Author Topic: Just beat Wind Waker (Read 15971 times)

Mumei · « **Reply #25 on:** July 14, 2004, 09:42:58 AM »

So you do know they exist

. And the Zelda games aren't good because they are Zelda games. They are good games because of how they play, the puzzles, the dungeons, etc., not because of the name.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #26 on:** July 14, 2004, 09:58:01 AM »

I had a bad experience with the cd-I games, ok? ;__;

But what I meant by "Zelda automatically being good" is not that the name makes it good, but that Zelda will always be good because of it's "mechanics" so to speak... ^_^

Mumei · « **Reply #27 on:** July 14, 2004, 10:37:37 AM »

That comment about mechanics reminds me:

Am I the only one who is happy that the new Zelda might be having an overhead ALttP-esque look when you are doing puzzles and a behind the back view for combat and normal running around? I think the overhead perspective makes some puzzles work better

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Jale · « **Reply #28 on:** July 14, 2004, 10:49:02 AM »

I disagree. The overhead view just means that puzzels are easier to make, rather than creating an elaborate 3D view. I luuuuurved running around in the Earth Temple moving mirrors.

Could be optional though.

Mumei · « **Reply #29 on:** July 14, 2004, 10:59:13 AM »

lurved? O_o

I thought that the puzzles were done better in the overhead perspective. And having that perspective would not mean that puzzles like the one that you mentioned wouldn't work you know.

For a screenshot of what I'm talking about:

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/920769_20040511_screen009.jpg

That was what I meant...

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #30 on:** July 14, 2004, 11:41:34 AM »

"I disagree. The overhead view just means that puzzels are easier to make, rather than creating an elaborate 3D view."

Wot? The best puzzles every concocted for a Zelda game have ALWAYS been top-down based...Block puzzles are a lot more intuitive in the 2d games...So yes, I do like that possibility...

Jale · « **Reply #31 on:** July 14, 2004, 12:01:42 PM »

I like the way shown in that screenshot, I just don't want it going into a 2D puzzle.

Mumei · « **Reply #32 on:** July 14, 2004, 12:11:08 PM »

Okay

. I said ALttP-esque, as in it was kind of an overhead view, but was still obviously a 3D game and a 3D puzzle.

And if you don't like it, Nintendo will probably leave in the camera stick feature

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And hell just froze over: Bill agreed with me

Smashman · « **Reply #33 on:** July 14, 2004, 12:20:43 PM »

I agree with Bill, actually.

If WW had EXACTLY four more dungeons, I would dismiss every other flaw and call the game flawless.

Mumei · « **Reply #34 on:** July 14, 2004, 01:07:04 PM »

I wouldn't. The dungeons would need to be better, it would need to have much less sailing, and I would need for the game to be more difficult... I want to be able to take more damage than 1/2 a heart T_T. I don't need the hand-holding >_>.

evil intentions · « **Reply #35 on:** July 14, 2004, 01:27:30 PM »

None of the Zelda games are hard for me anymore. And not everyone hates sailing. Although I do not have the other Zelda games besides OoT, MM, and WW, I have played parts of them at some of my friend's house. They all seem quite easy to me. Of course, I have not beaten the others or gotten very far...

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #36 on:** July 14, 2004, 01:28:07 PM »

"If WW had EXACTLY four more dungeons, I would dismiss every other flaw and call the game flawless."

Pay attention! >=O

And evil, you need to play LoZ, AoL, and LttP before claiming every Zelda game is easy...Even a Zelda vet such as myself has a hard time with AoL...

evil intentions · « **Reply #37 on:** July 14, 2004, 01:33:15 PM »

Well I have tried them, but I guess you're right. I never got really far in any of them.

Smashman · « **Reply #38 on:** July 14, 2004, 03:20:54 PM »

Mumei- that is I would dismiss all other flaws, if the dungeons were GOOD, of course. Difficulty and possibly the sailing just wouldn't be a problem for me, anymore. I would only mind sailing if it lasted for a very (Note: VERY) long time.

evil intentions- I never said I hated sailing. I am reiterating, but I said SAILING CONTAINS THE ZELDA MAGIC JUST AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T LAST FOR TOO LONG (I'm not yelling at you, just highlighting what I said before). The difficulty was an issue, only because I found MM and OoT to be at least SOMEWHAT difficult in places. WW was ENTIRELY a cakewalk.

