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« on: August 11, 2003, 02:17:45 AM »
N5 launch game list, everyone add to what they'd like to see:

*Too Human
*Super Mario Bros. 6
*Pilotwings 3
*Super Monkey Ball 3
*Pikmin 3
*Raven Blade RPG
Punch-Out 3!
Super Smash Bros. 3
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Redemption
Time Splitters 3
Game Zero
Golden Sun

Various 3rd party titles to fill up the void left by Nintendo:

*F1
*NBA
*FIFA
*Rally
*Madden
Disney Stuff
Ridge Racer 7
Tetris Puzzler


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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2003, 02:55:03 AM »
Hahaha. yeah
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2003, 10:36:18 AM »
-Goldeneye Remake
-Tetris Original, packed with 1000 other NES games
-Pokemon RPG
-Mario REALISTIC (Wonder how that would be)
-Luigi's Shack
-Pik(cle)min
-Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Redemption
-Legend of Zelda: Final Fanatasy

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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2003, 11:50:58 AM »
I'm inclined to say Nintendo might actually be better off holding off on a lot of the franchise titles they're known for, as far as launch is concerned.  Right now things like Mario and Zelda, or even Pikmin... they seem to carry a stigma.  Or at least they help perpetuate it, the classic 'kiddieness' stigma for Nintendo, a matter that's been touched on thousands of times across forums everywhere.  This is something they need to shake themselves loose from.  Original solid exclusives like Too Human or a sequel to Eternal Darkness are the sort of heavy hitting gritty titles that should be at the forefront of their next launch. A couple of classic franchises they can sneak in probably include things like Metroid, F-Zero, or Wave Race.  Those are some of their edgier properties, but still generic enough to have that mass appeal they seem to be always talking about.  Aside from the obvious fact they're strong franchise games, they happen to be great tech demos...  games that by their very nature tend to show off a lot of what a machine has under it's hood.  Pilot Wings and any sort of Starwars game out of Factor 5, definitely fit that bill as well.  Any games headlined by the likes of Link, Mario, Luigi, or even Pikmin I think should be put on hold until some time after launch, perhaps until the holiday season immediately following the new consoles launch (assuming it isn't launched in the middle of such a season).  In essence, making Nintendo's launch seem a heck of a lot less colorful to the masses.  A mature or edgier take on  Mario or Link might suffice, but I don't think so, it's probably gotten to a point that the character themselves perpetuate an undesireable stigma (of kiddieness) and of course don't help at all in terms of making things look fresh/new to the mainstream.  I'd venture to guess that to most people, Mario is Mario is Mario, they've seen him a dozen times, and whatever the incarnation it doesn't matter as much anymore.  Could be completely wrong and people are in fact dying to see Mario reborn in a technically splendorous fantastic adventure of a game, but I still think the launch would be better served if such an iteration of a classic franchise were kept up Nintendo's sleeve for some period after launch, long enough to convince people they're looking at a new kind of Nintendo.

Anyway I don't think I can offer up any kind of semi-definitive games list, it's a bit nebulous in my mind.  I agree with a lot of the choices made so far, and the general thrust of the selections.  Any mature-slanted titles mentioned are a plus, and anything on the sports front is as well because there is afterall a huge market for that.  Whatever the list, Nintendo should have something truly special lined up, to the point of making history again in their industry.  No other console, to my knowledge, has ever had a truly satisfying launch line-up... I'd go so far to say they've been at best lack-luster in the past.  Prime opportunity for the big N to break the mold and come out swinging.
 

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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2003, 12:03:53 PM »
"I'm inclined to say Nintendo might actually be better off holding off on a lot of the franchise titles they're known for, as far as launch is concerned. Right now things like Mario and Zelda, or even Pikmin... they seem to carry a stigma."

