Author Topic: Official SSBB SmashDate Discussion (Read 609796 times)

Louieturkey · « **Reply #325 on:** August 16, 2007, 05:19:26 AM »

But that's the point, those threads are about speculation. This thread is about facts. It's a discussion about the currect update on the Smashbros.com site. While there will be speculation about things because we cannot help ourselves, we try to keep that out of this thread. Speculation leads to megathreads.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #326 on:** August 16, 2007, 05:22:37 AM »

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But that's the point, those threads are about speculation. This thread is about facts. It's a discussion about the currect update on the Smashbros.com site. While there will be speculation about things because we cannot help ourselves, we try to keep that out of this thread. Speculation leads to megathreads.

Exactly...(But don't be afraid to speculate if it has something to do with the update itself...It's the off-topic "such and such will lead to such" rants I want to avoid...)

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #327 on:** August 16, 2007, 05:56:33 AM »

Fair enough, but don't get mad at me when I drop something counter-consensus into this thread.

...Like how I think the whip update is bland and uninteresting.

UERD · « **Reply #328 on:** August 16, 2007, 05:57:49 AM »

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I drop something counter-consensus into this thread.

Bill's old 'OBEY' avatar comes to mind.

Arbok · « **Reply #329 on:** August 16, 2007, 06:16:24 AM »

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And people here are making baseless assumptions when they assume Brawl WILL be balanced and well tested. There's no evidence to suggest that this will be the case at all.

I'll say it right now: there will be tiers in Brawl. Some character will probably be seen as too powerful, some character seen as too weak. It happens. If that qualifies as "untested" and "unbalanced" I suggest you avoid games in the fighting genre altogether.

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Long story short, we whipped ourselves into a rabid fan frenzy and, when the game finally came out, a number of people on the boards were disappointed with it, a lot even leaving the boards and seeing what the Xbox was like, and I'm quite certain all of the hype had something to do with that. They could have used a dose of reality in the face of all that optimism.

I was more excited for Melee than any other game when it came out. After release, it went on to become my favorite game of all time. You might think Melee is a poor game compared to the original... but that doesn't mean everyone does or that most of us have a reason to think we should be dissapointed with Brawl with the current hype.

I have no problem with you and GP expressing your opinion, but could both of you please stop the martyr act, like you are doing us all a favor with negative opinions.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #330 on:** August 16, 2007, 07:24:29 AM »

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I have no problem with you and GP expressing your opinion, but could both of you please stop the martyr act, like you are doing us all a favor with negative opinions.

Shows how much you've read of what I've posted, I've praised Brawl on many occassions. What Smash and I are saying isn't that we are martyrs (Nice way to try to diffuse this with such a stupid comment) but that our opinions on the game are just as valid as anyone elses, that this doesn't need to be "Don't say anything bad about Smash Brothers Brawl thread". Believe it or not but sometimes it doesn't hurt to have opinions against the majority. What yourself and others are saying are doing nothing more than proving how vapid fanbois can be when it comes to opinions that may not correlate with your own.

I got jumped on when I suggested that we don't know enough about the single player to get hyped or not hyped about it, even when I said it showed promise. Then you jump over Smash for saying what? That he hopes extras like the stickers won't take away from the rest of the gameplay? Talk about being an overly sensitive fanboi. Personally I like the stickers but after being slightly let down by the seemingly rushed state of Melee (still a great game though) I worry about Brawl as well when I see all these neat little things.

Adrock · « **Reply #331 on:** August 16, 2007, 07:38:30 AM »

I just realized something about this quote...

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I'll put that box of fire ants in the mail right away if Brawl is poorly balanced because Sakurai had the dev team working on the sticker interface instead of beta testing.

Development teams at Nintendo don't beta test. Nintendo has their own debugging team called the Super Mario Club and it's supposed to be one of the best in the world. I believe it considering how polished most Nintendo games are.

So really, this isn't the development team's fault. They submit a game for testing and await feedback. The publisher and to a lesser degree, the debugging team, are far more responsible for the release of an unbalanced or faulty game. The publisher wants to rush a game out to make money while the debugging team might actually miss something.

Arbok · « **Reply #332 on:** August 16, 2007, 07:59:14 AM »

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What Smash and I are saying isn't that we are martyrs (Nice way to try to diffuse this with such a stupid comment) but that our opinions on the game are just as valid as anyone elses, that this doesn't need to be "Don't say anything bad about Smash Brothers Brawl thread".

But yet you reach for the "fanboi" comment in that reply. Phrases like bringing things down to "land levels" and "bringing people to reality" have also been tossed around, adding in the element of wishing less to just get your opinion heard and more to act for the "greater good" for the sake of others. It just comes off as martyrdom to me, as people place them self as a victim while fending off others as "everything is positive" fanboys.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #333 on:** August 16, 2007, 08:06:37 AM »

In response to Dasmos I didn't hate Melee as much as S_B did but the game was rushed and the proof was everywhere.

Also, what is going on here is that the hype meter is so off the charts that when anyone mentions something negative or overly critical its like screeching nails on a chalkboard. Its what hype does, unfortunately. It gets your hopes up so much that the idea of it being flawed is an extremely foreign one (not that Brawl will be a bad game but rest assured there will be flaws present).

