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Re: Future Mafia Games
« Reply #50 on: February 26, 2009, 06:11:44 PM »
The only one I had a problem with was Maxi's. That was clear "you're doing it wrong, townies!" The Dead shouldn't influence how the living are playing.

Discussion of win conditions and stuff is fine with me, that doesn't really influence the game so much.
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« Reply #51 on: February 26, 2009, 09:16:17 PM »
I agree. It's a hard thing to balance. I didn't always like how some of the comments seemed to urge people to do things a certain way. At the same time, I didn't want to give the impression that they were right but editing or deleting messages. They way I view it is that most dead people often don't know what they are talking about. Look at Stevey urging the death of Spak and Maxi claiming they were some kind of special role. Because of that, I don't think things in the dead thread are taken too seriously. Most people are often out of the loop. That's why I let most messages stand. If the host sort of lets that thread be, it gives the impression that what is being said is a bit irrelavent. Only if there was a clear violation did I feel I would have to take action.

I will say this, last game when I was kidnapped, unlike most people, I said nothing for the most part. I kept silent and I kept my mouth shut. I only posted twice. Once to remind people that I needed saving quickly and the other was my guess as to the role of a person who got voted out that day. Stevey removed that latter post, even though it caused no harm and was just speculation. I did have a complaint with stevey about how he counted his days when he killed me off and after that, I disappeared and just followed the game. If I talked anymore about the game, I did so through pm's so as not to spoil anything. It's just a matter of respecting the people still playing the game.
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Re: Future Mafia Games
« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2009, 06:29:39 AM »
I will say I probably talked too much after I died.  The reason being I gave everyone potential strategies which meant that townies and mafia knew my ideas...which meant they probably knew what the other team was thinking and could counter plan. 

Next time I will not be so loud. 

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Re: Future Mafia Games
« Reply #53 on: March 06, 2009, 10:28:05 PM »
Stevey when are you going to start the new game?

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Re: Future Mafia Games
« Reply #54 on: March 09, 2009, 12:10:50 PM »
Haven't we learned yet not to let Stevey host any more games?  He's not exactly organized.
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Re: Future Mafia Games
« Reply #55 on: March 09, 2009, 07:01:27 PM »
;.;

Fine, MegaMafia 32 delayed indefinitely ...
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Re: Future Mafia Games
« Reply #56 on: March 10, 2009, 12:31:05 AM »
See what you did Vudu. Now we won't get to play.Judging by that name was it a Megaman themed Mafia stevey?

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Re: Future Mafia Games
« Reply #57 on: March 12, 2009, 07:05:18 AM »
;.;

Fine, MegaMafia 32 delayed indefinitely ...

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Re: Future Mafia Games
« Reply #58 on: March 14, 2009, 10:07:53 AM »
I say we give stevey till Monday to respond and get a sign up topic up.If he doesn't than put him at the back of the current list and the person after stevey starts the next game.

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« Reply #59 on: March 14, 2009, 11:05:46 AM »
Just skip the 32-bit mafia and go on to 33 if you really want a next game soon. Sorry but, I'm really busy now stocking / hunting a bunch of people down right now....
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Re: Future Mafia Games
« Reply #60 on: March 14, 2009, 11:33:57 AM »
When exactly would you be able to get sign ups started? When would be best for you?

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Re: Future Mafia Games
« Reply #61 on: March 16, 2009, 08:24:40 PM »
I am actually busy with school as well.  Bummer.


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Re: Future Mafia Games
« Reply #62 on: March 16, 2009, 08:37:56 PM »
So Drew MG is next with Supah Mafia Bros. Are you ready Drew?

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« Reply #63 on: March 17, 2009, 05:27:43 AM »
Well I'd assumed mine was a few months off, but I guess I could give it a shot.  Give me a few days to hammer out some details, and I'll see what I can pull off.
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« Reply #64 on: March 17, 2009, 07:16:41 AM »
Alright. Great! Can't wait.

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« Reply #65 on: March 17, 2009, 08:55:57 AM »
I just spent an hour or so laying out the roles, and I like what I have so far.  Hopefully I can post a signup thread by the end of the week.  This is my first game hosting, and only the fourth game I've been involved with, so I have no idea if my game will be properly balanced or not.
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« Reply #66 on: March 17, 2009, 09:26:10 AM »
Don't rush it :)
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« Reply #67 on: March 17, 2009, 10:17:31 AM »
Okay, I'd like some feedback from the mafia community.

I've stumbled across a role that I really like, that according to Khush, hasn't really been done here yet. 

