system around.
3)Zelda would have taken the limelight away from several of the other holiday Gamecube lineup. That can include all the following 2 Mario Games, a strategy RPG, A Dance Game, and Pokemon Game.
4)This helps flesh out Gamecube's next year lineup, that also includes a Kirby Game (unless that has been pushed back to Revolution.)

There are several good things to come of this...without thinking about the potential it could mean either being moved to support Revolution or Revolution bonus material.

And for those that say it would delay the game too much. You are comparing apples to oranges.

The Nintendo 64 programming language was very different than the Gamecube and required complete retooling of code to move both Starfox and Eternal Darkness over. Both games did poorly for different reasons. Star Fox Adventures did poorly because it was a game that had horrible design. It was surrounded by tedious non enjoyable gameplay. Eternal Darkness was a game that was poorly marketed, and a mature game from a company not known for producing mature games. People didn't buy it because they were unsure of the product.

If Zelda TP was retooled the code should require only minor tweaks if no tweaks at all. Nintendo has already stated that the Revolution and Gamecube programming will be very similar and compatiable. The engine and gameplay are solid because its Nintendo working on an in house Zelda they won't mess it up. More proof that changing an original platform doesn't always kill a game is Halo, which was original developed for computer...in fact if I recall it was original being developed for APPLE.

Ian the truth is you are being way too negative and critical. Wind Waker was a true Zelda game, and you just didn't like the theme of the game or the graphics or both. Perhaps you felt betrayed, but to say Nintendo has produced a real Zelda game, because it wasn't what you wanted is kinda self-fish and ignorant. So now you are complaining that the game is being delayed practally ruining Nintendo's holiday season, unless it works a miracle. Well, I say it won't ruin it and if Nintendo chooses to prep it for Revolution it will actually be the smartest move Nintendo could make...even if that prepping is just a few bonus levels and features.

Everyone being completely negative needs to look at the news from another perspective. Not what you would want, but if this makes better since for Nintendo. Delaying the game to make it the best Zelda possible is what we need.

Now, to the comment that now Zelda will be facing Halo 3. I laugh. Halo 3 is not coming out next year. Bungie works just as hard one their software as Nintendo does, and they will not launch that until it is completely ready and groundbreaking. Besides launching it in 2007 will make Halo be lost in the flood of 10 million first person shooters.

The bottom line is, if they port TP over to the Revolution, and are still working on a newer version, that will equate to a great business move-plus we fans get two Zelda's in two years.

Please tell me why this is a better move than just putting the game out on the GC, which already has a set userbase? Considering the Rev's backwards-compatibility, porting the game to the Rev would just be outright stupid...

"I am calling out for your help fellas, I am weak and need help in this time of heartache and crisis."

well here a flash zelda game if you need something to play and here a zelda movie.

There is only one thing that nintendo can do to make it up send the e3 demo to stores so we can play it. They sent it to comixcon and g phoura so why not?

I'm not so much saddened by the fact that I won't be able to play Zelda this year. If they're going to make it a better game, I'll give em all the time they need.

I'm VERY saddened however from a business standpoint...Nintendo's got nothing. Unless Rev plans are revealed tomorrow at the German conference, there are probably 10 million GameCube owners who're jumping ship to buy a curvy new Xbox.

"there are probably 10 million GameCube owners who're jumping ship to buy a curvy new Xbox. "

They be back, ms is going to make upgrade to the 360 after time making old 360 usless and then they be back.

Time for a Pale rant again..don't read if you don't care...

Why the hell is the console industry a freaking pissing contest? Virtually every other industry in this world has multiple players and people don't bitch and moan on forums about them...

Damn i really like Ferraris, but they are letting the fans down because there are other car companies that sell more cars than them!

Sheesh. I wish I could discuss news with people on the internet in a world where every other post wasn't some "I'M SMARTER THAN THEY ARE! THEY ARE DOOMED!" message.

Edit: I think I'm sigging myself now... =P

Kirby: Did you not read my post.

Nintendo has the DS online with Mario Kart.
Nintendo has Mario Baseball, and Mario Strikers, and Fire Emblem, and Battlan Wars, and Pokemon XD.
Nintendo has the Gameboy Micro and few really nice new GBA game to go with it.
Nintendo has alot of games coming out this holiday season, missing Zelda isn't that big.

It probably is just being prepped to be the best Gamecube game available. I don't mind if it comes on the Cube. I wish that it could hit the Revolution and be a launch game, pushing the Revolution launch up sooner, but I think that is just me dreaming for the Revolution to come sooner than later.

"Sony had their AAA title delayed into next year and there wasn't anywhere near the uproar this is causing... This again just points out the bias towards Nintendo by everyone including most of their fans."

Apples and oranges. The PS2 has incredibly strong third party support and has a healthy release schedule. Final Fantasy XII was one of several games that are scheduled to be released this year. The Cube doesn't have that luxury. Zelda was pretty much literally the only major Cube game scheduled for the Christmas season. You're comparing a system that has more games released in a week than the Cube gets in two months. The difference between these two situations is HUGE.

I GOT IT!

Nintendo's gonna release GAMECUBE in ASSORTED COLORS!

GameCube SP?

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Also, since there's no screenshot talkback, why does PGC put their logo on the screenshots? As well as a lot of other gaming sites? You guys did not make the screenshots, you didn't even take them yourselves. You got them from Nintendo. Do you have some special premission to put your logo on it while displaying it?

Its a practice most sites do, and I think the main reason is to discourage bandwidth theft, but I could be wrong.

I don't know how familiar you are with HTML, but for the sake of explaining, I'll assume you have none.

In any html page you can put a image regardless of what server it is on. It would be possible for me to make a site and put all of the images from PGCs server directly on it. This is important because bandwidth costs money and visitors to my site would be unknowingly downloading stuff from PGC without my bandwidth being affected. Thus, I wouldn't have to pay a dime for it.

By putting their logo on the images, if people do this, their readers will be confused by the fact that another sites logo is on their page. So they are protecting bandwidth, not the actual image files.

I'm sure there are other reasons too.

"That would have been a smart move...two years ago. It's too late now."

Well that's like Nintendo's mission statement. Hell, Twilight Princess should have been released two years ago instead of Wind Waker. Release the arty Zelda that the mainstream audience won't like first and the more traditional "cool" Zelda at the very end of the console's life when no one cares anymore? What sort of backwards logic is that?

Nintendo: two years behind where they should be since 1996.

TP was going to be the holiday game from GC, so now what is Nintendo going to put the spotlight on for GC owners?