I agree with you somewhat.  I don't really think the "kiddyness" factor is the main problem but just that to the casual gamer Nintendo's tried and true are becoming stale.  Having the "same old same old" at launch is going to give the impression that Nintendo's next console is no different than it's previous one and thus it isn't worth buying.  Now Mario and Zelda are still required games in the next console's lineup but it has to be some new stuff that the real attraction.  The old stuff should be supporting players while new games should be the leads.  Typically it's the new stuff that really sells systems.  The only time I can for sure say that Mario sold systems was when he offered a completely new game experience ie: Super Mario Bros and Super Mario 64.

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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2003, 12:15:51 PM »
Certainly it isn't the main problem, just part of it.  As I mentioned with the example of a Mario game, the other part of it is simply the lack of 'freshness', another element of the stigma.  I think I failed to mention that I feel like Nintendo should be aggressively striving to redefine themselves and change their image, like just about everyone feels they should do at this point, to varying extremes it seems. Anyway that's why I brought any emphasis to the 'kiddy' factor in this subject.  The point about Mario being a system seller when introducing a new gameplay experience is a good one and very true indeed.  Perhaps I'm being short-sighted somehow, or generally underestimating the minds at Nintendo, but I truly fail to see how Mario could again serve as a vehicle for a truly fresh gameplay experience that's technically impressive (as system selling Mario titles have been relatively speaking), enough so that it could help sell significant amounts of hardware at or near launch.  But that's a different topic I suppose.
 

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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2003, 12:24:10 PM »
I agree with all the EA titles to be released for the fillers as they spread to a wide audience and gives the 'playstation supporters' something to think about before buying their next generation console. I also believe for the big launch titles to maybe include a new style of resident evil game,  a conversion of Advance Wars for it aswell as maybe having a final fantasy game aswell.  I believe conversions of some of the popular gameboy advance titles is a must. While these titles are up on offer nintendo should be sure to show off what the machine can do with teasers for the sequals to all the marios, zeldas etc and maybe having metroid prime 2 (or even 3!?) to be its major sales point for first party titles from the word go.
 
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2003, 12:50:33 PM »
Sort of  a sub-topic here... if you could only pick, say... three sports titles for launch... taking into account the preferences of all three major markets (japan, america, europe)... what would those be?  The developer/publisher isn't really relevant to the question I'm asking, but obviously you can specify that as well.

Oh, and by sports I mean to exclude any kind of racing game, I consider that a genre unto itself.
 

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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2003, 01:00:27 PM »
Definately FIFA soccer first of all thats a must!
Then for the Australian fans they need a rugby league game - there has never been one since ET's Rugby League on the Amiga! Then lastly (im not a big sports game fan) but maybe a horse racing game of some description.  G1 Jockey was pretty good! But if thats a racing game then maybe a all round game like Summer games or california games type simulator - they were the best on the C64!

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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2003, 04:59:40 PM »
There's no need to overwhelm the customer with a lot of great games at launch. Even if Nintendo could have 10 or more 1st/2nd party games ready for launch, they'd be much better off staggering their release schedule so that these games are released over the course of 6 months to a year. As they say, 3 is the magic number, so I believe Nintendo would benefit from having three HUGE killer apps at launch. Something in-house, completely fresh and original (which I can almost promise is coming at launch), the game that has system-seller written all over it, Too Human, and something from a third party...perhaps an RPG. Assuming the in-house game is fairly "light" (but not kiddy...a difficult tightrope to walk), you've pretty much covered all your bases with these three games.

Pokemon is a TERRIBLE idea at launch. As Cell pointed out, Nintendo has to change its image, and since the general gaming public HATES Pokemon, it would be unwise for it to be mentioned at all during the launch period. Bring it out at x-mas so all the kids will ask their parents for Nintendo's console; you've just pushed several million more consoles without alienating the shallow, casual gamer.

As for the rest of their many, many franchises, I think Cell's idea of holding off on them is best. While Zelda could be pulled off with a thoroughly badass Link (though this isn't likely considering WW2's '04 release), most of the other stuff will simply make people think 'teh kiddy.' Nintendo should in no way compromise their integrity by making some lameass GTA ripoff, but they should do their best to trick the customer into thinking they've changed their design philosophy. Nintendo keeps on making quirky stuff like Pikmin, along with a sprinkling of uber-cool games like Metroid and F-Zero, with ED and third parties cranking out the M-rated games that gamers so adore, and the Big N has it locked. Totally. Nintendo doesn't need to change its style; they just need other developers to fill in the gaps.

