Topic: Prediction: MGS: TS port for Wii

[Smash_Brother]

After today's SSBB update, I'm convinced.

The fact that they hired David Hayter to do all this dialogue, as well as the voice cast who did the colonel and Mei Ling, says to me that they're planning on a Wii port of Twin Snakes.

As Capcom demonstrated, ports can do quite well if done properly, with the RE4 Wii port having sold 750k copies and this is the 4th system it's been on.

So yeah, the fact that they're using the characters from Twin Snakes (and the same voices) says to me that this will be used to advertise TS for the Wii.

God knows, you couldn't pay for better advertising than this.

[Mashiro]

That'd be great! And if it sells really well we could get an on-rails MGS game. Can't wait.

[KDR_11k]

I think I'd buy it, just to seewhat all the fuss is about.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

TS needs some serious fixing.

Not buying it, cuz the only big addition it'd have would be 3rd person aiming that was "revolutionized" in MGS4.

And overall the game is an elaborate joke.

[Caliban]

I would rather have a remake of MGS 2 and 3 for the Wii, I already played TS.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Caliban
I would rather have a remake of MGS 2 and 3 for the Wii, I already played TS.

Likewise on both counts, but it's a pretty safe bet that the remainder of the Wii's userbase didn't.

Iwata mentioned something along the lines of bringing back "forgotten" GC games and updating them for the Wii. TS definitely falls under that heading and could be the doorway for more MGS games on the Wii.

[Ian Sane]

I think a remake of Twin Snakes would be a big f*cking waste of time.  Hell Twin Snakes period was barely necessary.  If I had Metal Gear Solid on the Playstation I probably wouldn't have bought it.  It doesn't update the game quite as drastically as the Cube version of Resident Evil or Metroid: Zero Mission where the remake is pretty much a new game.

And what reason is there for the game to even use the remote?  Resident Evil 4 requires a lot of aiming so having a more precise aiming controller kind of makes sense.  But Twin Snakes doesn't seem to require that.  Hell Twilight Princess didn't even need the remote.  They just put it on the Wii so the launch lineup didn't suck balls and Zelda wasn't "wasted" on a console with no future (thanks to Nintendo abandoning it).

I don't think having David Hayter is SSB Brawl is any indication that they're doing this.  Hayter is voicing Snake in SSB because they're making the game right.  SSB has a lot of attention to detail and all the other characters will have the proper voice actor.

Now maybe they are making a Twin Snakes remake (which is a remake of a remake; just think how stupid that sounds when you read it) but it isn't because the game needs it.  It will exist because enhanced ports of last-gen games take less effort and money to make and for some dumb reason that kind of horsesh!t sells on the Wii so third parties jump on that.  The reason for such a remake is "Wii owners are idiots who buy last gen ports" and nothing more.  Nintendo gamers have changed from the image of elitists who only buy the best games to gullible marks who buy ANYTHING.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Konami will continue giving the Wii low budget, simple games. I can just imagine the advertisement for MGS4 "Remember that game on the OTHER console, that gave you a taste of Snake, well play him in the REAL game. Coming to a PS3 near you"

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane Now maybe they are making a Twin Snakes remake (which is a remake of a remake; just think how stupid that sounds when you read it) but it isn't because the game needs it.  It will exist because enhanced ports of last-gen games take less effort and money to make and for some dumb reason that kind of horsesh!t sells on the Wii so third parties jump on that.  The reason for such a remake is "Wii owners are idiots who buy last gen ports" and nothing more.  Nintendo gamers have changed from the image of elitists who only buy the best games to gullible marks who buy ANYTHING.

I loved Twin Snakes. The game was funny, irreverent, but still managed to take itself seriously and speak against nuclear war. I enjoyed it far more than I enjoy most Nintendo games.

But the game got a raw deal because it went through on the GC and the GC had a habit of crushing M franchises into the dirt. Frankly, I'd like to see it on the Wii not because of the controls (though they would help with the first-person aiming) but because it would give the game a second chance AND pave the way for future MGS titles on the Wii.

