Author Topic: When does it all come together? (Read 7020 times)

Ocarina_Jedi · « **on:** March 07, 2004, 12:54:24 PM »

Lately, I've been playing a lot of OoT. It has brought up a burning question in my mind. For years now, there have been questions about the Zelda timeline. But when WW came out, it was finally said that each of the games featured a different Link. If that's the case, we've got two big questions. The first is still what the order of the timeline is. The second, what is the real connection between all the games? The Oracles, especially. Hopefully, WW2 or maybe the next game will give more info on this, but in the meantime, what are some of the current theories?

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #1 on:** March 07, 2004, 01:00:21 PM »

Nintendo doesn't really care about the overall story, and they're not going to alter the scenario of any Zelda game to fill in any percieved plot holes.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #2 on:** March 07, 2004, 01:09:09 PM »

The only connection between the games is that a hero named Link arises every 1000 years to battle Ganon...

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #3 on:** March 07, 2004, 01:16:07 PM »

Is it 1,000 years? I always thought it was 100 years. I guess that explains some stuff, though.

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #4 on:** March 07, 2004, 04:40:39 PM »

There's no specific amount of time between each new Link. A new Link just comes whenever Ganondorf is threatening Hyrule.

I see the time line as being something like this:

OoT>WW>>LoZ>AoL>ALttP>LA
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MM

Unfortunately I have no real idea where the Oracle games go. They more than likely take place somewhere around ALttP though.

That's the one I go with, but here's another one that's more popular:

OoT>WW>ALttP>LA>LoZ>AoL
\/
MM

The key connections to look for is what's going on with Ganondorf and the Triforce. Using those two things you can connect the series together pretty easy.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #5 on:** March 07, 2004, 04:42:37 PM »

I'm almost certain LttP takes place after WW, Gibdo, with LoZ/AoL taking place last, ignoring the Oracles.

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #6 on:** March 07, 2004, 05:12:34 PM »

Yes, I put up two time lines. One of them is the one you are talking about.

I personally like to put ALttP last because of the games ending. Things like, "But now that Ganon has been destroyed, his Dark World will surely vanish." and "And the Master Sword sleeps again... Forever!" definitely makes it seem like it should be the last game in the series (LA is a sidequest). Check out the ALttP ending at the Video Game Museum. I'm using the GBA version since there were dialog changes and therefore could be considered more accurate. Those lines aren't really any different in the SNES version anyway.

The only real reason people say that ALttP happens before LoZ and AoL is because the back of the ALttP box says it's a prequel. NOA has been proven wrong repeatedly with this kind of stuff though so I really don't trust them. Not to mention that Miyamoto himself has said that ALttP is at the end.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #7 on:** March 07, 2004, 05:23:27 PM »

They say stuff like that at the end of almost every Zelda game, which actually works more towards the case that the games don't link together at all (unless where otherwise noted) and are all alternate timelines in of themselves.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #8 on:** March 07, 2004, 05:28:13 PM »

Oot/MM > WW > LttP/LA > OoS/OoA > LoZ/AoL <---My list

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #9 on:** March 07, 2004, 05:33:41 PM »

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Oot/MM > WW

Oh, so Ocarina of Time is better than Wind Waker, eh Bill? Good to see you finally saw it our way.

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #10 on:** March 07, 2004, 05:36:07 PM »

Give examples please.

OoT makes it clear that Ganondorf is still alive and he'll find some way out of the Sacred Realm. In WW it's pretty obvious that Ganondorf will be back and that Link and Tetra will find a new Hyrule. By the way, this new Hyrule will more than likely become the Hyrule in the games that follow WW. The endings to LoZ and AoL don't exactly say anything other than Link saved Hyrule and is a hero. MM and LA didn't exactly have a lot to do with the main story line. That's why they're side quests after all. The only one that seems to say, "THE END" is ALttP.

theRPGFreak · « **Reply #11 on:** March 08, 2004, 06:58:40 AM »

Quite frankly, I think that Nintendo screwed around with the whole Zelda scenario and just wont admit it. So now they are just goin to continue on with OoT and ignore the rest.

