Author Topic: E3 Thoughts (Read 15634 times)

ResidentEvil88 · « **on:** May 12, 2004, 02:23:35 PM »

What Do you guys think about Nintendo's presentations at E3 so far
I have to say I was blown away by all the sick games coming out!

Shift Key · « **Reply #1 on:** May 12, 2004, 05:31:53 PM »

I thought "Where the hell is Mario 128!" Does that count?

Uncle Rich AiAi · « **Reply #2 on:** May 12, 2004, 06:09:36 PM »

I'm unimpressed.

Michael8983 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 12, 2004, 06:29:28 PM »

I was amazed.
Nintendo had all its bases covered.
The DS looks like the most innovative game system ever and already has an amazing line-up that virtually guarantees it will be a massive success. Best of all, it's still on track for release this year. WOW! But Nintendo made sure not to allow it to get all the attention. There were tons of great GBA and GCN games as well. I don't see how anyone could have been dissapointed. Ok, so Mario 128 was missing but we got like FIVE other Mario games in its place . . . and ZELDA!!!

A few days ago, the horizon looked bleak. There were too few games I was looking forward to and I was mostly just looking forward to them in theory because we knew basically nothing about them and had little to no media. But that's all changed. There are now dozens of games across Nintendo's three platforms I'm dying to play.

MysticGohan24 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 12, 2004, 06:56:35 PM »

I think it rocks!!! Zelda Impresses me greatly.

And there's still time for heh... More secrets to be revealed

Shift Key · « **Reply #5 on:** May 12, 2004, 07:46:38 PM »

There still isn't a game which I have loved to play as much as Mario 64 - tried SMS, got tired of it real quick, maybe I'll try it again ;______;

Sure, all those games coming out look nice, but I have an itch that those games just don't scratch. Yes, I'm aware of how awesome Zelda looks. Yes, I'm aware of the DS shaking up the industry. But no news of the next true Mario game makes me a sad panda.

Uncle Rich AiAi · « **Reply #6 on:** May 12, 2004, 08:18:04 PM »

I thought you were an echidna?

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #7 on:** May 12, 2004, 09:20:45 PM »

It's good that Krystal hasn't been changed too much from her SFA self in the new StarFox. She's still hot.

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HOLY SMOKES I just realized her catsuit's vaguely reminiscent of Joanna Dark's.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #8 on:** May 13, 2004, 05:30:01 AM »

Lots of Reggie fans here, I see.

I'm actually very impressed. I think Nintendo did a much better job of surprising me than last year. I remember last year I felt like I had already seen everything by the time Nintendo's press conference was over. All that was left was to hear impressions of Mario Kart and see a bit more of Metal Gear. This year there were several unexpected games for the existing systems plus all the new games for the DS. I'm still itching for more information on several games, especially Paper Mario 2.

I'm constantly surprised at how much people hate Super Mario Sunshine, even Super Mario 64 fans. I thought it was a very respectable sequel to Super Mario 64. Not perfect, but respectable.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #9 on:** May 13, 2004, 06:52:55 AM »

I haven't been keeping up too well with the industry recently, so suddenly it's all E3, and I'm like cool. Realistic Zelda? I like cel-shaded, but it looks freaking awesome. Metroid Prime 2 looks to be very cool. I still haven't seen much on Star Fox, but it seems to be improving. I haven't checked out the DS, but for the sake of Nintendo I hope it does as well as it sounds like it should. Yet more is yearning to be watched. A lack of Mario doesn't really bother me, though. . . I suppose I'll get excited about it when I actually see something. Everything else they're showing is plenty enough for me right now.

Yes, I am happy.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #10 on:** May 13, 2004, 07:25:57 AM »

Nintendo had the best conference ever even BEFORE Zelda was shown...And they had Reggie...

If you were expecting Mario 128 to be shown, you are one silly, silly person...

*Mario 128 more like Mario REVOLUTION*

yellowfellow · « **Reply #11 on:** May 13, 2004, 07:29:45 AM »

meh. lackluster compared to the Phantom presentation

Ian Sane · « **Reply #12 on:** May 13, 2004, 07:54:19 AM »

I can't think of an E3 showing where Nintendo had more games on display that I absolutely have to play. And of course there's both a new Zelda for the Cube and the GBA thus ensuring that even I go bankrupt there's still two games in the horizon that I would absolutely buy.

However there's one problem: there's too many sequels. Aside from that weird samurai pinball game and Geist, Nintendo isn't showing anything that isn't already established. Sure we're excited about these games but aside from the new Zelda I don't see any of the these games selling to anyone who doesn't already own a Cube. If Nintendo has decided to just target their core fanbase and become a niche developer then this lineup is great but if they think they're going to sell systems to other people with this lineup they're mistaken.