If you don't like it, don't buy it, but if this serves as the gateway to getting more MGS games onto the Wii, I don't see how that can be a bad thing.  

[Mashiro]

More like "Remember that game on the Wii that let you play as snake? Now play as Super old snake! ehh? ehhhhhhh?"

Seriously though, I can't see SSBB being an advertisement for MGS4. If you aren't already a fan of the series and/or own a PS3 I doubt many people will be buying a PS3 just to play him "in the real game".

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Mashiro
More like "Remember that game on the Wii that let you play as snake? Now play as Super old snake! ehh? ehhhhhhh?"

Seriously though, I can't see SSBB being an advertisement for MGS4. If you aren't already a fan of the series and/or own a PS3 I doubt many people will be buying a PS3 just to play him "in the real game".

You'll all see soon enough! Don't doubt the evil that is Konami.

[Ian Sane]

"If you don't like it, don't buy it, but if this serves as the gateway to getting more MGS games onto the Wii, I don't see how that can be a bad thing."

I think it serves more as a gateway to getting even more last-gen ports.  I bought a Wii to play new games.  I already have a Gamecube and the Wii already plays Gamecube games.  And if I want to play PS2 games I'll buy a PS2.  They're cheaper and then I get access to all PS2 games and not just the ones that get ported.

I did actually really like Twin Snakes but I hadn't played MGS before.  Odds are I'm impressed by the core elements of the original game.  Every comparison I've seen online between the two versions sums up the differences like this:

1. Extra moves from MGS2 are added which ends up making the game easier since the original game layout was designed to be completable without them.

2.  New direction of the cutscenes which are all full of laughably stupid Matrix crap.

3.  Better graphics.

Sounds like I probably would have preferred the Playstation version except for the inferior graphics.  Doesn't matter because it's clear that MGS is awesome regardless of a few differences in presentation.  Odds are a Wii version would also be awesome because the game is so cool.  But it would just encourage even more of the last-gen portamania we've been seeing.  I want new games and we're not getting them because the third parties think we're suckers.  I don't care about re-releases provided we get NEW STUFF.  If Konami gives us Metal Gear Solid 4 or a brand new exclusive Metal Gear that actually plays like Metal Gear then they can re-release all the old MGS stuff they want.

And Twin Snakes isn't some overlooked title that deserves it's due.  It's Metal Gear Solid which is a hugely popular game.  And Konami killed it on day one by annoucing MGS3 at the same show demonstrating that the real Metal Gear Solid games were on the PS2.

[Adrock]

What would be the point in porting Twin Snakes? To make it even easier with Wii remote aiming? I wouldn't drop any amount of money for that..... If they completely redesigned Shadow Moses like they should have done in the first place, that'd be a different story and even then, I'd still feel cheated because I paid $50 for Twin Snakes in 2004.

They're better off just making a new game. Design a game around the controls and you have a better game. Spend more, but you'll make more..... Oh, wait, I'm making sense again and this is Konami..... Let's just back to thinking that Castlevania can't work with the Wii remote.......

[Smash_Brother]

I'm more convinced that the port will be coming than I would to defend the logic of it.

I'd vastly prefer a new MGS game as well, but if they started with ports of the original games and them moved up to a new one, it wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen, and ports are a cheap and easy way of establishing a fanbase on a console before releasing a new game for it so you can then recoup the losses incurred by making a new game.

I'm not saying it's favorable to the fans, but I know for a fact that Konami would be more willing to bring MGS to the Wii if they could do it cheaply and easily (just look at Elebits!). Once they get the ball rolling, it WILL open the door for more MGS games and in the end, that's what we all want.

[darknight06]

What's the logic in that though?  They didn't do this with the PSP, no no, it got new games even if they were different from the main series style.  Why the hell should folks like me who bought the system settle with TS.  That game would sell just as well on the Wii as it did the GC, not at all.  Why, because Konami will not back the game again just like they did the last time.  If they're gonna port an old game, why not 2 and 3?  That would make more sense, oh there's that word again, "sense"...

