Author Topic: Not to be an open source tool.... (Read 24073 times)

animecyberrat · « **Reply #25 on:** June 18, 2008, 11:28:15 PM »

It is not about not doing research, it is more or less seeing through the hype. I mean for me if I see millions of people jump at something I immediately wonder why. I like to know what people have to say, not websites, not tv, people.

My biggest worry is the add-ons I have not working, but that goes back to research so yeah I'll have to check into it. I am all for improvements but sometimes what one thinks is progress another sees as a hindrance.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #26 on:** June 19, 2008, 12:00:00 AM »

I just installed Firefox 3, I had installed a beta version, and it kind of screwed things up with 2.0x, this new install fixed said problems. Anyway, I like it, though not the way the URL bar works by default. You can make it more like the oldschool version, by going into about:config and changing browser.urlbar.matchOnlyTyped from false to true. You still get the icons, webpage, and even the descriptions, but it only lists sites that you've typed in yourself, as opposed to just about anything you've looked at online, which is the default setting. Great for hiding porn sites.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #27 on:** June 19, 2008, 12:03:08 AM »

I don't look at porn sites anyways so that won't be a problem.

Last questions, if I install it and don't like it, will it erase my current version or will it still be possible to go back?

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #28 on:** June 19, 2008, 12:05:43 AM »

I don't think it will overwrite your current install, at least the beta didn't...and of course even if it did, you could just reinstall 2.0x.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #29 on:** June 19, 2008, 12:12:45 PM »

So I decided that since I fear change I will have to hold off until I can muster up the guts to take the plunge.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #30 on:** June 19, 2008, 02:39:50 PM »

It's just a web browser, dude. It takes you to the same internet, with your same favorites and extensions (provided they work on 3.0). If you don't look at porn, then I think you may want to reconsider using the internet.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #31 on:** June 19, 2008, 04:41:45 PM »

ha, ha. No seriously I have tried other browsers, Opera, Netscape, Safari, IE, so far Firefox is the best out of them all that I have tried. Even being told by every person I knew it took me months to break down and go a head and download it. I just don't like change, I move to damn much I try and keep what little things I can the same for as long as possible.

RABicle · « **Reply #32 on:** June 20, 2008, 05:42:42 AM »

This **** doesn't even pass the Acid3 test! What the **** Firefox? Safari 4 is gunna destroy this ****.

oohhboy · « **Reply #33 on:** June 20, 2008, 07:22:43 AM »

I must be a real tool since I don't use any of the above browsers. I run a Mac and I use something called Camino. It is high speed low drag kind of browser. It isn't quite as fully featured as most other browsers out there, but runs fast, real fast. Even faster if you grab the optimized version for your processor. It has all the important things like spell check, ad/flash blocking, tab browsing.

Although it's handling of movies has something left to be desired.

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #34 on:** June 20, 2008, 07:40:00 AM »

Hell yeah, Camino is great on the Mac.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #35 on:** June 20, 2008, 12:44:09 PM »

I have a question, you know how you can do a "Virtual PC" install on your computer and run a different version of windows without installing it or replacing what you have. Can you do the same with MAC OS? I have a MAC boot cd and installed it on a friends computer and it was something I'd like to get more familiar with but I don't want to ruin my computer and don't feel like swapping my HD's and I heard you can do a dual boot but I haven't figured out how to do that successfully yet. I'd also like to try this Red Hat Linux I have but am reluctant for the same reasons.

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #36 on:** June 20, 2008, 03:51:43 PM »

Rat: No, you can't do that, at least anywhere near easily.

Camino is based on Mozilla, the same thing Firefox is, but much more optimized for the Mac.

RAB: Safari passing the Acid3 test is great in theory but it won't really matter until most web sites are programmed to standards instead of for IE. Just for the record I love my Mac, and I would gladly use Safari if I could bring my extensions with me.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #37 on:** June 20, 2008, 05:04:16 PM »

that sucks. I was never good at doing dual boot either so I guess I am stuck looking for a spare PC to try Mac and/or Linux on.

Shift Key · « **Reply #38 on:** June 20, 2008, 08:25:25 PM »

Quote from: animecyberrat on June 20, 2008, 12:44:09 PM

I have a question, you know how you can do a "Virtual PC" install on your computer and run a different version of windows without installing it or replacing what you have. Can you do the same with MAC OS? I have a MAC boot cd and installed it on a friends computer and it was something I'd like to get more familiar with but I don't want to ruin my computer and don't feel like swapping my HD's and I heard you can do a dual boot but I haven't figured out how to do that successfully yet. I'd also like to try this Red Hat Linux I have but am reluctant for the same reasons.

Virtual PC is available if you want to try out a different operating system within Windows (XP or Vista). It needs resources of its own (I'd say a couple of gigs of hard drive space and 1GB RAM minimum to run both without significant slowdown issues) but is completely self-contained in a couple of files - no swapping out of hard drives and no rebooting. Just open up the virtual drive file from Virtual PC and the virtualised OS boots up.

I've got a couple of Windows images to use for testing in IE6 and IE8, and I'm trying out a virtualised XP image within Windows Server 2008 to minimise installed apps. Linux does work with it, but unless the distribution supports the right device drivers out-of-the-box it is a pain to configure. OpenSUSE works fine.