I'm eagerly awaiting Mario Soccer! (no I'm not being sarcastic )

As for the Gameboy micro news, a date is nice, but still no price point or firm details on included accessories and link capabilities. Billy over at GI says he was told we would learn more very shortly. This is very strange to me given the IGN rumors of a Rev unveiling next week. As of now there is no good reason to wait 1 week from one press release about the release date to release another one with the pricing info. (sorry for all the releases =P) Does Nintendo have something up their sleeves?

Ian is not being too negative Spak-Spang, in fact, he is one of the most realistic people on this site. Not having Zelda ready for a holiday release is in no way a good move how you look at it. That game was going to sell GameCubes to most people and was the only real defense fans have for choosing a GC this holiday season. Its almost a joke to me that Nintendo is coming out this holyday season without a major holiday game but has a third verson of a system we already own.
Having Zelda released in spring will also hurt the sales they could of had if they had released it for holiday season. We also DONT need any more droughts from Nintendo if they are serious about being a competitor for the upcoming console war.

Release the arty Zelda that the mainstream audience won't like first and the more traditional "cool" Zelda at the very end of the console's life when no one cares anymore? What sort of backwards logic is that?

The same logic that denotes that an artist will create what he wants to create and when he wants to create it, not what the people want him to create...

the only real defense fans have for choosing a GC

Who are you defending your choices to? Grow a pair.

I'm assuming that you didn't mean that the way it sounds, but it sounds pretty childish.

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Oh holy frak!!!!!

So I won't be playing TP is year, and it was supposed to my 50th GCN title bought.

And to Ian, I won't be jumping over to Hypebox 360, since I have charactors I need to work on on PSO (both games) and of corse, I can play GBA games on TV if I get really board. I in yo face, fool.

Man only four games this fall.....

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"The same logic that denotes that an artist will create what he wants to create and when he wants to create it, not what the people want him to create..."

Nintendo's primarily a business though. From a business perspective it's an illogical move. Nintendo may make some of the best games in the world but they're a corporation first and foremost.

When I say it'll hurt the sales, what I mean by that is most people, not just gamers, would be buying the game for Xmas gifts. Having it for spring of next year will not mean that it wont sell well, but rather that it missed a good chance to sell more gamecube and zeldas for under the trees. When I also brought up drought, what I was trying to say is that now we dont have a major game from Nintendo for Xmas for the GC, so now there is an empty gap.

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"The same logic that denotes that an artist will create what he wants to create and when he wants to create it, not what the people want him to create..."

Nintendo's primarily a business though. From a business perspective it's an illogical move. Nintendo may make some of the best games in the world but they're a corporation first and foremost.

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Nintendo's primarily a business though. From a business perspective it's an illogical move. Nintendo may make some of the best games in the world but they're a corporation first and foremost.

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"Do you play their games or their fiscal reports?"

I play their games but they have to stay in business to MAKE games, right? They could have made both Twilight Princess and Wind Waker just in the opposite order. Then maybe we wouldn't be in a situation where one game being delayed leaves a huge hole in the release schedule.

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Nintendo's primarily a business though. From a business perspective it's an illogical move. Nintendo may make some of the best games in the world but they're a corporation first and foremost.

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I wonder what if any kind of alternative tactic Nintendo will use to sell Gamecubes this holiday season. I suppose they could bundle it with like three games or drop the price to $50 bucks or something. Of course at this point they might just concentrate on the DS and GBA. I mean, whether people admit it or not, the Gamecube didn't fail. It wasn't nearly as successful as it could have been but it did sell a decent number of units over the years had quite a few games that sold well and made Nintendo a profit and does have a successor on the way. Everyone at the beginning of this generation thought the Gamecube would go the way of the Dreamcast and Nintendo would go third-party but they were proven wrong and even if the Gamecube does horribly this holiday season it won't matter because this generation is pretty much over anyway.

As for TP. Nintendo is going to have to come up with some unique way of selling it. Someone mentioned way back at the start of this thread about selling it with a free Gamecube. That's exactly what Nintendo should do.
Sell Zelda with a special Zelda-edition Gamecube bundled in for just a little over the price of a single game and advertise the hell out of it. I bet a lot of Oot fans who never bought a Gamecube would go for it.

"Someone mentioned way back at the start of this thread about selling it with a free Gamecube. That's exactly what Nintendo should do. Sell Zelda with a special Zelda-edition Gamecube bundled in for just a little over the price of a single game and advertise the hell out of it."

By the time TP gets released though the Rev will be close enough to release that for a non-Cube owner it would make more sense to just wait a little bit provided they have the extra money. I think they should have two periods of marketing. The first one at release which is basically just "hey Zelda's out now" which should be pretty easy. Just show some footage in a commercial and every Cube owner will buy it. Then when the Rev comes out they cut the price by about 10 bucks or so and then run a new commercial spot that focuses on backwards compatibility and the download feature of the Rev and TP is heavily promoted in that ad. The idea there is to sell TP to new Rev owners who didn't own a Cube and can play Twlight Princess on their new console.

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I think it's a shame so many people leave their GameCubes unplayed. It seems like people only pay attention to the new releases, because with 400 games available, I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who's played through all of the good ones. Maybe I'm just easily amused, or maybe I haven't beaten as many games as everyone else, but I can easily find 10 worthwhile GameCube games that aren't in my collection for the price of an Xbox 360. And I'll still get to play Twighlight Princess.

P.S. On alternative marketing tactics for GameCube: Free games are nice, but I think it's too late in the generation for a kamikaze attack like 3 free games to be worthwhile. Realistically, the Cube only has one year left to live. Giving away three games to gain customers that may only buy one or two more games before they trade the GameCube in isn't smart. All that gaining lots of marketshare this late in the "war" does is give Nintendo some bragging rights, so the company shouldn't make big sacrifices for it.

If you guys are worried about Nintendo's livlihood, just make sure you buy a DS and as many games for it as possible. The PSP is a threat, the XBox 360 is not.

Why do I say that? Because we all know that this generation wasn't the greatest for Nintendo on the home console side of things (sales wise). I think its pretty safe to say that a good portion of the gamecubes that have been sold, were sold through to Nintendo fans. These fans aren't going anywhere. We will still buy the Rev and enjoy it, and Nintendo's financial sense will assure them profit even on 'third place' sales numbers.

Nintendo makes most of its money on the handheld market. Just look at some of the sales data. 500000 copies of a gamecube game is deamed a good sales amount. (not great, but good) Fricken retro atari classics 13 sells that many on the GBA.