[Kairon]

I'd prefer a new MGS spinoff, similar to RE:UC...

[vudu]

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Originally posted by: Adrock
I paid $50 for Twin Snakes in 2004.

Twin Snakes was released at $40.  

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
After today's SSBB update, I'm convinced.

I'm still waiting for some of your other predictions to come true.  

[Adrock]

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I'd vastly prefer a new MGS game as well, but if they started with ports of the original games and them moved up to a new one, it wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen, and ports are a cheap and easy way of establishing a fanbase on a console before releasing a new game for it so you can then recoup the losses incurred by making a new game.

That's IF they released a new game after the ports.

Also, I don't buy the whole "establishing a fanbase" on Wii argument because the series is recognizable enough that it doesn't need an introduction. This wouldn't be for non-gamers. Metal Gear already has a fanbase and you're more likely to entice them to buy a Wii with a well-made and more importantly, new title. On top of that, if it's a good game, serious gamers, like you or me, who already have a Wii and may or may not be Metal Gear fans (as well as those who see Snake in Brawl) are more likely to pick it up if it's new and takes full advantage of Wii hardware.

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Twin Snakes was released at $40.

My point still stands!

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: vudu I'm still waiting for some of your other predictions to come true.  

Me too.

I never said it wouldn't take time.

[Jonnyboy117]

Twin Snakes on GameCube was already too soon for a remake of a game that was, at the time, only five years old.  And of course, the remake ended up being not much different from the original, save for better graphics and slightly broken gameplay.  It is certainly WAY too early for a remake of the remake of the original game, which is not even ten years old yet.

The best game in the series so far is definitely MGS3, but for the same reason above, I just don't think it's worth remaking it this soon after the original release (especially when it's already been made... as Subsistence on PS2!).  What Kojima should really do is create a new MGS game for Wii or even DS.  They've made three of them already for PSP yet have ignored the huger DS userbase.  I think they could make something very compelling even with the technology limitations.  Remember that MGS: Ghost Babel for Game Boy Color was at the top of GameRankings for a long time.  (Yeah, that was a statistical quirk, but it's obviously an excellent game on very limited hardware.)

[Smash_Brother]

I think the word "remake" is being used when it should be replaced with the word "port".

RE4 to RE4 Wii wasn't a remake, it was a port.

That's what I'm predicting for the Wii: an updated port of TS, not yet another remaking of the game.

[Svevan]

A port, maybe, but considering the parties involved have no love for each other (SK, Konami, Nintendo), I doubt it will happen.

It would make much more sense to port over number 2, or even 3, and I think there's more evidence for that: I was surprised to see that SSB:B will include Metal Gear Ray and "another, newer" Metal Gear? What? Nintendo normally doesn't advertise other people's software that easily, especially since MGS3 came out very recently comparatively.

The voice acting thing means nothing. David Hayter says he went into Nintendo to do the voices for SSB:B, end of story. Considering that he is DONE with that voice acting session, there is no evidence that anything he did would be used for a new game, or that he would be coming back.

Twin Snakes was a total failure on the Cube (due to many reasons, most of them outside of the game itself). Porting a hugely successful game like RE4 makes sense from a publisher's standpoint; porting a terribly unsuccessful remake of a great game like Twin Snakes makes sense from a consumer's standpoint only. MGS2 or 3 I think are much more likely, but even then chances are slim. I retain hope though! Waggle + MGS = win.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Svevanbut considering the parties involved have no love for each other (SK, Konami, Nintendo), I doubt it will happen.

Then what is Snake doing in Brawl in the first place?

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It would make much more sense to port over number 2, or even 3, and I think there's more evidence for that: I was surprised to see that SSB:B will include Metal Gear Ray and "another, newer" Metal Gear? What? Nintendo normally doesn't advertise other people's software that easily, especially since MGS3 came out very recently comparatively.

I just assumed that they'd logically start with TS since it would be the easiest AND cheapest.