On the matter of sports games...Madden is a necessity. Everything else pales in comparison. Everything (well, unless you're talking about Japan, in which case Winning Eleven would be the best bet). Get Madden online, as both the PS3 and Xbox2 versions will be, and launch before those consoles, and you've got a very nice share of the market.

In conclusion, this is Nintendo's ideal lineup.

-Too Human (becomes more likely by the day)
-RPG (anything by Square will be 10x more effective)
-original Nintendo game (I know this is coming)
-RE5 (RE4 sales will dictate whether this game is multi-platform or not)
-Soul Calibur 3/Tekken 5/Virtua Fighter 5/SOMETHING (Nintendo's getting comfy with Namco...I wouldn't be surprised if they nabbed Tekken)
-Madden NFL 2006 (pivotal)
-Racer...? (I'm not positive about this one...what's Ninty gonna get to compete with Gran Turismo 5?)
-Wave Race (good tech demo)
-Rogue Squadron 4/Pilotwings (better tech demo)

Follow this up with an x-mas lineup of:

-Pokemon RPG (doesn't matter whether it's online...it'll sell)
-Mario platformer
-Pikmin 3
-AC 2
-whatever the hell else Nintendo wants

Nintendo's hugest advantatge over the competion is the fact that they can actually make games. When you've got a developer powerhouse coupled with a slew of great 2nd and 3rd party stuff, you're going to outclass the competion by a mile. The PS3's probably already won, but I think Nintendo could easily steal back some market share and completely stomp the Xbox 2.  

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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2003, 07:32:58 PM »
I agree with all the points.  I don't think anyone wants an avalanche of first rate killer apps to contend for their cash... well I would but that sort of thing overwhelms and confuses the masses... and each title ends up stepping on one another sales wise and of course Nintendo wouldn't want that.  I think Nomad's list comes remarkably close to what I'd like to see, and therefore I'll go ahead and say it's near perfect hehe.  That said, while I agree they would be doing themselves an unprecedented favor if they had EA release a Madden title for their supposedly earlier launch (especially with online support out of the box), I just cast a great deal of doubt on its feasibility.  No matter which way you look at it, Nintendo is going into the next generation limping, if not financially then image-wise.  To the likes of EA who wield powerful Sports franchises,  the PS3 and perhaps even the Xbox2 have far brighter prospects as of today. The PS3's success at least is a far better gaurantee as things stand right now and that equates to more software sales for them. It would cost them money to have a Madden title on the Gamecube ahead of Sony's launch, and then also meet Sony's launch which I think would be a far greater priority for them for the aforementioned reasons.  The PS2 consumer-base right now is afterall, their bread and butter, as it is for a lot of developers, particularly any involved in making Sports games.  There are of course a few things Nintendo could >try< to do to insure they get EA on board with Madden.  First and foremost throw tons of cash at them, that's always a sound strategy in these sort of situations.  But also, before we the public ever hear of some miraculous change at Nintendo for the better, the developers should not only be hearing about it, they should be seeing it too... and as soon as possible.  With advanced development kits at their doorsteps before anyone else and a new friendlier face in their dealings, as well as an openly more aggressive stance (something EA has publicly ridiculed Nintendo for lacking this generation), then they begin to have a shot at redeeming their worth in the eyes of third party developers and improve their chances of landing such high profile titles.  Also it would help immensely if whatever hardware they do develop, knocks the developers socks right off, but who knows.  There are too many 'if's here, whether or not they'd be able to land Madden as a launch title hinges on one too many variables for me.  