Jale · « **Reply #12 on:** March 08, 2004, 08:38:47 AM »

To begin with there was no timeline. Mario has no timeline and that is fromt he same man at the same time. The Zelda games were just a game. It's only when Zelda became a legend that people started worrying about a timeline. OoT MM and WW are all on a timeline. The others are pre-timeline (or in the case of the oracles which were made by Capcom) and are just fun games.

Draygaia · « **Reply #13 on:** March 08, 2004, 12:30:12 PM »

I don't think it is important. I wouldn't mind if S. Miyamoto came out and said they all take place in different universes. The Zelda games are not made in a way where you can clearly see the connection like RE, Metroid, Donkey Kong Country, Baldur's Gate, etc

Ocarina_Jedi · « **Reply #14 on:** March 08, 2004, 01:23:43 PM »

Yeesh, I wan't trying to start another timeline debate here. What I'm more concerned with is the connections, if any. Like in the story at the begining of WW, they talk about how the Hero of Time left Hyrule and broke up the Triforce of Courage. Where does that happen? Is that when Link goes to Termina? And, again, how about them Oracles? The only thing that those seem to have in common with the rest are characters(Link, Zelda, Impa, Twinrova, Ganon, etc). In LA, Link has gone off to strengthen himself against future threats. Again, when is this?

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #15 on:** March 08, 2004, 01:24:03 PM »

Gibdo: But think about the Oracle Series...The game is about the resurrection of Ganon. Where had he been killed? LttP, which could make for the "The End" line...Ganon really had been killed, but his minions were in the process of resurrecting him in the Oracle series(Not to mention the fact the triforce is in one piece in the Oracle games)

I also believe LoZ/AoL are last because the overworld is basically inhabited and controlled by monsters...It just seems strange to put a game where there are very few residents inbetween games that have a large populace(putting game design aside, of course)...

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #16 on:** March 08, 2004, 05:00:39 PM »

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Originally posted by: Bill
I also believe LoZ/AoL are last because the overworld is basically inhabited and controlled by monsters...It just seems strange to put a game where there are very few residents inbetween games that have a large populace(putting game design aside, of course)...

Hmm, maybe that's because it's the new Hyrule and hadn't been completely settled till ALttP.

By the way, Jale mentioned that OoT/MM/WW are definitely connected to each other. ALttP is definitely connected to OoT as well. In a Japanese interview with the team that made OoT at Ki no ue no Himitsu kichi they explained the connection between OoT and ALttP.

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This time, the story really wasn't an original. We were dealing with the "The Imprisoning War of the Seven Sages" from the SNES edition Zelda. To give that game a little "secret" recognition, I thought that keeping the "pigness" in Ganon would be the correct course. So we made him a beast "with the feeling of a pig."

So you see, OoT's story is based on the Imprisoning War you read about in the ALttP manual.

You can check out a detailed article about the connections between OoT and ALttP at Zeldalegends.net

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Originally posted by: Ocarina_Jedi
Like in the story at the begining of WW, they talk about how the Hero of Time left Hyrule and broke up the Triforce of Courage. Where does that happen? Is that when Link goes to Termina?

Yes.

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Originally posted by: Ocarina_Jedi
And, again, how about them Oracles? The only thing that those seem to have in common with the rest are characters(Link, Zelda, Impa, Twinrova, Ganon, etc).

Honestly, I'm as stumped as you are with the Oracle games. The only connections I can see are the ones you listed.

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Originally posted by: Ocarina_Jedi
In LA, Link has gone off to strengthen himself against future threats. Again, when is this?

Most likely it takes place after ALttP.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #17 on:** March 08, 2004, 07:37:57 PM »

Heh, we really aren't going to get anywhere considering the fact that even Ninty probably doesn't know what the right storyline is... ^_^

"Like in the story at the begining of WW, they talk about how the Hero of Time left Hyrule and broke up the Triforce of Courage. Where does that happen? Is that when Link goes to Termina?"