It's called the Jekyll & Hyde role.  The idea is that Jekyll is a townie, with the same powers of the doctor, and Hyde is mafia.   If one dies, both of them die.  The website I found it on, however, doesn't really give win conditions for J&H, other than to say "in time, they will turn on their respective teams and work together."

So, mafia veterans, what do you think are good win conditions for this role?  Personally, I'm thinking that J&H should only win together, never separately, which means that mafia can't win until they find out who Hyde is, and Hyde doesn't win with the rest of the mafia.

Thoughts?
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« Reply #68 on: March 17, 2009, 10:33:03 AM »
That is a interesting role. I'm going to guess that Jekyll can protect Hyde but not himself. If that is the case than you just got to kill Jekyll.Unless the real docter is protecting Jekyll which I doubt would happen.
I assume that they know each other at the start?

I don't think they should win seperatly. This role I think would be difficult to win with much like the bomber.

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« Reply #69 on: March 17, 2009, 11:14:08 AM »
I've stumbled across a role that I really like, that according to Khush, hasn't really been done here yet.

I could have sworn we've had this role before.  Isn't it just a standard brother/sister role except one is on the mafia side?  I was on the brother/sister team during Spak's Alpha/Beta mafia and I gotta say it's a really hard role to win with because you have double exposure to all types of death.

If you choose to use it you should give some special benefits to the pair.  Jekyll being a doctor is a nice touch.  Maybe Hyde should be a killer?  Except only one can perform an action on any given night, so it's up to them to decide whether they want to protect one (but not both) of them or kill someone else.  I like this idea.
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« Reply #70 on: March 17, 2009, 11:27:17 AM »
I've been thinking about Jekyll & Hyde...

Hmm... what's to stop the Brother from giving away the mafia members' roles? I don't mean going into the daily thread and being all, "HEY, (blah), (blah2), and (blah3) are mafia! Take 'em out!" but more subtle, like infiltrating the townie alliance and starting up suspicions about people you know to be mafia members...

And I assume Hyde will be a member of the mafia, but if there are only two mafia members left, of course the non-Hyde fellow is going to know who Hyde is... so...

Well, maybe it could work... I guess it's a balancing act for those two. Maintain the levels/power between mafia and townie as long as possible, then strike when the time is right...
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« Reply #71 on: March 17, 2009, 11:35:48 AM »
Nothing is stopping Hyde from ratting out his fellow mafia mates.  In fact, it's probably encouraged since he can only win by killing everyone else.  However, he wouldn't want to do it too soon because A) he needs them to kill off the townies and B) as you said, once he gets down to just one other mafia member, they'll know who he is.

If you can remember all the way back to Mafia II, I had to do something very similar.  It was a two-mafia game, and I had the role of The Rat, which was a henchman who was on both mafias.  I didn't win, but I like to think I came close (damn you BlackNMild & MysticGohan!!).  When it got down to just me and Wandering on one of the mafias, he became quite difficult to deal with because he refused to play ball.  But there wasn't a whole lot he could do without giving himself away (same with me) so we just agreed to try to kill each other quietly for a couple days until he eventually died (or maybe I killed him; I can't remember).
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« Reply #72 on: March 17, 2009, 11:38:19 AM »
Hmm I'm going to guess that Hyde doesn't know who the mafia is.The host could give Hyde a fake list. Maybe one true mafia member is known to hyde. A few others are townies.If Hyde points out a mafia player right away that will give him away.

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« Reply #73 on: March 17, 2009, 11:50:39 AM »
If Hyde doesn't know who the mafia is, then he's not really a rat in the mafia, he's a true third faction.  I wanted the "third faction" to be able to infiltrate the mafia, but have a huge glaring weakness (one dies, both die).

And yeah, vudu is right that we have had it before.  I asked Khush and he did mention the Brother/Sister thing from Mafia XX.  What I'm proposing is a bit different, so I didn't mention it, but not that different.

It's true that Hyde could rat out the rest of the mafia, and Jekyll could spread that info to the townies.  Would Jekyll want to do so?  Would it serve his purposes to get the rest of the mafia eliminated quickly?   Maybe yes, but Jekyll would also be pretty suspect himself if he just comes forward with all of the mafia members.  The townies can't win with Jekyll/Hyde still alive, and the mafia can't either.  Jekyll would learn who the mafia is via Hyde, and he would have to decide when is the appropriate time to act with that information.

But yes, this does open up a lot of doors, and I'm not quite sure exactly how much it throws the game out of balance.   That's why I wanted some suggestions from you guys.

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« Reply #74 on: March 17, 2009, 11:52:02 AM »
A mafia member who doesn't know who the other mafia members are?  That ... doesn't work.
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