Then there's the matter of content-rich titles like RPGs, specifically those developed by companies close to Nintendo, Too Human being an example.  Nintendo's recent comments suggesting they want to develop shorter simpler games really puts me off.  It scares me into thinking they may want to keep 60+ hour games like those found in the RPG genre out of their launch line-up.  Their logic is lengthy games like those are not only expensive to produce but while a consumer is spending time playing those games, they're not out buying as many of the other shorter-play-time-games they might otherwise purchase in that time.  Too Human's been in development forever and the standing rumor is it's going to be there for launch in the next-gen Nintendo machine, I just hope the recent rational they've expressed doesn't throw a wrench into those prospects.  Yes, it's a paranoid consideration but one nonetheless.  One of many I have in relation to those recent comments, but that's really off topic heh.

Anyway, Nomad's list is essentially my ideal as far as a basic list is concerned, I'd only begrudgingly subtract Madden since I personally feel the need to generate a list in my mind that comes as close as possible to becoming a reality, given what we know today.  But of course I do see Madden coming to the machine around the same time it shows up on the others, if indeed they release after Nintendo's machine in most markets, Nintendo should make sure of it.  So, if Winning Eleven is the game that gets released to all markets and Madden isn't present right at launch, is there another sports title that may help bolster that? And what kind of 'serious' racer (not an f-zero, mario kart, or wave race-type) would be best? F1? Rally?  I'd put my money on getting Namco to turn their Ridge Racer franchise into a legitimate Gran Turismo killer for a launch exclusive, nothing like hot japanese women for mascots to herald an image change heh. Oh, and one last thing, I assume 'online-at-launch' or bust, I won't sniff Nintendo's way if they don't offer me online gaming in some form from the get-go.  If they falter in that regard, they better be ready to make up for it in some way I can't even presently imagine, otherwise they'll hand the competition (who >are< aggressive about online play) an easy opportunity to stomp them at the very start.

       

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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2003, 08:21:37 PM »
why stagger the launch...there is something called sequals.
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2003, 11:34:44 AM »
I think it would be an excellent idea for a Super Smash Brothers game for launch.  

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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2003, 12:01:21 PM »
Pokemon MMO along side NintendoNet.

That's all they would need in my book anyway.  =P
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2003, 04:18:03 PM »
Pale is right, thats the only game that will force me into getting online services and a cable line...

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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2003, 07:24:09 PM »
When you consider Pokemon's target audience (kids) and their amount of disposable income (none), putting Pokemon online isn't the greatest idea (unless it's free).  

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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2003, 09:32:46 PM »
Not to mention what a Pokemon title of any sort at the next launch would do to Nintendo's ailing image.
I don't think it would be positive, great game or not.

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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2003, 11:11:32 PM »
I don't give two shits about their image....

I'm 22, and I want my Pokemon.

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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2003, 10:53:49 AM »
Amen!  Well, actually I'm not a big pokemon fan, not being an RPGer (which pokemon resembles), but I know what you mean.
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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2003, 09:13:04 PM »
Yes that's wonderful, enjoy your Pokemon while you still have it, at least in its current form.  They do much more to turn away the masses in the next-gen, like help perpetuate a largely unpopular image, there won't be much of a Nintendo left to give you any kind of Pokemon fix.

