Topic: Mafia LX: Holiday Murder Mystery Mafia - 2nd Day of Christmas

[Stratos]

After the previous disruption was cleaned up, the party was back in full swing. Music was pounding and the drinks were flowing. Out of the conversations an argument broke out. Khushrenada and Spak-Spang were arguing over who could have killed the girl. People began to point fingers and tempers flared. The growing consensus began to be that Nickmitch had to go. He was keeping to himself off in the corner and did not like talking with anyone. A fight broke out as people disagreed on how he would have to go. The lights flickered out and someone screamed. As the fight subsided and someone pulled out a flashlight Nickmitch, the Townie, was found to be dead on the floor. But that was not the only body discovered. A closet door popped open and Mop it up's lifeless Townie corpse tumbled out with a THUMP. The killer had struck again and Mop it up, the Townie, was their latest victim. The crowd stood in silence at the implications this weighed on them.

Summary
Nickmitch, Townie - Dead by Vote
Mop it up, Townie - Dead by Mafia Hit
Santa gave out one Investigator Kit yesterday.
Khushrenada was the Boozer Investigator for the night.
Player count - Townies: 9 Mafia: 4

[stevey]

I'll rather die than let Khush have another mafia win.

Vote the drunkard Khush

[Spak-Spang]

I don't think Khush is mafia.  I think he made a mistake on Nickmitch.  He warned us, he was unsure about the vote.

[Toruresu]

Khush! This wasn't supposed to happen!

vote khush placeholder vote until I come back home.

[Silenced]

Khush, Spak, lolmonade, Glados, and Toru were all leading that bandwagon.

Let's think about Khush being a possible mafia member: he's always placed on a pedestal, and can use his status up to a few days and send as down all sorts of wrong pathways. This could also incriminate Spak, who has been defending him consistently. Which is too simple to do because of the previously mentioned status.

Let's think Khush is a townie: the mafia can easily benefit off of a wayward Day 1 vote. Then, they can just as easily vote out whoever started it under the evidence that they voted off a townie. This indicates Toru as a mafia member, possibly Stevey, who conveniently showed up today and didn't utter a word yesterday.

I believe Mop was targeted because of their one post, it probably gave them the indication that they are a power role. Thankfully, we didn't lose Santa or any other power role.

[lolmonade]

I don't think Khush is mafia.  I think he made a mistake on Nickmitch.  He warned us, he was unsure about the vote.

I think you're a little quick to defend Khush, and I'm concerned your hasty response to a Khush vote is a means of preventing a comrade mafia going down.  unvote Spak-Spang.

[Khushrenada]

For the record, Santa has contacted me. I was giving an investigation kit. If I wanted to screw things up for the townies, I'd have taken him out last night.

My investigations were on Mop it up and Glad0s. Both were revealed as a townie. Doesn't mean Glad0s is innocent (could be the godfather) but for now, I have little reason to suspect him.

[Silenced]

Going off of my gut feeling for now. Vote Toru

Reasons given in my last post.

[Khushrenada]

I don't think Khush is mafia.  I think he made a mistake on Nickmitch.  He warned us, he was unsure about the vote.

I think you're a little quick to defend Khush, and I'm concerned your hasty response to a Khush vote is a means of preventing a comrade mafia going down.  Vote Spak-Spang.

Not that I need to throw more focus on me or get another vote but that really doesn't make much sense. You're concerned that I'm mafia and since Spak tried to quell the angry villagers out for blood, he might be mafia protecting a mafia buddy. Thus you'll vote for him while everyone else is voting for the other person that you also think is mafia instead of voting for that person also to help get rid of such an obvious mafia member. That makes no sense to me.

Right now, I'm going to stick with where my little evidence and suspicions lead me. There are two people I suspect of being the godfather. Surprisingly, one of them is Pokepal148. Therefore, I will un-vote pokepal148 for now.

[Pixelated Pixies]

*Takes a drink of Bourbon

I've been thinking about what happened yesterday and based on my observations I currently suspect Spak-Spang.

Firstly, Yesterday he voted Nickmitch who we now know to have been an innocent. That in itself isn't suspicious, but the fact that he took the path of least resistance by seconding Khushrenada's vote for Nickmitch suggests to me that he was interested in creating a bandwagon against a Townie who until that point had shown no inclination to deny the claims.