What is ridiculous about this news is that this game was supposedly done in the spring time. Either they're putting in voice acting for the localized version, putting in forward compatibility with the REV controller, or they are putting in forward compatibility with the REV "noline" service. It is unusual of Nintendo to delay to add in whole new areas or dungeons to a game. No, when they want a game to seem longer they just slap in a fetch quest. This can't be them working out bugs, I doubt there were that many to justify them working on this game for an extra year after it was finished. They must have decided to add something in like four sword online play. At least that is what I will fantasize for now, because this news is terrible. Maybe there really will be a GameBoyCube.

I can't decide if I am going to get a PS2slim with Shadow of Collosus or 360 with PD0.

I am going to have to buy a REV to play the new Zelda because right now I am thinking of selling the Cube.

At first, when I brought it home; I said, "this won't turn out like my poor Dreamcast." I know how to pick them; this is what I get for buying consoles for games. Two duds and no Knights on my Dreamcast, and no Mario 128 and still no ultimate Zelda on Cube.

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What the F*CK are you TALKING about? What the hell does "unsatin" mean? It's "not a fabric of silk with a glossy surface on one side"? That is quite frankly the most STUPID phrase I've ever heard.

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What the F*CK are you TALKING about? What the hell does "unsatin" mean? It's "not a fabric of silk with a glossy surface on one side"? That is quite frankly the most STUPID phrase I've ever heard.

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I will repeat. We should have seen this coming. Nintendo has a huge load of Gamecube games that they have been working on, or have contracted out to other companies. Too many for this year and next year....specially if Next year they are releasing the Revolution Mid-Summer...which I guess is most likely improbable.

Now, we had Nintendo show a very strong list of games coming out at E3 for the Cube and you knew that not all those games could be released at the same time. The competition between that many Nintendo released exclusives would have killed sales for all the games.

Perhaps Nintendo delayed the wrong game...but again they aren't in complete say of what games get delayed they release the games that are ready. Nintendo still has a very strong holiday lineup, and more now Nintendo could potentially save itself and one of its largest franchises from a possible embarassing release. (If Zelda did poorly up against the Xbox 360 launch it could weaken its power in the media's and gamer's eyes.)

The Cube still has GREAT games coming out.

What is very interesting to me about this press release is that Nintendo states that in March they will announce a definate date for Zelda. It won't be available in March, neccessarly. We may actually have a half year or year delay. Then why not push for this game to be Revolutionary. This decision was probably made awhile ago. There was a story about Zelda for Revolution already being worked on. (I am not saying this is definately what I believe, but I think it is plausible.)

Ian is being too negative because he is trashing one of the finest Zelda games ever created (Wink Waker) saying it really isn't a Zelda game. Listen, it is Nintendo's franchise and you should allow the artists to explore and create new experiences otherwise we will be stuck with what you HATE cheap sequels that just give the masses what they want. Nintendo has always tried to do something little different with each sequel...sometimes greatly different.

All Nintendo has to do now, is choose the right 2 games to market the hell out of, and present them as THE games to own for this holiday season. Those 2 games I think should be Fire Emblem and Battalion Wars. Both are games that older gamers can enjoy, yet are still friendly to all ages (exactly what Nintendo should be known for.)

Zelda should be prepped for Revolution and at launch either in this summer Nintendo should have:

Zelda
Smash Brothers
new IP
Metroid Prime 3

ready for launch, and have a killer lineup of games you MUST own for a great Nintendo launch. A launch like this also frees up Nintendo to explore new IPs and other creative gaming, because it has already provided 3 of its largest franchises

OR, if Nintendo waits till Christmas to launch then Nintendo should release Revolution with

Zelda
Smash Brothers
Metroid Prime 3
Mario Revolution
New IP

Once again have a power packed launch that allows you to branch out and explore more creative games.

Also remember we still have Kirby Gamecube Game for next year, or that game also could be retooled for the Revolution.

Now matter if you look at it through my eyes or a more realistic eyes that the delay is for normal reasons. Nintendo has a bright future ahead of itself.

1)A stellar first party lineup for the holiday season
2)A stellar portable market about to BOOM with great new games and bring Nintendo online for the first time.
3)A Zelda game being perfected and polished to remind the world what Nintendo does best.
4)The Revolution looming in the future to shock the world with what Nintendo means by innovation.
5)Miyamoto working of bringing a truly new experience for Mario as well, which will hopefully have the full polish treatment like Zelda Twillight Princess will get.

"It seems like people only pay attention to the new releases, because with 400 games available, I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who's played through all of the good ones."

It probably depends on at what period the person bought a Cube. I bought one at launch so new releases are what I pay attention to the most because I've been buying games for the system as they're released from the beginning. If you buy a Cube now then yeah, you've got quite a few games to play. But when you've owned one since launch those 400 games are spread out over a period of almost four years. The old games I haven't played yet are ones that at the time of release I wasn't very interested in and thus intentionally skipped.

Though oviously personal opinion plays a big role but the problem with the Cube is that it doesn't allow you to be have picky or specific tastes. If you like every major game then you're sitting pretty. But if you don't then the variety drops like a rock. Compare this to the PS2 where even if you completely avoid the major titles there are tons of more obscure games and hidden gems to choose from. I haven't bought one Cube game all year so far. I'll probably get RE4 at some point (at the time of release I was still into Metroid Prime 2) but other than that I wasn't interested in the other games. I don't own the bongos or really want them so I didn't get Jungle Beat, Star Fox Assault sounded like total crap, and Killer 7 sounded like it was pretty weak in the gameplay department. What else is there? I wasn't interested in only three games so several months have gone by where I've had nothing to play. That's why this delay is so major. For some it is the only game of the year they're interested in because the lineup is so slim. Cube owners can't be expected to like every high profile game. We should only be expected to like about a quarter of them. A quarter is like one or two games for the rest of the year. That's unacceptable.

"Ian is being too negative because he is trashing one of the finest Zelda games ever created (Wink Waker) saying it really isn't a Zelda game."

I never said that. I said it wasn't really what I wanted out of a Zelda game. I still enjoyed the hell out of it and don't regret buying it at all. It's a great game by normal game standards, it's just pretty weak as a Zelda game.

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What is ridiculous about this news is that this game was supposedly done in the spring time. Either they're putting in voice acting for the localized version, putting in forward compatibility with the REV controller, or they are putting in forward compatibility with the REV "noline" service. It is unusual of Nintendo to delay to add in whole new areas or dungeons to a game. No, when they want a game to seem longer they just slap in a fetch quest.

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Wow, I can't believe people are ready to sell their gamecube because a game was delayed... not cancelled... delayed...

You people are all silly.

May as well sell it, what else will I do with it? REV will be out soon after or right when Zelda releases for Cube if Nintendo is smart making the game more widely marketable with the new system, fresh face, and wider audience.