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« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2003, 09:49:26 PM »
Cell, you fail to realize that Nintendo is still making a ton of money because of us hard core fans, and we aren't going anywhere anytime soon.  Look at it this way, they will never be able to compete with the names that Sony and Microsoft have.  Nintendo will always be a silly video game toy, and MS and Sony will be electronics/computer powerhouses.  Most uninformed consumers will go with brand recognition.  Hey look, my tv says sony and it works...so too will that game system.  Hey look, my computer says microsoft when it boots, then the game system must be good.  Thats the way its gonna be...if those people trying to rationalize why nintendo "sucks" can't call it kiddie...they will just find something else to call it.  I bet you, even if nintendo doesn't change its current plans at all, they will STILL be around for years to come selling to people like us in this message board...and in 10-15 years, they will be selling to our children.  Nintendo has a niche that isn't going anywhere....just like Mac and many other really successful companies with relatively small installed user bases.
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« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2003, 11:46:01 PM »
eternal darkness: online - make people insane everywhere!!!
i like it already.
nah, i'm not so into mmorpgs, but cell earlier said nintendo should keep away from franchises at launch - i think that's a good idea.
has anyone else noticed the profound lack of original games on the cube?  and some of the best games have been franchises - metroid, zelda, mario etc.
nintendo need their own rpg like final fantasy or action game like metal gear - something with great gameplay and an awesome storyline that will keep the buzz around the console for long periods of time.
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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2003, 01:36:22 AM »
You probably have a point, they will probably still be around for a good long time, even if they end up in a two-bit market space 10 or 15 years down the line. They're sitting on tons of cash, and can literally afford to allow their market to whittle away until it some day stabilizes, bouyed solely or mostly by those loyal to their particular quality of product. Apple is a good example of a company with a very limited install-base that chugs along, although they're in a market much more tolerant of specialization and have a professional market within that to cater to which is even more stable by nature.  More over, I'm fully aware Nintendo is making hordes of money, and are certainly more profitable with their current products than Microsoft is with theirs, for all their broad appeal.  Hell, what's a bit frustrating in a way as far as I'm concerned, is that they continue to profit at all under their current marketing scheme and overall strategy, albeit no where near the levels they once did as far as set-top consoles are concerned.  And probably no where near the levels it >could< be under only a slightly different approach.  One that would not diminish the hardcore element of their market in the least, and only expand it.  As of today Nintendo has made a series of mistakes with the Gamecube, less severe perhaps than the previous generation, that has needlessly stifled its potential performance.  I don't believe this sort of bs that says Nintendo can not compete against what Sony and Microsoft has or offers, particularly in this generation, and especially when developers themselves have expressed frustration over Nintendo's overly conservative or down right counter-intuitive attitude/approach in certain regards.  

I say that even though I fully believe in the viability of an all gaming platform.  No one is saying Nintendo is poised to take dominance in the market again or at least in the next-generation, because it's fairly clear that's not what they're about at this point, and it would be foolish for them to start throwing around cash to that end, just to bite off more than they could chew.  But if Nintendo ends up with an even smaller install-base next generation, or even the same relatively speaking.. something they obviously would not want... why would you then turn around and do things to exacerbate that possible circumstance as a company? Or why would you fail to do the things that are conceivably within your financial/logistical limits to prevent or reverse it? You wouldn't, you'd do everything in your power to pull back on that proverbial stick and reclaim not just marketshare but mindshare above all else, so that when you tell your investors of your sales expectations, you actually meet them instead of missing them by a large and largely frowned-upon margin.  Nothing about Nintendo's basic policies or philosophies should necessarily hold them back from achieving an extraordinarily solid #2 position which they today lack but could have easily attained. They could've then leveraged that in the generation after to even more profitable ends. The idea that they should continue a strategy that's being wrecked by laws of diminishing returns as evidenced by Gamecubes performance woes, is ludicrous.

Then there's how they keep talking about broadening their audience, having broader appeal, making games easier to pick up. I'm sorry, that does not sound like a company that desires to be relegated into a wholely niche market.  That sounds like a company that wants to reinvigorate the market, bring in fresh blood and more of it than the other guys, expand the market in their own way and not necessarily by hopping on some consumer electronics or personal computing trend. A loyal established audience is not something you simply herd people into, you build upon it and gradually that foundation strengthens. To say that, they should keep on making and marketing purpley consoles with purse-like form factor, is simply ridiculous.  A cool toy is a cool toy is a cool toy, Gameboy still retains a lot of that element in the eyes of the mainstream (SP helped that immensely), and Gamecube hardly had any to begin with as far as I'm concerned.  That Nintendo should favor making something come off more silly than cool just cus their 'hardcore' fans wouldn't mind it or would blindly accept it or whatever the reason, is bs.  It's also bs to continue that miserable plan of action on the basis that 'the others' would just find something else to ridicule, that's far too childish logic on which to drive business decisions, even if it is in a market involving children. The only ones who would do such a thing are the blind 'hardcore' on the other side of the fence anyway, they're the minority, the true masses would not react that way in face of a generally appealing >and< quality product that's competitive.  