He even tried to cover his tracks by making the vote seem nonchalant, saying "As for a wild guess vote...heck I don't know. Vote:  Nickmitch"

The decision to align his vote with Khushrenada, who from what I hear has played a pivotal role in previous games, suggests to me that he wanted an easy win for day one, but also sought deniability when Nickmitch was inevitably revealed to be innocent. In fact, he has already subtly tried to shift focus from himself by saying "I don't think Khush is mafia.  I think he made a mistake on Nickmitch.  He warned us, he was unsure about the vote." In that one sentence he has tried to remind us all that Nickmitch was Khushrenada's idea, while also seeming to stand up for Khush, therefore hopefully retaining a useful alliance should he need it.

I also suspect Spak-Spang of being a time traveller and believe him to be too dangerous to keep around.

Add your vote to mine Partygoers and if I'm wrong I promise to commit Seppuku over by the punch bowl.

VOTE: SPAK-SPANG

[Khushrenada]

In Spak's defense, (our standing up for each other is probably going to get us killed but so what at this point) it was my idea and I sent him a message asking him to work with me and give me a chance on the vote. I pretty much had to petition for all the votes against Nickmitch that day. So, I am the more guilty party on that vote. And if we were mafia, no way would I let myself and Spak appear so aligned with each like we have been.


I had a feeling things were going to go south on the Nickmitch vote when he never showed up at all and there was no pushback. If it was a mafia member, I would have expected a bit more of an argument against the vote. There was only Glad0s showing up at the end to vote a different way. He changed his vote but I decided to investigate him to be safe. Mop it up's vote was likewise a useless vote telling us nothing so it seemed suspicious. I still hoped I was right about Nickmitch and that maybe the mafia decided it best to let him go and not fight for him to stay hidden but it turns out they didn't have anything to worry about with the vote.

[lolmonade]

I don't think Khush is mafia.  I think he made a mistake on Nickmitch.  He warned us, he was unsure about the vote.

I think you're a little quick to defend Khush, and I'm concerned your hasty response to a Khush vote is a means of preventing a comrade mafia going down.  Vote Spak-Spang.

Not that I need to throw more focus on me or get another vote but that really doesn't make much sense. You're concerned that I'm mafia and since Spak tried to quell the angry villagers out for blood, he might be mafia protecting a mafia buddy. Thus you'll vote for him while everyone else is voting for the other person that you also think is mafia instead of voting for that person also to help get rid of such an obvious mafia member. That makes no sense to me.

Right now, I'm going to stick with where my little evidence and suspicions lead me. There are two people I suspect of being the godfather. Surprisingly, one of them is Pokepal148. Therefore, I will VOTE POKEPAL148 for now.

I don't think it's that irrational.  I think you or Spak are equally plausible to be mafia.  You had two votes against you off the bat, and I want to split the vote a bit (makes the game more interesting if everyone isnt' voting for the same pesron).
 
If Spak is mafia and gets voted off, then I come after you.  If not, then at least we'll better know whose trustworthy in that instance, and people are free to bring their pitchforks towards me or those voting against you two.
 
That said, I think I want to put pressure on more silent players to speak out before I solidify my decision, so they better pipe-up, otherwise, unvote Stogi.

[Silenced]

Gonna go ahead and post this:
Votecount:
Khush = 2(stevey, Toruresu)
Toruresu = 1(Silenced)
Pokepal148 = 1(Khushrenada)
Spak-Spang = 1(Pixelated Pixies)
Stogi = 1(lolmonade)

So far Lucariofan99, Insanolord, and Stogi haven't talked. Interesting considering Lucario is known for being loud.

Stevey didn't appear yesterday but is now in attendance.

I think what is interesting is that as soon as I made my information post, lolmonade and Pixies all followed the Spak route. Would be a perfect way to frame me should a bandwagon go south.

Just some food for thought.

[pokepal148]

Right now, I'm going to stick with where my little evidence and suspicions lead me. There are two people I suspect of being the godfather. Surprisingly, one of them is Pokepal148. Therefore, I will VOTE POKEPAL148 for now.

If I am the godfather I am currently unaware of that, I must be really good at tricking people into thinking I'm a townie if I have been able to fool even myself.

[NWR_insanolord]

Sorry I haven't been a part of this so far, I forgot it was happening and my sleep schedule is poorly aligned for it right now. Doing what I can to readjust. I'll echo Silenced's concerns over Lucariofan and extend them to Pokepal. Players without much experience in these games who get picked to be Mafia can cause a lot of damage because they get overlooked by more seasoned veterans. I'm not necessarily accusing either of them, just throwing that out there.