Zelda sure as hell won't encourage any more Cubes to be sold now. If anyone is thinking of buying a new piece of hardware it is likely got MS written on it.

Pale: I think there's some exaggerating going on.

Ian: You really should play DKJB, it's so great. If you've at least tried it, then cool, but that game really has to be experienced.

Eh, this might be my last post on the topic, so I'll sum up my opinion. Yeah, it's a poor business decision. I personally think it's too late in the system's lifespan for that to be a really big deal anyway, but I admit it will hurt sales of the game, and probably sales of the GameCube. But on the gaming side of things, I couldn't be happier. I believe this delay will make the difference between yet another good game that is forced to fill up time with fetch quests and an outstanding game that could be the absolute best in the 3D LoZ series.

Ah, who am I kidding, no Zelda game without Tingle will be the best in the series!

Nintendo is holding Zelda hostage.

"Ian: You really should play DKJB, it's so great. If you've at least tried it, then cool, but that game really has to be experienced."

I've played the demo in stores. To be fair I've never put in more than a few minutes of time into it but I really wasn't that impressed with what I played. I just couldn't get the controls. It was like Nintendo thought "let's make a game that uses the BONGOS" but didn't have any concept in mind to justify it. I was like bongo controls for the sake of bongo controls and I just couldn't figure out what the hell I was doing.

I'd like to mention that I have no intention of selling my Cube. I don't sell old consoles and I don't really see any reason to sell a Cube because of this. We are still getting the game just later. I also don't intend on buying an Xbox 360. At the very least I'm going to wait until I see the Rev. I think other people will buy X360's and Nintendo will lose a fair chunk of their fanbase though.

I don't remember how long Ocarina of Time was in development for but I don't thing it was 3years and that is my biggest concern. The GameCube, as I'm hearing, is not too hard to make a game for. Even more so, why would it take a 1st party company 3years to perfect "any" game. Metriod Prime is about as perfect a game as there can be. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think it took this long. "Polish" is one thing but mark my words boys and girls, there is more to this delay than just "polish". Boy, don't I sound like the confident one. Almost as if I had a hot tip on a race horse...

Hopefully all those satin DS titles coming out this fall can easy my wait for the Return of the King

That's right, people. Nintendo's fanbase will flock to post-apocalyptic FPSs, racers with the same realistic cars, and zombie-filled adventures that have zombies for the sake of filling the screen with zombies.

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May as well sell it, what else will I do with it? REV will be out soon after or right when Zelda releases for Cube if Nintendo is smart making the game more widely marketable with the new system, fresh face, and wider audience.

Zelda sure as hell won't encourage any more Cubes to be sold now. If anyone is thinking of buying a new piece of hardware it is likely got MS written on it.

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I ment, Zelda won't be selling anymore Cubes for Nintendo.

If I hustle my Cube off it does not benefit Nintendo; it only means I have money to buy a game for another console. The point is there isn't anything else coming out, why not sell the Cube and just pick up Zelda when the REV finally comes out.

Why pretend to have fun with the system when there are no games coming out for it. The DS has more software coming out for it and its hardware has nill potential compared to the Cube. The industry is upside down. The Cube was the easiest console to dev this gen with the fastest CPU; WTF happened?

Eighty nine Mario games that weren't Mario games happened; that is all I can figure out. There was no room for anything like Devil May Cry or MGS3 apparently.

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I also do not understand Nintendo's stance on how showing the next system will hurt current products. What current products? Geist. Oh god, bwahaha. Give me a break. The only logic I have seen in their philosophy until now was that they wanted to wait until after Zelda to show REV so not to distract from Zelda and GameCube's shining moment. I don't see how showing the REV right now could in any way hurt Nintendo's stocks or profits. Nintendo has nothing coming out except DS ports like Mario Kart with online now five years later and not on the console. Is that how the REV is going to be too, same old same old same old now with belated noline? Yeah that term makes it sound like a gimmick; how can you make something legit like free online even sound like a gimmick Nintendo?

"with Shadow of Collosus "

is it me or dosen't ico and Shadow of Collosus look and feel like zelda?

"Lets see; Nintendo's fanbase...NES - 100 million units sold."

Is was a one side war back then, now it 12 sided war

"Yeah, it's a poor business decision. "

... eh (well now that I'm that I got unpiss by pissing off my old sister with car key) this is just for the better and is it a poor business decision or a great business decision? think I know about o ... 50,000 people who buy a cube just for tp but the cube live is now dead so that be usless for them now but make it better long (like nintendo add the two lost level then that crappy hunt thing in ww) and delay and now they have 50,000 more rev sells and happer fan base when they stop bitching about the delay by day end.

Im saddened of course, but the whole "Nintendo is doomed" speech is really getting old, somehow we internet geeks who spend time posting daily on forums like this know more about video game business that the most succesful company in that business?

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Someone with some technical know-how should take up Nile-Boogie's idea. Obviously revising the graphics enough to be worth making TP a Rev title would take more than a year. But what if they make foliage and other details scalable, like many PC games? You still have essentially the same game for the cube, but it looks substantially better on the Rev. Just a thought.

As a Nintendo fan, I'm definitely distraught. We can spin this however much we want, but there's no question it will hurt them, only how much. Plus, this inevitably means that much more delay before we get a Rev Zelda, which will inevitably be a massive seller. As a gamer, I'm frustrated and impatient, but also willing to recognize that the delay will almost certainly be worth it or they wouldn't have made it. I fully expect TP to be the epic Zelda, massive in scale and endlessly engrossing, that I've wanted since finishing OoT.

As a Nintendo fan and a gamer, I'd like to say this: Despite the tiku tiku tiku! image, Nintendo still has a certain cache among gamers. They are the company dedicated to straight-forward, unpretentious, instantly addictive fun. They believe in quality in substance as well as presentation, in surpassing expectations. And I think this move demonstrates this as no other could.

I expect they'll delay other games again, and I expect it will cost them in sales, and I expect the games will be better games for it. It's not actually a losing strategy in the long run - take a look at a little company called Blizzard, for instance.

Still...

AAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

Definitely disappointing.

The excuse to "make the game as big and great as possible" spin is somewhat annoying. The game did not suddenly get bigger. Nobody with any management skill would purposely fumble the corporation's holiday plan with such blatant feature-creep. As internal milestones drew near, they simply realized they didn't have enough time to finish it. That's all. We're not getting a "bigger and better" game as a result. They just need more time to finish the game they already planned and promised.

I don't know if it's been mentioned or not yet, but it sounds like Nintendo will now use Zelda to counter PlayStation 3 rather than the Xbox. It's possible that developers only needed 2 extra months to finish, and perhaps they're purposely pushing it off a little further to counter PS3. In any event, it looks like there will be a spring showdown.