Lately Nintendo has gotten into a real sequel groove and it's scaring me. Remember when we waited five years between Zelda games and eight years between Metroids? Now it's like at every E3 EVERY one of Nintendo's franchise characters is making some sort of appearance. I don't play Nintendo games because of the character on the box. I play Nintendo games because they're amazing and break new ground. If they start going all Mega Man on me I'm not going to keep playing them.

There shouldn't be five Mario games at one show. In fact I don't even think a Mario game should be at every E3. Nintendo's got to cut back on all the spinoffs and blatant money games (like Mario Party) and go back to what they have a reputation for: breaking new ground with each sequel and making innovative new games.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #13 on:** May 13, 2004, 08:02:05 AM »

At least the spinoffs look great...Mario Tennis is a must and Mario Pinball actually looked quite impressive...And because of this, spinoffs don't bother me in the least...(How many years since the last 2d Donkey Kong? =P)

Darc Requiem · « **Reply #14 on:** May 13, 2004, 08:46:59 AM »

As usual I'm in complete agreement with Ian. You really have to stop jacking into my brain man

I too was completely floored by Nintendo's showing. I was unsure about the DS and now I have to own it. The new Zelda is simply amazing. The Spaceworld demo has nothing on what was shown at this E3. I mean the detail on Link's model. I've always wondered what a detailed Link model would look like...now I have my answer. A Wars game for GC, and Fire Emblem for GC....Nintendo seems to have turned an about face and acted quickly on what fans have been clamoring for.

Ian I am also concerned about the sequelitis going on at Nintendo. Thats stated, I think I know what Nintendo is doing. I think Nintendo is trying to sure up its diehard fans before the N5/Revolution launch. Even the most diehard of Nintendo fans have been dismayed as of late and this E3 does a lot towards sowing up that open wound. The DS is a hint at the N5/Revolution which is a good thing. I finally think I see who Nintendo may get around its on-line stance now. Although I think it may be a bit limiting, it could work. N5/Revolution will probably have the Wi-Fi like the DS. If the DS or Developer's System as Nintendo calls it is truly indicative of what Nintendo is believes and is now striving for then, I think Nintendo may be capable of truly knocking Sony's block off. Wow that was long sentence....sorry about that guys. Anyway things are looking up. I hope Nintendo can keep the momentum going.

Darc Requiem

Caterkiller · « **Reply #15 on:** May 13, 2004, 09:22:49 AM »

I have to say that I am so much more impressed with this years presentation then last years. I was completely surprised by Zelda, the DS, screw attack, and even DK's Jungle Beat. Star Fox looks so much more interesting then last year and finally more on Mario tennis. I also saw the presentations of Sony and Microsoft, and just thought to myself... 'That was ok... but wheres the 2 screens, and an amazing surprise on par with Zelda?"

I listened to too much bad mouthing of Nintendo's last E3 presentation on G4, in magazines and so on. With good reason to, but this year all I expect to hear is nothing but praise. Maybe a few things here and there, because there is always someone unsatisfied to the max.

Koopa Troopa · « **Reply #16 on:** May 13, 2004, 10:44:52 AM »

If I died now, I would die happy. Even if I were drawn & quartered

My only complaint is I don't have enough money... I wasn't expecting the DS to be so... amazing. Seriously, I've never been big on handheld gaming (small screens and no backlight are the main reasons.) I purchased about 15 GB/GBA games the same week I bought the GBP, I had no idea what I was missing. Anyway, I digress, the point is I now know I'm going to buy a DS and I can't wait, but that puts a kink in the rest of my plans... I'll figure out a way to get it all, though

I'm still trying to take it all in, to be perfectly honest. So much excitement.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #17 on:** May 13, 2004, 10:51:04 AM »

Sequels sequels... we keep getting sequels because......? People won't stop asking for them.

akdaman1 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 13, 2004, 11:22:56 AM »

Im really sick of all these sequels.

Companys are really desperate and just keep churning out sequels to games that sell good.

I mean

Gamecube
Viewtiful Joe
Viewtiful Joe 2
Viewtiful Joe Revival.

Ps2
Viewtiful Joe
Viewtiful Joe 2

PSP
Viewtiful Joe

DS
Viewtiful Joe

Gamecube
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2

Gameboy
Metroid Fusion
Metroid Zero Mission

DS
Metroid Prime Hunters.

Gamecube
Wind waker
Legend of Zelda
Legend of Zelda the Four Swords

GBA
Link to the Past
...there are more but I forgot them.

You see my point? What hapenned to the time when we had to kill for a game ...raising our anticipation for it. Zelda is the only series which I believe should be allowed to have 2 games per console. NO MORE. TBH Prime 2 looks exactly the same as the first. Its seems very similer to Fusion and really ...I am not hyped for it.

I know many of you love it but its just another sequel. I want to play Prime 2 on the next system. It would be good for Nintendo because they build Major hype for thier games while we get to play originals instead of sequels.