[Pixelated Pixies]

The case I put forward today was based on thoughts that I had been mulling over yesterday, but I was not confident enough in that case to make it the basis of my voting. Having now Seen people's reactions to yesterday's events, I am now much more confident. My opinion has not been swayed by anybody's comments.

Also, I understand that the rules can't be changed once the game is in motion, but I kind of feel like non-contributors who stay quiet should eventually fall ill and die, at which point their role is revealed. Maybe a 2 -3 day rule for instance. Just a thought.

[NWR_insanolord]

Hey, I've got admin powers, if you want to grease the wheels a bit I can change the rules to say whatever you want them to.

[pokepal148]

I have seen enough, I firmly believe khush is in the mafia (or playing a very risky mindgame). I withdrew my vote yesterday as a means to prevent myself from being targeted by a mafia started bandwagon for a poor voting record like last time but right now I am certain khush is part of the Mafia. No doubt he sees me as an easy target to get rid of via vote due to my being a newer player so he can save his kills for more experienced players who could pose a threat to him. TBH if I were mafia it would be a strategy I would consider.

vote khush

[jrlibrarian]

Insanolord and Silenced make good points, it's too easy to let the new players slide past without much scrutiny. The same thing happened in one of my first games, if I remember correctly, and the mafia was able to get away with their plans for a long time because no one suspected the new guys.


I think for the time being, I'm going to Vote Pokepal.

[NWR_insanolord]

There's a reason Khush is a permanent mod on this subforum, and that's because he's a master of this game. Whether player or host, nobody does it better than him. And going after a relative newbie is usually a good way to raise suspicions, so I'm inclined to believe he has something of a strong case to go against you to this degree this early in the game.

[Stratos]

In response to Pixelated Pixies comment about inactives dying: Some hosts do include inactivity death clauses. I chose not to since there were a lot of 'new' ideas in play. I wanted to see how the activity based investigator role played out with participation without the threat of inactivity hanging over players heads. Besides, there will always be inactive players. I don't recall any game where everyone participated.

[Silenced]

Poke, the way I did the vote count was voteoption = numberofvoutes(playernames)

Seems as though Khush and Poke are on the spot.

Arguing that Khush is mafia here: I've already stated the benefits he could gain off of that due to his status and such, possible Spak partnership as well. I think it's noteworthy that both Spak and Khush were in the top spots in terms of running for the Boozer role. Giving the mafia that sort of power is a huge advantage.

Arguing that Poke is mafia: could be trying to capitalize off of a Day 1 bandwagoning mistake. And who is a bigger threat to the mafia than Khush? Once he starts naming names, he has to be taken out as fast as possible, and with his protection last night he was able to escape death. That paves the way for wrapping together a bandwagon against an experienced player. Possibly a Poke + Toru + Stevey team here, the fourth member I'm unsure of.

[Pixelated Pixies]

Hey, I've got admin powers, if you want to grease the wheels a bit I can change the rules to say whatever you want them to.

The only thing that would have made that statement sound any more slimy would have been had you ended the sentence with the word 'Baby', lol.

[Pixelated Pixies]

In response to Pixelated Pixies comment about inactives dying: Some hosts do include inactivity death clauses. I chose not to since there were a lot of 'new' ideas in play. I wanted to see how the activity based investigator role played out with participation without the threat of inactivity hanging over players heads. Besides, there will always be inactive players. I don't recall any game where everyone participated.

That's fair, I guess.

[Silenced]

I'd appreciate it if some of the accused or other silent people drop by with some opinion. Eventually the town will go crazy and vote out inactive players simply on the grounds that they haven't spoken enough or at all.

[Khushrenada]

Oh man. This thread is jumping now. I love it. Game theory is starting is starting to crop up everywhere.

First thing I need to point out because people keep tripping over this fact. Lucariofan99 has not logged on to this forum since Dec. 8 and Stogi has not logged on since Dec. 9. That is why you have heard nothing from them. They don't even know the game is on or what their role is if they have one. So voting for them because they've been quiet is not a good reason. However, if you want to vote for them just to find out what their role is and remove them from being a possible suspect, fair enough. But don't do it because they are quiet. Something else to keep in mind. Neither of them can be the godfather as they wouldn't have been able to know they have that role and send in hits ahead of time like I once did since there was no game or roles handed out when they last checked in. The godfather is an active player. Lucariofan and Stogi could have a mafia role. Not showing up doesn't eliminate that fact but they are not being suspicious and hiding at the moment.