Since Zelda's launching in the Spring, there is no doubt in my mind that Revolution won't make it out until the Fall now.

I've played the demo in stores. To be fair I've never put in more than a few minutes of time into it but I really wasn't that impressed with what I played. I just couldn't get the controls. It was like Nintendo thought "let's make a game that uses the BONGOS" but didn't have any concept in mind to justify it. I was like bongo controls for the sake of bongo controls and I just couldn't figure out what the hell I was doing.

The fact that you think the game has no concept PROVES that you haven't put enough time into the game...PLEASE, for the sake of unique action gameplay, put more into the game...

I feel bad for everyone who is at home being upset about this...

No actually I envy them. If one game getting delayed 6-8 months gets you this worked up, you must have pretty tame and pleasant lives.

It is kind of funny, the other day I was thinking about how quickly Zelda's have been coming out and historically a 2 year window for a new Zelda game has not allowed for truly great Zelda games (good maybe, but not great). For example the 2 year Zelda games (please if I am mistaken correct me) are Majora's Mask, Zelda 2, Minish Cap, and Wind Waker (though I think it is the exception). In a way I was hoping for a delay if it truly meant for a truly grand experience that didn't feel rushed (as much as I LOVED Wind Waker I had to admit the last half felt rushed). So I think this is more of a blessing than a curse for us gamers, now it may hurt Nintendo financially but at least it shows they still care deeply about gaming.

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Someone with some technical know-how should take up Nile-Boogie's idea. Obviously revising the graphics enough to be worth making TP a Rev title would take more than a year. But what if they make foliage and other details scalable, like many PC games? You still have essentially the same game for the cube, but it looks substantially better on the Rev. Just a thought.

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But, as I said, Gamer 1 would feel like he/she was getting a raw deal. They paid a lot for the game, and now they find out that they can't play it fully without getting a Rev. Then they won't be a HAPPY GAMER anymore.

""In effect, because of the backward compatibility built into Revolution, every GameCube game also will be a Revolution title," she said. "But we feel a commitment to the GameCube owners who've been patiently awaiting this new Zelda title, and don't want to force them to wait and buy a brand new system in order to play the game."
~Perrin Kaplan

That just means that TP isn't being moved to the Rev. It doesn't exactly imply that there will be no 'fowards compatibility' bonus. Although one COULD derrive that from the statement.

be cool if they added a feature thats unlocked when you play in on rev
much like the the gbc zelda games

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But, as I said, Gamer 1 would feel like he/she was getting a raw deal. They paid a lot for the game, and now they find out that they can't play it fully without getting a Rev. Then they won't be a HAPPY GAMER anymore.

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IanSane would find a way to be upset, no doubt.

"You also discover that in addition to the new downloadable weapons, costumes & power-ups, there is a new online/multiplayer mode opens up."

Whoa, hold up now...You went way too far...

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"You also discover that in addition to the new downloadable weapons, costumes & power-ups, there is a new online/multiplayer mode opens up."

Whoa, hold up now...You went way too far...

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Is completely stupid a suitable answer to that question? =P

But seriously, this whole mentality of "every game is better if its online" is really bad.

You undoubtedly did go too far, BlackNMild. If all of that is unlocked by playing with the Rev, it would make Gamer 1 even more bitter. The people who buy Zelda, there will be many of them that won't be buying a Rev for a while/at all. Then, potentially millions of customers will be unsatisfied because they can't get the whole experience without buying a new $300 console.

As I said before, if the game can be played better with the new controller in any way, that is fine by me. It's OK if Zelda uses the new features of the controller to its benefit. And graphical enhancements, maybe... But all of these unlockable features would lead Gamer 1 to feel cheated.

Playing Twilight Princess in the Revolution will be the only way to get to older or "newer" Zelda swag.

Walk with once more: You beat TP on the Cube then when you play it on the REV. you get uber cool stuff (downloadable) sided quest. Like Link going into Hyrule Library: While reading a story he falls asleep and wake up in the dream wordl...Cel-Shaded, does a little quest, returns to the regular world with extra rare "bunny hat" to trade for bottle of "Goron Golden Goodness" which he trades for...and such is the beauty of Forward Compatibility.

How about that.

Which is why I just suggest a graphics update and possibly a small extra quest, akin to the "color dungeon" from the GBC game. No one was angry that you couldn't get the color dungeon on a regular Gameboy, at least not that I heard. It's not like the content mysteriously vanished from the game, and you were eventually going to get the upgraded system anyway. And obviously upping the graphics would have zero potential for outrage, because the GC simply couldn't support them. That would be the point.

I'm hearing that there really is an appreciable segment of the population that has bought/will buy GCs solely for TP. If they get it and love it (as of course they inevitably will) and find out there's some additional content and a better-looking version they can access with a Rev, well... I think that would be a nice incentive, not a source of outrage, especially if the extra content is designed to take advantage of the Rev's special capabilities. No one went through the roof when KoToR had some extra things in the PC version. It's just accepted business practice.

I'm a bit pissed about this "Nintendo always breaks their promises" and "they're keeping it because they can't finish the content they promised on time" crap. The first sentiment is really six-year-old whining. In real life, sometimes a company can't keep its promises and that's that. Reality intrudes. Consider Peter Molyneaux, Blizzard, and Valve, for example. Heck, we should be grateful that at least Nintendo was more honest than Valve about its delays. No waiting until a month before scheduled release and then blaming the fourteen-month delay on hackers. And on the second part: if Nintendo has promised us a certain number of dungeons, or quality of AI, or NPCs, I'd love to see it. They could just make cuts to the material they originally planned like they did with WW and fill in the fetch quests. I'm glad they went the other route on this one.

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You undoubtedly did go too far, BlackNMild. If all of that is unlocked by playing with the Rev, it would make Gamer 1 even more bitter. The people who buy Zelda, there will be many of them that won't be buying a Rev for a while/at all. Then, potentially millions of customers will be unsatisfied because they can't get the whole experience without buying a new $300 console.

As I said before, if the game can be played better with the new controller in any way, that is fine by me. It's OK if Zelda uses the new features of the controller to its benefit. And graphical enhancements, maybe... But all of these unlockable features would lead Gamer 1 to feel cheated.

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"If "anyone" plays a game that is on par with The Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina Of Time and still feels cheated because their experience is lacking due to bonus features of a machine that they don't own the I say F*** 'em."

So, you're saying F*** 'em to pretty much everybody who didn't buy 4 swords.