Quote from: insanolord on June 20, 2008, 03:51:43 PM

RAB: Safari passing the Acid3 test is great in theory but it won't really matter until most web sites are programmed to standards instead of for IE. Just for the record I love my Mac, and I would gladly use Safari if I could bring my extensions with me.

Maybe Safari on the Mac is better, but on Windows its been pretty average for me. It doesn't fit in with the other apps (except for iTunes, but that's for another rant), the fonts used for the UI are ugly, and it has some strange quirks that make me mash the keyboard in fury.

Ctrl + { to go to the next tab? Who the **** thought that would be logical? Is that the same on the Mac version? How is that better than Ctrl + Tab?

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #39 on:** June 20, 2008, 08:38:04 PM »

SeaMonkey shout-out.

wandering · « **Reply #40 on:** June 20, 2008, 09:29:43 PM »

Quote from: animecyberrat on June 20, 2008, 12:44:09 PM

I have a question, you know how you can do a "Virtual PC" install on your computer and run a different version of windows without installing it or replacing what you have. Can you do the same with MAC OS? I have a MAC boot cd and installed it on a friends computer and it was something I'd like to get more familiar with but I don't want to ruin my computer and don't feel like swapping my HD's and I heard you can do a dual boot but I haven't figured out how to do that successfully yet. I'd also like to try this Red Hat Linux I have but am reluctant for the same reasons.

Ubuntu Linux has a thing called Wubi. You download it, install it just like any other Windows application, and presto! when you start up your computer you are given the option of booting into Windows or Linux.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #41 on:** June 20, 2008, 09:46:33 PM »

The copy I have is Red Hat Fedora Core 2, that is as much as I know about it.

Shift Key · « **Reply #42 on:** June 20, 2008, 10:43:28 PM »

Quote from: animecyberrat on June 20, 2008, 09:46:33 PM

The copy I have is Red Hat Fedora Core 2, that is as much as I know about it.

When you get around to playing with it, go to http://www.fedoraproject.org/ and download Fedora Core 9. Its woefully out of date, and is easier to do that then update it after it is installed.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #43 on:** June 20, 2008, 10:46:07 PM »

Is it free?

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #44 on:** June 20, 2008, 11:11:23 PM »

Quote from: Shift Key on June 20, 2008, 08:25:25 PM

Quote from: insanolord on June 20, 2008, 03:51:43 PM
RAB: Safari passing the Acid3 test is great in theory but it won't really matter until most web sites are programmed to standards instead of for IE. Just for the record I love my Mac, and I would gladly use Safari if I could bring my extensions with me.

Maybe Safari on the Mac is better, but on Windows its been pretty average for me. It doesn't fit in with the other apps (except for iTunes, but that's for another rant), the fonts used for the UI are ugly, and it has some strange quirks that make me mash the keyboard in fury.

Ctrl + { to go to the next tab? Who the **** thought that would be logical? Is that the same on the Mac version? How is that better than Ctrl + Tab?

I looked and I can't find any keyboard shortcut in the Mac version of Safari to do that. I bet I know why it's not Ctrl-Tab, though. I would guess they took all the Mac shortcuts which nearly all use the Command (Apple) key, and changed them to work with the Control key. On a Mac Command-Tab is a system-wide shortcut key used for the Application Switcher, so it wouldn't be used in Safari.

From what I've heard about Apple's programs for Windows they seem to have the same problems that Microsoft's programs for Mac do. When making Mac apps Microsoft tries to build a Windows app in OS X, ignoring the design conventions of the Mac platform, and also make it plainly clear that they don't know much about making Mac apps, and it sounds like Apple does the reverse.

There are only 3 apps that Apple makes for Windows, and they're all necessities. QuickTime is there to get web developers to use the plugin, iTunes is there because Apple wants to sell songs and make it easy for Windows users to hook up iPods, and Safari's there to give people making web apps for the iPhone/iPod Touch a way to test them.

Shift Key · « **Reply #45 on:** June 20, 2008, 11:22:09 PM »

Quote from: insanolord on June 20, 2008, 11:11:23 PM

From what I've heard about Apple's programs for Windows they seem to have the same problems that Microsoft's programs for Mac do.

Fair call. How does Office 2008 for Mac fit in, if you've seen it in action?

I'm just perplexed by the choice of shortcut for changing tabs. "{" just seems like a bizarre choice. Why not a key closer to Ctrl? Why not a more recognizable key, like a letter?

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There are only 3 apps that Apple makes for Windows, and they're all necessities. QuickTime is there to get web developers to use the plugin, iTunes is there because Apple wants to sell songs and make it easy for Windows users to hook up iPods, and Safari's there to give people making web apps for the iPhone/iPod Touch a way to test them.

Quicktime - its been superseded by Flash for online video. Can't remember the last time I installed it on a computer of mine. If I come across a site that requires it, I ignore it.
iTunes - I don't buy songs online. I don't have an iPod.
Safari - about the iPhone/iPod Touch testing - how good is it? I'm curious because it would work fine for rendering content (same rendering engine), but what about the testing the touchscreen and multi-touch stuff? Anything in the pipeline.

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Quote from: animecyberrat on June 20, 2008, 10:46:07 PM