Bill- LoZ and AoL were the ONLY extremely difficult Zeldas. The others were all either mildly difficult or easy. Finally, I was only saying I agreed with you on WW would be nearly-flawless if it had several more dungeons,

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #39 on:** July 14, 2004, 04:28:43 PM »

Recall I never said that LoZ or LttP were hard...

I only think AoL is...

Smashman · « **Reply #40 on:** July 14, 2004, 07:10:06 PM »

LoZ was so hard because enemies were (for me) nearly-impossible to avoid, and they always destroyed me before I even got to the next room. AoL was even worse. LttP was only mildly difficult in places, as was OoT and MM.

evil intentions · « **Reply #41 on:** July 14, 2004, 07:34:55 PM »

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Originally posted by: Smashman

evil intentions- I never said I hated sailing. I am reiterating, but I said SAILING CONTAINS THE ZELDA MAGIC JUST AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T LAST FOR TOO LONG (I'm not yelling at you, just highlighting what I said before). The difficulty was an issue, only because I found MM and OoT to be at least SOMEWHAT difficult in places. WW was ENTIRELY a cakewalk.

I didn't think I sounded rude or anything and I did not think that you were yelling at me. You are entitled to your own opinion. I was just saying that I actually enjoyed sailing.

Smashman · « **Reply #42 on:** July 15, 2004, 11:08:00 AM »

I actually hope they add sailing to the next game, along with Epona and even the bunny hood, as a tribute to past Zeldas. Maybe they could add some new mechanics to Epona and the King of Red Lions...

evil intentions · « **Reply #43 on:** July 15, 2004, 01:57:07 PM »

In TWW I was actually thinking that it would have been cool to be able to ride a horse when you went under the water to Hyrule. So that way you could have actually been able to do both and maybe they should have added a few dungeons down there as well.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #44 on:** July 15, 2004, 02:11:33 PM »

1) Where would the horse have come from?

2) It was explained why you didn't go to any dungeons in Hyrule...

Smashman · « **Reply #45 on:** July 15, 2004, 02:14:33 PM »

I actually agree with evil intentions... we should have spent a good chunk of the game underneath the Great Sea in the old Hyrule, and seen the entire world, or something. Heck, maybe we could even do some dungeons down there as well (3 or 4). We could somehow meet up with Epona, and let nostalgia flow in...

Mumei · « **Reply #46 on:** July 15, 2004, 02:42:48 PM »

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Originally posted by: Smashman
I actually hope they add sailing to the next game, along with Epona and even the bunny hood, as a tribute to past Zeldas. Maybe they could add some new mechanics to Epona and the King of Red Lions...

Well they already are adding new mechanics to Epona (although that it hasn't really been confirmed that the horse in the new Zelda is Epona); they are allowing you to fight on horseback, remember?

And having some of those old things would be cool, but I really want new things as well. They said that there would be new items in this one, and I hope they are cooler than the more recent new items. TWW's new items weren't quite as cool as the originals, in my opinion.

Does anyone else want to see the return of some of ALttP's cooler items, such as the Medallions (seeing Bombos in 3D would be great

), the Canes of Byrna and Somaria, the Magic Cape, etc.?

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #47 on:** July 15, 2004, 03:05:44 PM »

Seeing Link wear a cape would indeed be really cool, even if it weren't to make him invisible like it did in LttP...I would also love to see the introduction of a form of Roc's feather into 3d...

Mumei · « **Reply #48 on:** July 15, 2004, 03:09:49 PM »

I would like the option to map your controls completely if you liked (but still have a "default" control setup, and possibly the ability to jump whenever you like. They could keep in the auto-jumping feature, but being able to jump whenever you like would be nice.

evil intentions · « **Reply #49 on:** July 15, 2004, 04:59:35 PM »

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Originally posted by: Bill
1) Where would the horse have come from?
2) It was explained why you didn't go to any dungeons in Hyrule...

1) Who knows...maybe...errm...well I'm just saying it would have been cool.

2) I know why there wasn't any dungeons but I still think that it would have made the game more fun.

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