"But we feel a commitment to the GameCube owners who've been patiently awaiting this new Zelda title, and don't want to force them to wait and buy a brand new system in order to play the game."

Damn straight. Most of what Kaplin has been saying regarding this is a bunch of spin doctored junk that just makes me more upset. But this is a serious concern of mine and I'm glad they consider that important. Though this might not mean anything. NOA's statements don't mean much when NCL just does whatever they want willy-nillyl without any regard for the American market.

IceCold is right, adding significant exclusive Rev content would just piss off Cube owners. It goes against the whole design of consoles. The reason consoles are so popular is because unlike PCs you buy the hardware and every game works and plays the same on every machine. Putting extra content on the Rev is no different then making someone buy a new graphics card to play the latest PC game. No, I bought a Cube and every game that says "Gamecube" on the side is going to play on it with all features intact. Realistically this is why connectivity bombed. Suddenly you had to buy another system to get full usage out of your game.

And GBC games are different. Those are not forward compatible Gameboy games. They are backwards compatible Gameboy Color games. They say GBC on the box. Plus no one with a brain bought a Gameboy for Link's Awakening DX. That was a GBC game that launched with the GBC. Zelda will likely launch before the Rev is released. So you buy the game now and then find out a few months later that you should have waited for the Rev. I just think it would blow up in their face. Some people have bought a Cube just for this game. To screw them out of the full game would really hurt Nintendo's image.

"Sonic And Knuckles Lock On Technology as a reference."

Sonic & Knuckles, Sonic 3, and Sonic 2 were all for the Genesis. No additional several hundred dollar investment needed.

To comment on something, wasn't OOT in development for close to 4 years? I seem to remember pictures of it before the N64 came out.

It would be like if last year George Lucas pushed Revenge of the Sith from May to Christmas. Of course there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. But it's Aonuma's ship now, his command. He's in charge, the boss, the head man, top dog, big cheese, head honcho, number one

Well I just found out that Zelda OOT had a 3 year development cycle, I got the information from this link http://www.g4tv.com/icons/features/47808/Icons_Interview_Eiji_Aonuma_on_Zelda.html

I dont see how bonuses would piss cube owners off
Its like buying Zelda:WW and being pissed off cause you can play the test stages that you need a Action reply to play (which are quite fun)
Most of the unlockacle stuff one WW was pretty crappy anyway, esp seeing enemys health

You guys are way too paranoid.

If TP were to have unlockables on the REV, it wouldn't be anything significant. It would be more of a bonus that teases the next Zelda than a grand part in the adventure.

What I mean is: you beat TP on the GC, then 6 months after the REV comes out, you find yourself in an inevitable drought of games. Hey look....Zelda....that game was fun....then you pop it in. To your surprise it has a new mechanic (due to the REV's special feature) which makes the game interesting again while at the same time psyching (sp?) yourself up for the upcoming Zelda and it's possible gameplay.

Even so, I still think this announcement is exactly what it reads....a delay to polish the game....nothing more, nothing less.

I agree with Don'tHate on this one. I don't think people will get upset over small REV-only unlockables (I didn't care about the island on Animal Crossing, or the unlockable games in Metroid Prime).

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That would have been a smart move...two years ago. It's too late now.

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You acting as if this delay is just for poilsh. The game is not done they add new level witch show that it's not done so it would have never be done in time for 05.

"IceCold is right, adding significant exclusive Rev content would just piss off Cube owners. It goes against the whole design of consoles. The reason consoles are so popular is because unlike PCs you buy the hardware and every game works and plays the same on every machine. Putting extra content on the Rev is no different then making someone buy a new graphics card to play the latest PC game."

Now that is just a big, steaming pile of crap.

It takes someone with a truly superhuman victim complex to complain that the game looks better on the Rev when it's impossible to make it look that good on the GC. This is so preposterous I really don't know what to say, except that Nintendo should be catering to the non-neurotic people who don't obsess about the extra blades of grass they can't see because they haven't gotten the new system yet. For those so hagridden that the sheer possibility that someone out there might possibly be playing a better version of the game that they won't buy it, I say screw 'em. They dealt themselves out of an awesome game for phenomonally childish reasons that make no sort of moral sense. Much like being upset that Nintendo released a better version of its hardware. It's not like the existance of a better version somehow diminished your version, at least for sane people. You still got exactly what you payed for.

Jesus christ you people talk up a storm. I wasn't logged in yesterday when I first saw this and now there are already 9 pages

First off, let me say right off the bat that I don't really mind. I'm already stretching my money thin with the excess of games I want to buy, so more time (not to mention having something to play next spring, something awesome) doesn't bother me at all. The delay means the game will be even better. I'm not rushed about getting it or anything, so this is only good for me.
And it won't kill Nintendo's Christmas. It's actually a reasonable decision. This way, they can focus on and market games that would not have gotten so much attention, particularly handhelds, and try to pull their highest profit from that. Come April (or whenever), people will buy Zelda. Everyone will buy Zelda no matter what time it's released: I mean, it's Zelda. Instead of having everyone spend their Christmas money on a game they'd buy later anyway, they'll get them to spend it on other games that might not have sold under the wings of Zelda.

"This way, they can focus on and market games that would not have gotten so much attention, particularly handhelds, and try to pull their highest profit from that."

Nintendo has used this arguement as well and I think it makes no sense. This is about the Gamecube, not the DS or GBA. Someone who owns a Cube should not be expected to buy a DS to get a decent game selection for Christmas. The portable and console markets are different. Nintendo of all companies should know that. So you can't say "well there's lots of DS games" because the DS isn't the Cube. It's a different system with a different userbase. There's some overlap but you can't rely on the DS to fill gaps in the Cube lineup.

Some people said that because the GBA userbase dwarfed the Cube userbase that connectivity would take off because it would be so easy to find GBA owners to play with. But it bombed hard and that's because Nintendo was relying on the Cube userbase and the GBA userbase to the be the same people and they weren't. Nintendo has to assume that Cube owners only have a Gamecube to play with at Christmas.

The thing is Nintendo doesn't segregate their fans. To them a GameCube owner might as well own a DS and GBA, and this is precisely why this delay sucks as much as it does. Although I do own A DS and a Cube it should not be assumed or implied that the lack of software on one can be made up by games on the other. Sure you can pacify a infant with a nookie for a second but if a baby is hungry, they're going to want milk. Same on Nintendo for being such a bad parent.
Basically what I.S said is what I feel as well, basically

Well, we have Fire Emblem and Pokemon coming out at a reasonable time for the holidays, not to mention other games I may not be aware of. I think they should be releasing Mario Party 7 and Battalion Wars, if they could, but Zelda seems like a waste for the holidays, especially if it needs improvements, when everyone is going to buy it anyway.
Also, they don't need the Gamecube games to sell too well if the handheld games are selling. All the profits go to the same place, and people aren't going to throw away their Gamecubes because Zelda is a few months late.