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #334 on:** August 16, 2007, 08:20:22 AM »

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What Smash and I are saying isn't that we are martyrs (Nice way to try to diffuse this with such a stupid comment) but that our opinions on the game are just as valid as anyone elses, that this doesn't need to be "Don't say anything bad about Smash Brothers Brawl thread".

But yet you reach for the "fanboi" comment in that reply. Phrases like bringing things down to "land levels" and "bringing people to reality" have also been tossed around, adding in the element of wishing less to just get your opinion heard and more to act for the "greater good" for the sake of others. It just comes off as martyrdom to me, as people place them self as a victim while fending off others as "everything is positive" fanboys.

Can you please tell me where I used any of those terms?

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #335 on:** August 16, 2007, 08:24:53 AM »

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So really, this isn't the development team's fault. They submit a game for testing and await feedback. The publisher and to a lesser degree, the debugging team, are far more responsible for the release of an unbalanced or faulty game. The publisher wants to rush a game out to make money while the debugging team might actually miss something.

I'd object to the dev team not taking the comments of the beta testers to heart or not having enough time (which I hope isn't the case).

Honestly, Pap has raised some interesting points, one of which is that, since Brawl appears slower than Melee, I will very likely love Brawl while many people here will complain that it's too slow, since people seem to love Melee so much and typically for its speed.

Kairon · « **Reply #336 on:** August 16, 2007, 08:29:47 AM »

I have no problem with slow. Just give me fun.

... and stickers.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #337 on:** August 16, 2007, 08:34:28 AM »

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I have no problem with slow. Just give me fun.

... and stickers.

I can find NOTHING to disagree with in that statement.

Strell · « **Reply #338 on:** August 16, 2007, 09:09:51 AM »

Strell · « **Reply #339 on:** August 16, 2007, 09:10:02 AM »

Edit: The kid's hair is actually blond. This thread made him bleed out his f*cking ears.

Mashiro · « **Reply #340 on:** August 16, 2007, 11:31:02 AM »

::sigh:: work = missing all the fun forum arguments.

Bill = Win though =) that is all.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #341 on:** August 16, 2007, 11:36:34 AM »

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::sigh:: work = missing all the fun forum arguments.

Bill = Win though =) that is all.

Well of course, he agrees with you.

Mashiro · « **Reply #342 on:** August 16, 2007, 12:29:05 PM »

I guess you could call it agreeing with me but it's more to the point that Bill showed logic with:

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Lack of evidence DOES NOT QUALIFY AS EVIDENCE...That is the whole issue here...There is no point in constantly whining about something when there's no evidence of it not being there...It's like the whining I saw about stickers replacing trophies when there was absolutely no evidence of that being the case...

It's the truth, plain and simple. So Bill = Win because of truth not because he agrees with me.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #343 on:** August 16, 2007, 12:33:21 PM »

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I guess you could call it agreeing with me but it's more to the point that Bill showed logic with:

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Lack of evidence DOES NOT QUALIFY AS EVIDENCE...That is the whole issue here...There is no point in constantly whining about something when there's no evidence of it not being there...It's like the whining I saw about stickers replacing trophies when there was absolutely no evidence of that being the case...

It's the truth, plain and simple. So Bill = Win because of truth not because he agrees with me.

Then on the flip side you shouldn't be praising something when you know little about it, or guessing that certain things will be in the game when there is no evidence.

Mashiro · « **Reply #344 on:** August 16, 2007, 12:34:54 PM »

Such as?

UERD · « **Reply #345 on:** August 16, 2007, 12:37:14 PM »

All people have been saying is 'we hope the game turns out good'. Like it or not, all we have to go by until someone posts detailed impressions or gets the game is faith (and induction) that Nintendo will do a good job, as we don't have any objective evidence. And I don't think we should be calling out people for that faith, or lack thereof.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #346 on:** August 16, 2007, 12:38:39 PM »

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Such as?

Such as the single player being great, when we know jack about it.

Mashiro · « **Reply #347 on:** August 16, 2007, 12:52:47 PM »

Single player in Smash = normal arcade fighter experience

Single player in Melee = unique concept of trying to revisit some worlds of the video game past with Melee's fighters. Wasn't the most polished single player in the world and had room for improvement.

Single Player Brawl = we know there will be cut scenes, unique stages, and that Sakurai has pushed and wanted to make the single player aspect of Smash a much better experience than before.

That's where my assumptions come from but if you would look back on the forums you'll notice I said that it being a good single player experience would be icing on the cake. I didn't say it would be astonishing I just said it made me hyped for the game.

And then people started saying how the multiplayer would suffer . . .

Sooooo yeah =) I didn't quite stand up and say "instant greatness single player mode" or anything. I just said logically it should be a good experience based on Melee's single player game and comparing it to what they are doing with Brawl (or say they are doing).

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #348 on:** August 16, 2007, 12:54:33 PM »

It is kind of funny I beat the single player experience the other day by having DK slap the ground in Melee.

Mashiro · « **Reply #349 on:** August 16, 2007, 12:56:12 PM »

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It is kind of funny I beat the single player experience the other day by having DK slap the ground in Melee.

Lol. In the original?

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