Plenty of the 'hardcore' Nintendo fans rabidly defend purple as a great choice for the consoles debut, but that still doesn't change the fact black and even more so platinum marketed many times better and exhibited far superior yield ratios.  That's money in their pocket, with nothing but a tweak to what they originally set out to do.  Was it an affront to the hardcore? No, their appeal to their most loyal fan-base doesn't faulter, only strengthens in the end.  That's really the uber point right there, there is tons Nintendo can do to carve out a sizeable market from themselves, larger than what they currently have, and still more than satisfy their 'hardcore' following.  Why wouldn't I want to see the company that provides me specific games I love succeed to their clearly perceivable potential?  That just means more money for them, probably more games for me, and probably better games to boot.  There is nothing no where that says broader appeal equates to screwing over your fan-base, unless they're elitest bastards who don't want their neighbor to have or enjoy their toy for no real reason.

Finally returning to the subject of the thread, sort of... is it really so hard to wait 2 months out from launch for a Pokemon title? Is it really so difficult to see the benefit to marketing in that small delay and the fundamental justifications behind it?  You'd have plenty of other titles Nintendo is known for released prior under this proposed approach.  I'd personally want more people hooked in by the time a popular/quality albeit kid friendly title rolls around, just to have more people to perhaps talk about it with,  more people to play with or against, or just have the facilitation of dragging those uninitiated into playing since they already have the machine.  This specific approach me and some others have suggested may not be necessarily what does the job, it's just a suggestion based on current information, but the reasoning behind it is sound if not the details of the suggestion itself.  The reasoning is the much larger issue at hand.  I apologize, but why Nintendo should drop everything they reasonably >could< do, easily by almost all accounts, just to satiate a relatively small number of consumers who perhaps just can't see past their own interests, is beyond me.
   

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« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2003, 05:46:19 PM »
cell - you have a lot to say but it's all frighteningly astute - what i think one of nintendo's biggest problems is listening to others, especially gamers like you.  myself i probably have as much to say but am slightly less pro-active in saying it, but all the same, i think it's time to listen to not just the hardcore fans, but the fans who have a slightly less narrow view of things.
they really need to read some of your stuff.
at the moment as you porbably noticed, lan is my biggest whinge - especially when nintendo say things along the lines of bringing people together, increasing installations, and not liking broadband beacuse the players are so far apart.
sigh.
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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2003, 06:43:36 PM »
Thanks vroenis, I apologize for the length of what I wrote, nice to see at least one person managed to plow through it hehe.  I tend to be quite verbose on the subject of what Nintendo 'should' be doing to better their business.  If someone manages to strike upon a particular nerve, as it happens all too often in forums like these, then I can't help but spew 5 paragraphs worth on the matter.  You brought up an excellent point over Nintendo and their want of getting people 'connected', while maintaining a personable atmosphere. So yes, that being said, an emphasis on lan-based gaming seems a logical thing for them to follow through on.  Something that happens to be all the more attractive if the system has healthy market penetration, or in other words, if your neighbors actually have one of the machines as well.  

Personally, I see connectivity in all its forms being an integral component of future gaming experiences.  The more things Nintendo does in that department the more attractive the prospects are for any and all of their games.  They don't need to be copying the likes of Microsoft in anything and everything they do in respect to connectivity, there's plenty of room for innovation.  If there's one advantage to be said of Nintendo's conservative tendencies it's the benefit of seeing the way in which the  competition deals with new products or services first.  At the very least, this allows them to learn from the successes and/or failures without incurring too much risk on their own part.  It's my hope they have enough 'learned' already that the chances of having some basic on-line features present at the next launch for most titles are much better, and could only improve.  But, that's a really optimistic hope, I actually expect far less for fear of disappointment.  Unfortunately, to answer your question, I don't think they'll listen to anyone but themselves, so that much doesn't help.