[Silenced]

We've only got on vote for Stogi. Keeping our options open includes keeping those inactive players in our minds, because they don't necessarily have to be the godfather. Number one suspicions, no, there is only a minimal chance that both of them if any of them have a mafia role.

I've stated the possible team arrangements for this game. I guess it all depends on how far someone wants to push their bandwagon.

[lolmonade]

I voted stogi in hoping he'd answer for himself.  You do reallize these people could look at the forum without being logged-on, right?
 
I'm still not firm on that.  I need to do more homework.

[Pixelated Pixies]

Wait a minute, I just thought of something.

If the Townies are in the majority then we have more people to lose, right? So why don't we all agree to randomly select someone and then everybody has to vote for that person. That way the townies, because they have more people to spare, have a higher percentage chance of winning. Also, anyone who refuses to vote for the randomly selected person would reveal themselves to be in the Mafia, because why else would they refuse if the odds were ultimately in their favour?

I'll even nominate myself to go first.

*Downs another Whiskey

[Khushrenada]

I have seen enough, I firmly believe khush is in the mafia (or playing a very risky mindgame). I withdrew my vote yesterday as a means to prevent myself from being targeted by a mafia started bandwagon for a poor voting record like last time but right now I am certain khush is part of the Mafia. No doubt he sees me as an easy target to get rid of via vote due to my being a newer player so he can save his kills for more experienced players who could pose a threat to him. TBH if I were mafia it would be a strategy I would consider.

vote khush

Thank you for that reply. I'll admit, it was the mindgame part. Not really a mindgame but more just me poking and you and trying to engage you. You were one of a few people I just hadn't made a ruling on yet as to whether you were innocent or guilty which sort of put you in the guilty camp by default. However, nothing in your response gives me a sense of mafia deflection or bluff.

So, with that, I turn to my real target of the day and VOTE STEVEY.

[Spak-Spang]

Wow, I go to bed and I am defending Khush because we shouldn't jump to assumptions.

Now, I wake up and I have to defend myself?

OK, full disclosure when I play Mafia I talk to Khush a lot via PM.  The reason is he was my first mafia friend, and showed me how to play.  I usually trust him because of that.  That is really the only reason I am defending him. 

Now, what I suggest is if people are really worried about Khush being mafia or me being mafia is investigate us.  Santa, don't give hush in investigation power IF he becomes the boozer.  Personally, I think we should let 2 new people be both roles. 

Investigate us, and see that we are who we say we are…then we can move to a townie alliance.

Anyway, I won't be on as much today.  I have 3 classes to teach.  I will not be pursing the boozer role.  Hopefully, I will jump in here before the bell and vote. 

[Khushrenada]

I voted stogi in hoping he'd answer for himself.  You do reallize these people could look at the forum without being logged-on, right?
 
I'm still not firm on that.  I need to do more homework.

Sure one can do that. The game I sent my hits in early, I created a fake account (don't tell the mods) to check in on the forums and communicate with my team without showing up under my normal identity. However, I sent in the hits under my Khushrenada name as that is what I signed up as and I would have to assume the host would only accept hits from that identity. Moreover, I know from Santa that roles weren't given out until the morning the game started.

That implies Stogi knew he was going to get a mafia role ahead of time before the game or that others in the mafia group contacted him outside of the forum to tell him he was mafia and to not log in so that he could stay hidden for whatever reason. I just don't buy that any mafia would be ready, prepared of find that a feasible strategy.

Voting stevey on the other hand is a viable strategy as he always lays low and gives you nothing to work on. Plus, he is the tyoe of player too put a hit on Mop it up especially after she voted him out on the last day of our last game and let the mafia win it. You know, vendetta.

[lolmonade]

I voted stogi in hoping he'd answer for himself.  You do reallize these people could look at the forum without being logged-on, right?
 
I'm still not firm on that.  I need to do more homework.

Sure one can do that. The game I sent my hits in early, I created a fake account (don't tell the mods) to check in on the forums and communicate with my team without showing up under my normal identity. However, I sent in the hits under my Khushrenada name as that is what I signed up as and I would have to assume the host would only accept hits from that identity. Moreover, I know from Santa that roles weren't given out until the morning the game started.