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Twin Snakes was a total failure on the Cube (due to many reasons, most of them outside of the game itself). Porting a hugely successful game like RE4 makes sense from a publisher's standpoint; porting a terribly unsuccessful remake of a great game like Twin Snakes makes sense from a consumer's standpoint only.

Given the fact that the game already runs natively on GC hardware, the cost of porting it and repackaging it would be a pittance. Adding waggle to the game would likewise be easy.

The game did so badly on GC because:

1. It wasn't advertised nearly enough.

2. The GC did everything it could to repel older gamers like a magnet and it already had a smaller userbase by comparison.

3. News of MGS3 overshadowed it.

The Wii is not only getting better word of mouth in general, but M games haven't been total flops like they have been on the GC. The fact that RE4 has sold 750k copies and this is the 4th release it's seen is a testament to the fact that the fanbase for M games exists.

I see this as not costing a great deal more than Elebits did. The game already runs of GC hardware. Even with no graphical update, the game is still better graphically than most Wii games out there.

If they rereleased TS for Wii, I couldn't possibly imagine any money being lost on it, even at a budget price of $30.

[Svevan]

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Originally posted by: Svevanbut considering the parties involved have no love for each other (SK, Konami, Nintendo), I doubt it will happen.

Then what is Snake doing in Brawl in the first place?

Because Konami and Nintendo can work together, no prob. What I meant was that there's no love between these three regarding Twin Snakes. It's an embarrassment, and SK's involvement (and eventual departure from Nintendo) can do nothing but sour the project in Konami's mind. No one reveres the Twin Snakes version of the game - it's a black sheep anomaly. Why repeat a mistake?

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It would make much more sense to port over number 2, or even 3, and I think there's more evidence for that: I was surprised to see that SSB:B will include Metal Gear Ray and "another, newer" Metal Gear? What? Nintendo normally doesn't advertise other people's software that easily, especially since MGS3 came out very recently comparatively.

I just assumed that they'd logically start with TS since it would be the easiest AND cheapest.

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Twin Snakes was a total failure on the Cube (due to many reasons, most of them outside of the game itself). Porting a hugely successful game like RE4 makes sense from a publisher's standpoint; porting a terribly unsuccessful remake of a great game like Twin Snakes makes sense from a consumer's standpoint only.

Given the fact that the game already runs natively on GC hardware, the cost of porting it and repackaging it would be a pittance. Adding waggle to the game would likewise be easy.

The game did so badly on GC because:

1. It wasn't advertised nearly enough.

2. The GC did everything it could to repel older gamers like a magnet and it already had a smaller userbase by comparison.

3. News of MGS3 overshadowed it.

The Wii is not only getting better word of mouth in general, but M games haven't been total flops like they have been on the GC. The fact that RE4 has sold 750k copies and this is the 4th release it's seen is a testament to the fact that the fanbase for M games exists.

I see this as not costing a great deal more than Elebits did. The game already runs of GC hardware. Even with no graphical update, the game is still better graphically than most Wii games out there.

If they rereleased TS for Wii, I couldn't possibly imagine any money being lost on it, even at a budget price of $30.

Even if you're right about the low cost (and I don't think you are, considering waggle isn't something you just "add," you'd have to redesign the game, also advertising costs money, and I'm sure there's royalties for these voice actors and many many other things to consider), Konami would have to have the idea to do it. And they don't, as far as we know. Like I said, if we're just going off of the evidence and pure logic, MGS 2 or 3 ported over makes much more sense. But not enough sense for even that to happen!

I think I agree with Jonny. We'll probably see a from-scratch MGS game on Wii soon. Maybe it will be a recap of all three games, a la RE? Who knows.

And I'm not saying I would be unhappy if these events occurred, Smash - I just don't think they will, especially since the evidence you've presented is 1) There's MGS voice acting in SSB:B, 2) It wouldn't cost that much, and 3) You've got a gut feeling.

I hope your gut has a high accuracy rating.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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