Topic: New Japanese Hardware & Software #s!

[MeddmaWamm]

People have PS2s for the Tales series. The last Tales game sold about 900,000 copies on PS2. That's why I think ToS probably would have sold better if it was on PS2 instead of GC.

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Not really. It maybe would have sold double on PS2, if its lucky, and the PS2 has about 10 times the user base of the GC. Which means more percentage of GC owners would have bought it. This is selling very good for a GC game.

Why should the size of GC's user base matter to Namco? The size of the console's user base is irrelevant.  

[mouse_clicker]

You're kidding, right medmma? Obviously a game can't sell more units than there are consoles. The PS2 user base is HUGE, so even a small percentage of people who own one buy a game, that's still a lot of games sold. The Gamecube has sold very little in comparison, so even it a larger percentage buys the game, it's still sold less copies. 10% of 20 million is still more than 20% of 5 million. Since there's more people that can actually buy the game on the PS2, obviously it would have sold better, and since there's less people with a Gamecube, obviously it would sell less. If the PS2's user base were cut down to the Gamecube's, ToS probably would have sold the same on both. It has everything to do with user base- EVERYTHING.

[MeddmaWamm]

Er, My point was that Namco should not care about the user base size ratio. Namco should care about how many copies they'll sell total.

Namco should not be all "YAY! WE SOLD 400,000 COPIES ON GAMECUBE WHEN WE COULD HAVE SOLD 800,000 ON PS2! OMG IT'S GREAT BECAUSE GAMECUBE HAS A REALLY SMALL USER BASE"

[nolimit19]

this is the most enlightening thing i have read in a while. as long as nintendo just continues to hang in there i am happy. i think we will see more 3rd party support from japanese companies because of M$ trying to get in the business. japanese companies should be worried if they arent already. video games are looking to the west for new ideas. they need to stay on top of their game before its too late. and i think that will help nintendo when it comes to 3rd party support. i just hope the gamecube can gain some momentum going into the next generation so they, along with sony, can stomp out m$ and all these other new consoles trying to get into the game.  

[Round Eye]

I see your poing MeddmaWamm, but TOS appears to be expanding GCs user base.  Its a system seller much in the way GTA was for PS and Halo Xbox.  Nintendo should never look down on any 3rd party developer, because you just never know what game will make an individual buy your system.  I think Nintendo has realized and are trying their hardest to make GC an attractive console to make a game for.

Nintendo could use a few more system sellers, and I think the new and future lineup of games contain at least a couple.  

[CHEN]

Another point is that the PS2's engine can't even handle the amount of effort that Namco has given to ToS.

Great job Namco!

[Gup]

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Originally posted by: CHEN
Another point is that the PS2's engine can't even handle the amount of effort that Namco has given to ToS.

No proof bud.  Well actually there is.  Dark Cloud 2(I hate that game, btw) has the same type of graphics engine and it's on the PS2, so there!!!

[Bill Aurion]

ToS is going to be a great game;  Dark Cloud, on the other hand...ick

[darklink514]

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Originally posted by: MeddmaWamm
People have PS2s for the Tales series. The last Tales game sold about 900,000 copies on PS2. That's why I think ToS probably would have sold better if it was on PS2 instead of GC.

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Not really. It maybe would have sold double on PS2, if its lucky, and the PS2 has about 10 times the user base of the GC. Which means more percentage of GC owners would have bought it. This is selling very good for a GC game.

Why should the size of GC's user base matter to Namco? The size of the console's user base is irrelevant.

Dude, are you on drugs? 200,000 copies of a game is a LOT in one week. In one week they're already 2/5 of they're projected sales figure. By the end of the year I predict Tales will reach around 850,000-1 million.

And why are we arguing about this? Its on Gamecube and we should thank Namco for that!

[Gup]

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Originally posted by: darklink514
Dude, are you on drugs? 200,000 copies of a game is a LOT in one week. In one week they're already 2/5 of they're projected sales figure. By the end of the year I predict Tales will reach around 850,000-1 million.