Okay kids . . . the bottom line is that Nintendo had to do this. We all know they certainly didn't want to (their holiday season sales will suck and their fiscal year profit forecasts are never going to be met), but I'm sure they discussed it and decided that it had to be done. Now, this means there's nothing on the Cube to counter the X360 launch. Quite frankly I don't think that Zelda would have made a significant difference anyway. People who have the cash and desire to get X360 this year were going to get it regardless of one Zelda title (albeit a very bitchin Zelda title).

At this point, it would be foolish and time consuming to port TP to the Rev . . . it will come out on the Cube even if the Cube is all but dead. This opens up the possibility of TP being released to counter the PS3 launch, which would probably be a smarter choice anyway (Nintendo has said on many occassions that they consider Sony to be their main rival, and the release of the PSP only strenghtned that feeling).

Now, assuming TP and Rev are released around the same time, the backwards compatibility of the Rev could still be used to sell both the hardware and software in huge numbers. The Zelda Oracle games proved this. The Oracle games were for the GBC, and were delayed until basically the GBA launch. Everyone thought that they should have been switched to the GBA because no one figured that they would sell when they were outdated like that. Surprisingly, the games sold pretty well because a lot of people (myself included) bought a GBA and an "outdated" Zelda Oracle game to play on it. Nintendo could certainly try this kind of strategy with the Rev and TP, and use it to advertise and highlight the system's backwards compatibility.

So overall, this is certainly not a good situation for Nintendo to be in, but if they plan the next year or so properly, it could still work out very well. Oh, and in terms of keeping Nintendo fans happy over this holiday season, I think packaging Zelda TP demos with hit Cube games is a great, easily accomplished, and cost-effective idea. Oh, and Nintendo needs to release some major Rev info before the end of the year if they want to keep up exctiement and convince anyone to pass on X360 and PS3 . . . especially since it looks like Rev (despite those constant Nintendo claims from a couple years back) will debut significantly after even the PS3.

(their holiday season sales will suck and their fiscal year profit forecasts are never going to be met),

It just one game they have other games on the ds and other kill apps like mario soccer and nintendogs this is not the end.

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At the end of every generation, there are people who want the old system's final set of games to be moved up to the new system. It's a bad idea, and history has proven that.

Star Fox Adventures - over two years of extra development time, critical thrashing, mediocre sales
Eternal Darkness - over two years of extra development time, pitiful sales

If you want to know how much work is involved in moving a game up to a new system several times more powerful, look at the ordeal of porting Conker to Xbox with nicer graphics. It took Rare about three years. Granted, Rare is slow as hell, but you can still tell that it was no simple matter. I bring up Conker because many people thought it should have been moved from N64 to GameCube. And in the end, it's going to sell about as many copies on Xbox as it did on N64, which is to say, not that many.

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Okay kids . . . the bottom line is that Nintendo had to do this. We all know they certainly didn't want to (their holiday season sales will suck and their fiscal year profit forecasts are never going to be met), but I'm sure they discussed it and decided that it had to be done.

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I'm playing Wind Waker, so right now I personally couldn't care if Twilight Princess ever comes out. I'm quite content. Although I'm certain that'll change once I'm done. Actually, I'm glad TP got delayed, because now I can't get distracted away from Wind Waker by it.


Overall, I think this is going to be a great thing. I'm not a fan of "keep the game in limbo because you can always make it better", but Zelda games have been having a diminished impact lately, so trading some quantity for quality seems like a very good idea right about now. Zelda needs to be awesome.

Twilight Princess launching in line with the Revolution launch? Okay, that's just brilliant. Sure, Nintendo needs to take care of their GameCube owners, but I don't think this dealy is going to kill anyone who wasn't dead already. TP might've moved some GameCubes, or gotten some people to dust them off/dig them out of their closets, but it can still do that after a delay. And moving Revolutions is a much better idea than lost-cause GameCubes.

Combat the Xbox360? Meh. I think the best way to do that is to focus on doing the Revolution right, not by getting into a fight. Remember what happened when Nintendo put Metroid Prime 2 up against Halo 2? I don't think Nintendo should retreat, but they should definitely pick their battles.

TP is going to be like Link's Awakening DX on the GB/GBC. Or the Oracle games on the GBC/GBA. Right in the transition phase. It's an exciting place to be.

The Oracle games had some GBA extras, like the Advance Store and some extra rings. Someone mentioned stuff like bonus costumes and weapons for plaing TP on the Rev? That's a great idea. Provided that the version on the GameCube has a healthly amount of those in the first place. You shouldn't leave a group of people "wanting more" from a game. Fortunately, "giving people what they want in abundance" sounds as if that's TP's entire philosophy. I just hope Nintendo can pull it off, because that's not usually Nintendo's philosophy.

Link's Awakening DX had color on the GBC. So now the question is... what is the Revolution? Does the Revolution have something so awesome that it will make current-generation console games look as out-of-date as if they were black and white? And because of the delay, Twilight Princess will be programmed to be able to take full advantage of it?


I'm officially hyped for the Revolution.

If I can't get everything possible out of my Twilight Princess disc without owning a Revolution, i'm never going to buy another Nintendo product ever. Which is cool because they wouldn't do that.

It's a ridiculous idea, drop it.

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If you read what I said that you conveniantly cut out of your quote there, you'd realise I just said myself the issue didn't exist.

zakkiel: If you didn't notice, I was saying that unlockables and features like online, if you got them only on the Rev, would really anger some people. You're just talking about graphics, but if you read the other posts, we were talking about extra content that would only be available with the Rev, which would surely be a raw deal for a Cube owner who isn't planning on getting a Rev in the near future or at all.

hudsonhawk: I suggest you take up your argument about Jonny's post in the Mailbag Talkback thread.

If I can't get everything possible out of my Twilight Princess disc without owning a Revolution

Well, try an Action Replay, then because there'll always be hidden stuff you can't access, with or without Revolution.

Ssssssssssh, no one's found those sex minigames yet! >=|

Maybe it's they way I have been phrasing my post that may have a few of you good folks confused. Lets try it this way:

I am not suggesting that you somehow "short change" GameCube owners by not maxing out Zelda for the capabilities of the system. NO, not really no. What I am saying is that after you make Zelda:TP as good as you possibly can on the GameCube, you take advantage of "Forwards/Backwards Compatibility " and make the game better on Revolution. Foresight is what I speak of. Texture work has to be so much better on the Rev, as well as more RAM, Wi-Fi and other "options" that are just not possible on the GameCube. And with the basics of the Revolutions architecture being a GameCube it can't be that hard to upgrade.