Also Viewtiful Joe is another series which has been ruined. WHY is there another one already? Impressions all seem to say that it is like an upgrade to the first. I say VJ 2 is dissapointment of the show.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #19 on:** May 13, 2004, 11:47:07 AM »

Then show your support for KICK ASS games like DK Jungle Beat.

The Omen · « **Reply #20 on:** May 13, 2004, 12:00:55 PM »

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I know many of you love it but its just another sequel. I want to play Prime 2 on the next system. It would be good for Nintendo because they build Major hype for thier games while we get to play originals instead of sequels.

Also Viewtiful Joe is another series which has been ruined. WHY is there another one already? Impressions all seem to say that it is like an upgrade to the first. I say VJ 2 is dissapointment of the show.

No no no! I don't want to wait the traditional 8 years for another Metroid. Prime was great, and if Echoes equals Prime, I want it. Its not like all sequals are bad games. And VJ2 is an upgraded VJ? Good! That means its another great game, not 'ruined'. Why bitch about sequals when they're good? Stop whining people. If the games turn out to be rubbish, then you have every right to say I told you so, but at least wait until you play them.

TomServo · « **Reply #21 on:** May 13, 2004, 12:15:35 PM »

I like how people complain about Nintendo only showing sequels, as if Sony and Microsoft aren't.

What does the PS2 have? Final Fantasy 12 (12 for god's sake! 3 FF's on one system!), Gran Turismo 4 (2 on one system), Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (that's 3 GTA's on one system), Metal Gear 3 (2 on one system).

What does X-Box have? Halo 2 (sure, it's only the second one, but it's a sequel. And 2 on one system, no less.), Conker (an already existing franchise), Perfect Dark (see previous parenthesis). Is Half Life 2 going to be on the X-Box? And Doom 3.

All Sequels. Just an observation.

On Topic: This E3 is going great so far.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #22 on:** May 13, 2004, 12:24:25 PM »

My rules for sequels are as follows:

One game per series per console. Mario has done this since the SNES (though Yoshi's Island is debatable since it's so different and considered more of a Yoshi game), Metroid used to do this, the Chrono series does this, etc.

There are some exceptions:
1. This rule doesn't include spin-offs which are considered a different entity.
2. An exception is made for simultaneous releases designed to interface with each other (Pokemon, Zelda Oracle games) in which case each pair counts as one sequel. Ports and remakes also are not considered sequels.
3. Sports games do not have to follow this format.
4. A series can have as many sequels as it wants provided the franchise has a definitive end. So the original Phantasy Star is exempt because the series quit after the fourth game.
5. Some series are granted a special priviledge to release several sequels per console. The Legend of Zelda is allowed two per console because of it's high quality. Final Fantasy is permitted three per console because it changes the story, characters, and battle system with every game.
6. A game is allowed a direct sequel on the same console if the preceding game is either brand new or takes the franchise in a new direction (2D to 3D) and is a smashing success. The direct sequel is permitted to cash in on the game's popularity but a third game on the same console is not permitted. So Metroid Prime 2, Vice City, Halo 2, etc are all valid sequels.

The trilogy curse:
Any new series that releases three games on it's debut console will never regain it's previous success. It's just a fact. Donkey Kong Country, Mega Man X, Mortal Kombat, Resident Evil all released a trilogy on their debut console and never really regained their popularity with the fourth title. Mario is currently the only series to recover from this after releasing a trilogy on the NES and maintaining momentum with Super Mario World.

PC game rules:
Since PC games are all on the same "console" the rules are different. Only one expansion pack per game and each game must be released at least three years apart. Blizzard follows this rule perfectly.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #23 on:** May 13, 2004, 12:46:50 PM »

It's hard to come up with completely new franchises when you have so many established ones already- the only reasons other companies have so many new games is because their old ones weren't good enough to follow up on. Final verdict? Quitcherbitchin.

Michael8983 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 13, 2004, 01:11:00 PM »

All that matters is MP2, VJ2, and all these other sequels to great games are sure to be as equally great as their predecessors. And considering how few great games there are these days, wishing them out of existance seems pretty idiotic to me. Sure, it's easy to say that developers could create original titles that would be just as great but that's just not the case. For every Viewtiful Joe - an original title that turned out great and sold well - there are about a dozen PN3's. Most attempts at original titles aren't really original at all anyway. Just look at all the 3D platform games out there that are exactly like SM64 but with some lame, pointless character starring instead. Ironically, most of Nintendo's sequels have more originality in them than the typical "original" game.
Nintendo should certainly make an entirely original game (with original characters) every so often in addition to all the sequels - which it does - especially considering that Nintendo is one of few developers that's actually consistantly successful in getting these original titles to sell and turn them into franchises. Recent examples are Animal Crossing and Pikmin. The reason Nintendo does this so well is it waits until it comes up with a genuinely great idea instead of just creating new characters for the sake of creating new characters and putting them in the same old games.
It also helps that Nintendo's entirely original game are so rare. They get a lot more attention that way (and actually manage to sell) than they would if they were coming out every couple of months.

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