No, because the Link that leaves is Adult Link...Young Link goes back in time and looks for Navi...However, I don't like all these weird time travel scenarios so whatever...

(all I know is that the statue resurrected in honor of the Hero of Time is Adult Link, not Young Link, the one who travelled to Termina)

And as I said before, the Oracle games most likely come after LttP/LA because the Triforce is together, and Ganon was known to be dead(hence the need to resurrect him)...Of course, something may pop up in future games that contradict this, but I doubt it...

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #18 on:** March 08, 2004, 08:00:16 PM »

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Originally posted by: Bill
No, because the Link that leaves is Adult Link...Young Link goes back in time and looks for Navi...However, I don't like all these weird time travel scenarios so whatever... (all I know is that the statue resurrected in honor of the Hero of Time is Adult Link, not Young Link, the one who travelled to Termina)

Huh? Adult Link and Young Link are the same person just at different ages. At the end of OoT Zelda sends Link back in time just like every time Link put the Master Sword back in the pedestal. He then goes in search of Navi and winds up leaving Hyrule when he goes to Terminia. Obviously no one in Hyrule would no where Link went or that he turned back into a child. They would just remember the Hero of Time that defeated Ganon at the end of OoT.

By the way, the ending of OoT created two time periods. One which could be considered Adult Link's since it follows Ganondorf taking over Hyrule and Link defeating him. This would also be the time period in which WW and all the other Zeldas take place except for MM. The other is Young Link's which is where Link was sent at the end of OoT and where MM takes place.

ExtremeGcube · « **Reply #19 on:** March 19, 2004, 08:49:53 PM »

There is one thing that suggest that there is a commonality to them all and that there is a timeline. This is that we know OOT is the same link as MM. We also know that WW comes years after OOT and the hyrule is under the ocean. We know that OOT is the telling of the imprisonment of Ganon mentioned in LTTP. Now this leaves the two NES games. there really isnt a tie to the first one to any of them but the two NES games are related, and in adition to that there are name connections between AOL and OOT. Primarily the sages and mido's names are used to name the towns. So this is the same lineage that has passed down through the ages. We just dont know for how long.

Jale · « **Reply #20 on:** March 20, 2004, 01:47:05 PM »

Also we must look at place names. In OoT we have Kariko Village (cant remember if thats the right name) but we also have that in LttP. Therefore they must be next to each other in a "timeline". The other games have the "Saria" etc place names so they must be after OoT.

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #21 on:** March 21, 2004, 01:46:30 PM »

Yes, there are lots of connections between the games so it really pisses me off when people try to say otherwise. It just shows that they haven't done any research and don't have any business trying to argue about it in the first place. I also realize that there are plenty of inconsistencies as well, but that doesn't cancel everything else out.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #22 on:** April 10, 2004, 01:42:37 PM »

I just thought of something that almost certainly places Wind Waker after OoT/MM and before LttP/LoZ/Oracles- it has Ganondorf in it. By the time of LttP Ganondorf has been permanently transformed into Ganon and cannot change back whereas before he could change between the two forms at will. It's not conclusive proof, but it's a very strong indication.

Jale · « **Reply #23 on:** April 10, 2004, 02:04:12 PM »

Yeh, I noticed that too. I think that in one of the next few games he will do something that will make him eternally Ganon. Maybe that is the only way he can get out of his current state...

Ocarina_Jedi · « **Reply #24 on:** April 10, 2004, 02:42:53 PM »

That's something that has been bothering me as of late. Since when can Ganondorf change back and forth into Ganon? I was under the impression that when he let the Triforce of Power consume him in OoT, he was permanantly turned into Ganon. Then all of a sudden, WW rolls around and we've got Ganondorf again. In every other game he's been Ganon. Then again I haven't played the two NES Zeldas, so you guys probably know something that I don't, so I'll shut up now.

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