Case and Point:
The Nintendo 64 had this game called Perfect Dark and if you didn't own the 4meg ram pack you got 40% of the game, and that was on the same system. Now that is what I feel you could have bitched and piss about getting the most out of your hardware.

Why do they put DvD-rom content on movie releases? If you don't have a computer with a DVD drive are you going to be up in arms about such a travesty? I believe the phrase is "you get what you pay for".

Now I must retire from such a lively and spirited debate, for I have just learned the secrect(s) of the Nintendo Revolution™ Controller and I must hibernate my thoughts until Aug. 22 1200p PST. It's a stinking optical mouse, turned up-side inside a clear stationary ball down so your thumb can glide the motions of the screen without the borders of conventional analog control. No mention of any gyroscope but it has a special "blue light" function as well. What? You don't believe me? Have I ever... nevermind. See yall monday.

People wont get piss off if there something small you unlock like a red and blue tunic or small mingame but if it something like you cant finnish the game without a rev than people will be rioting on the steets, burn down houses in anger, fliping car, robbing store, and killing thing.

no one's found those sex minigames yet!

You meant he Lon-Lon milking minigame that VG-Cats mentioned?

but if it something like you cant finnish the game without a rev

This isn't Acclaim we're talking about and even they wouldn't screw up that badly. They won't withhold anything major because that would mean the game is broken but they might make one or two Rev-only dungeons that rely heavily on the Rev's features.

"The Nintendo 64 had this game called Perfect Dark and if you didn't own the 4meg ram pack you got 40% of the game, and that was on the same system."

Yeah but the expansion pack didn't cost $200+. The price makes a huge difference.

"It's a stinking optical mouse, turned up-side inside a clear stationary ball down so your thumb can glide the motions of the screen without the borders of conventional analog control."

This sounds incredibly believable. Not only is it practical but it's a little underwhelming so it fits Nintendo's tradition of grossly over-exaggerating how great their own ideas are.

I like how Ninty "overexaggerates" due to one instance in time where Ninty "overhyped" the water pack in Mario Sunshine, which they didn't...Drop the Sunshine example, it is BLOODY FREAKING OLD!

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Actually Bill I was kinda joking about that. Guess I should have included a smiley face.

Seriously though it's what I would expect. Something neat and innovative but not worthy of the hype. I wouldn't actually be upset if that's the Rev's "interface". I think it would be a good idea and wouldn't screw traditional games up like most of the ideas people have been throwing around.

Oh, well I guess it's my fault as well for being finnicky about it...

As for traditional gameplay, Ninty already has that covered...(As can be seen by the likes of Mario Bros. DS and Mario Kart DS, Ninty hasn't dropped the traditional form of playing games)

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I'm playing Wind Waker, so right now I personally couldn't care if Twilight Princess ever comes out. I'm quite content. Although I'm certain that'll change once I'm done. Actually, I'm glad TP got delayed, because now I can't get distracted away from Wind Waker by it.


Overall, I think this is going to be a great thing. I'm not a fan of "keep the game in limbo because you can always make it better", but Zelda games have been having a diminished impact lately, so trading some quantity for quality seems like a very good idea right about now. Zelda needs to be awesome.

Twilight Princess launching in line with the Revolution launch? Okay, that's just brilliant. Sure, Nintendo needs to take care of their GameCube owners, but I don't think this dealy is going to kill anyone who wasn't dead already. TP might've moved some GameCubes, or gotten some people to dust them off/dig them out of their closets, but it can still do that after a delay. And moving Revolutions is a much better idea than lost-cause GameCubes.

Combat the Xbox360? Meh. I think the best way to do that is to focus on doing the Revolution right, not by getting into a fight. Remember what happened when Nintendo put Metroid Prime 2 up against Halo 2? I don't think Nintendo should retreat, but they should definitely pick their battles.

TP is going to be like Link's Awakening DX on the GB/GBC. Or the Oracle games on the GBC/GBA. Right in the transition phase. It's an exciting place to be.

The Oracle games had some GBA extras, like the Advance Store and some extra rings. Someone mentioned stuff like bonus costumes and weapons for plaing TP on the Rev? That's a great idea. Provided that the version on the GameCube has a healthly amount of those in the first place. You shouldn't leave a group of people "wanting more" from a game. Fortunately, "giving people what they want in abundance" sounds as if that's TP's entire philosophy. I just hope Nintendo can pull it off, because that's not usually Nintendo's philosophy.

Link's Awakening DX had color on the GBC. So now the question is... what is the Revolution? Does the Revolution have something so awesome that it will make current-generation console games look as out-of-date as if they were black and white? And because of the delay, Twilight Princess will be programmed to be able to take full advantage of it?


I'm officially hyped for the Revolution.

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yeah I have a list of more than 20 games which I've bought and not finished, so it's not a huge blow to me. I just think it's a stupid move at this point in the console's life cycle, but if it has to be done to make the game all it should be, then I guess it has to be done.

This was one hellava good time and a great read for those who can remember all the spirited debates the we had many years ago.





Forward Compatibility WTF!

Holy ****, this thread is like bizzarro dimension...

Of course back then I was absolutely sure the game would not get ported to the rev with stupid controls, I never would have imagine nintendo was that much more interested in money than quality and integrity, what a different kind of fanboy I was, something like the Wind Waker situation would have hit me in the head but no, it had to be this decision.

Looking back Twilight Princess did little to nothing for the console success honestly, all it did was pissed of GC owners with a week of delay and of course gave some of us the frustration and uncertainty of what the game would have been if it was an exclusive GC game, but  it went "without failure or glory" (as we say here) for the wii.

this thread just reminded me i never got back my $5 deposit for this game.

I went in asked if the reservation could be transfered to the wii version if it was officially announced, they said yes. The day it was officially announced they said i couldnt do that and i'd have to put another $5 down and they'd consider the GC reservation canceled. I told them to fuck off and walked out. If i handled the situation better i'm sure i would of got the money back... oh well.

My past self was a bit naive in the world of business...and also a bit of a grouch! :tpg:

heres the truth the wii is barely better(if that) then a mouse and keyboard.we'll see when 1:1 controls comes out

I guess this is acceptable thread necromancy, if it was an interesting thread and you point out some of the weird things that were posted in a different era.

Wii is much better suited for living room/couch gaming than a mouse, and is more fun on the immediate physical sense (pseudo gun controller versus a rodent on a desk).