That implies Stogi knew he was going to get a mafia role ahead of time before the game or that others in the mafia group contacted him outside of the forum to tell him he was mafia and to not log in so that he could stay hidden for whatever reason. I just don't buy that any mafia would be ready, prepared of find that a feasible strategy.

Voting stevey on the other hand is a viable strategy as he always lays low and gives you nothing to work on. Plus, he is the tyoe of player too put a hit on Mop it up especially after she voted him out on the last day of our last game and let the mafia win it. You know, vendetta.

This might be a bit of a stretch, but don't people get an email each time a personal message is sent?  I think it would actually be fairly clever to stay offline for a few days prior to make it appear you're inactive, wait to see via email notification if you've received a mafia role, and continuing to appear offline and monitor the thread to see if people target you before you take any activity to defend yourself.


Just thinking out loud, here.

[pokepal148]

Let's see where this leads me vote stevey

[Khushrenada]

Let's see where this leads me vote stevey

To victory!

Current Voting tally:

Stevey - 2 (yay)
Khushrenada - 2 (boo)
Pokepal148 - 1
Spak-Spang - 1
Stogi - 1
Toruresu - 1

It's a real humdinger of a battle today!

[lolmonade]

The day is running dry, and I won't be able to check here later.  I've decided I don't want Khush out yet, and voting Stogi hasn't compelled him to come out of the woodworks.


Vote Stevey.

[Khushrenada]

So, something I was talking to Santa about. If Santa's little helper was willing to come forward and tell me who he is, then we get set up a solid strategy. As long as I get the boozer role, I am protected from the mafia. Therefore, Santa can gift me the doctor kit and I can protect him. We thus shield each other. By knowing Santa's helper, we can gift him an investigation since he is the only townie we can 100% trust. I would have an investigation from boozer role. That should make us a very powerful force to combat the mafia.

And if stevey is mafia, he's going to love the fact that there can be double doctor protection to thwart him like in the past.

[Glad0s]

Geez, this is one hell of a fight today. I have no idea who to vote for.

Someone convince me.

[Khushrenada]

Save me because I make things interesting?

[Toruresu]

Ok, after reading everything, I'm still confused somewhat lol

I'm playing my type of game that I created last game and it's fun.

But really, can we trust you Khush? Can we? You've burned us so many times, because you are indeed mafia god

[Glad0s]

Um...aw dammit I can't decide. I wanted to vote Khush just because he's a smarmy bastard, but he had a good argument to prove that he wasn't in the mafia. And Stevey, well, I can't see any definite reason to suspect him either. Ugh. I might just have to hold out for today.

[Khushrenada]

If you believe I'm not mafia, then I ask you please lend me your vote. I know you don't care for me for whatever reason but our objective is the same and we can still work together.

[Glad0s]

Fine. You seem to know your stuff, anyhow. Vote Stevey.

[jrlibrarian]

It's nice to see this level of participation again.

On a side note, working the dinner shift when you get slammed by Macklemore fans sucks, especially when you're sick.

Vote Stevey

[Spak-Spang]

Finally, got back on.  And it is Stevey vs.  Khush? 

I hate to say this, but I don't really want to vote for either of them.  Talking to Khush, Stevey is definitely Mafia.  But, talk to Stevey and he will say the same. 

What if they are both NOT mafia.  It is possible.  Also, I am nervous Khush could be mafia and building support for himself.  It is unlikely.  Because Khush has been making good sense and strategy. 

[Spak-Spang]

What the heck.

Vote Stevey

[Glad0s]

Yeah but if Khush was Mafia he would have taken advantage of his Investigator status and taken Santa out already. Unless he's lying?...but who knows, honestly.

To quote the great Tommy Wiseau, "You're tearing meh apahrt, Khush!"

[Khushrenada]

I did not hit her! Oh hi Glad0s.

[Glad0s]

Oh by the way, how's your sex life?

[Stratos]

Thread lock! Gotta count.

[Khushrenada]

They betrayed me. They tricked me and I don't care anymore.

[Stratos]

Khush gets investigator.

Night actions can still be submitted or changed until 10pm.

[Stratos]

Vote Tally


Stevey - 6
Khush - 2
Toru - 1
Spak - 1