850k!!!!!!!!  LOL!!!!!!!!  TO A MILLION!!!!!!!!  LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  . . . Sorry.  I see ToS selling at the most 600k, but ofcourse I hope it does better.

[oohhboy]

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You're kidding, right medmma? Obviously a game can't sell more units than there are consoles. The PS2 user base is HUGE, so even a small percentage of people who own one buy a game, that's still a lot of games sold. The Gamecube has sold very little in comparison, so even it a larger percentage buys the game, it's still sold less copies. 10% of 20 million is still more than 20% of 5 million. Since there's more people that can actually buy the game on the PS2, obviously it would have sold better, and since there's less people with a Gamecube, obviously it would sell less. If the PS2's user base were cut down to the Gamecube's, ToS probably would have sold the same on both. It has everything to do with user base- EVERYTHING.

I wouldn't say it was everything. Time Splitters 2 would have been the exception to the rule as it did sell similar numbers across all Sony and Nintendos console giving Nintendo a better tie in ratio thus tarnising your point you are trying to make there.

But your point is fundamentaly flawed. Your esimate is based on the assumption that both user bases have the same taste and have the same information which we all know isn't true.

But it is impossilbe to test how much a game would sell on each console as releasing it multiplatform would skewer the numbers. One would have to visit parralle unverses to prove whether a game could have sold better than X console than Y console.

Althought your initial point of a game never selling more than there are consoles will aways hold true. Not since Atari has anybody else pulled an E.T.

[CHEN]

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Originally posted by: CHEN
Another point is that the PS2's engine can't even handle the amount of effort that Namco has given to ToS.

No proof bud.  Well actually there is.  Dark Cloud 2(I hate that game, btw) has the same type of graphics engine and it's on the PS2, so there!!!

You can't even compare the two games. If you see the two in action you can obviously see differences. BTW The Cube's engine can handle better cel-shaded graphics. I'm no expert at it, so if someone can clarify this, but ToS is much prettier to the eye.

[iTZKooPA]

didnt beat them by much but they beat them
shoutouts to Namco for releasing 2 great game so close together, always loved em but they just never put out enough games

[Mario]

WELL IT WAS GOOD WHILE IT LASTED

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1 Nintendo Game Boy Advance SP  38,800 1,614,300 (42,600)
2 S C E PlayStation 2           29,200 1,982,600 (35,300)
3 Nintendo Game Cube            16,800   503,100 (35,600)
4 Nintendo Game Boy Advance      8,100 1,040,000 (12,100)
5 S C E Playstation                531    54,800 (   960)
6 Microsoft Xbox                   530    73,000 (   650)
7 Wonderswan Crystal               302    29,800 (------)
8 Wonderswan Color                  90    15,200 (------)

[MeddmaWamm]

Darklink might want to take back his prediction of 850,000 to 1 million ^^;;;;

[Hybrid Hunter]

Oh well, at least GCN has finally sold 500k.
Wonder how software is going...

[Bill Aurion]

Newest software #'s

1. Movement Fighter Gundam Encounter Universe - 394,900 Total: 394,900 (PS2)
2. Mario Golf: Familiar Tour - 58,700 -Total: 58,700 (GC)
3. Sword of Mana - 51,800 -Total: 204,900 (GBA)
4. Legend of Stafi 2 - 51,700 -Total: 51,700 (GBA)
5. Tales of Symphonia - 44,900 -Total: 238,400 (GC)
6. Winning Eleven 7 - 41,100 -Total: 941,200 (PS2)
7. Winning Post 6 - 16,000 - Total: 50,000 (PS2)
8. The Baseball 2003 Battle Ballpark Declaration - 15,800 - Total: 15,800 (PS2)
9. Zoids II - 12,500 - Total: 12,500 (GC)
10.Pokémon Pinball Ruby & Sapphire - 11,500 - Total: 181,800 (GBA)

Sales for ToS are slumping, but that's still a large number...

[Fish]

Good lord, WE7 is almost outselling ToS already! Hope ToS reaches that 500,000, or Namco might get mad...

Good to see Legend of Stafi selling well.(It's avarage is 100 in Gamerankings, after amazing 1 review.