Author Topic: SUPER SMASH BROS BRAWL - The New Megathread (Read 457914 times)

Mashiro · « **Reply #2175 on:** August 09, 2007, 09:51:03 AM »

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Well I certainly have a shortage of plucky young adolescent boys with wild long hair wielding swords where they save the world alongside their childhood female friend.

I really wish every company in the world would suddenly use that template as their RPG main character, because it's such an untapped resource.

Hey - maybe they could make the girl look like she's 12. That would be awesome.

So because something is overly used you can make blanket statements such that anime or Japanese inspired animation =/= any sort of art and design?

Yeah good point man, well thought out!

Strell · « **Reply #2176 on:** August 09, 2007, 09:55:31 AM »

I'm sorry, is there a reason I can't?

Tired boring design in every RPG means I can't call it devoid of design?

You're right. When every RPG in the world features Cloud but with a different shade of hair, that's design at its best.

Let's go back to debating what sex appeal is, and about how if someone is in a skin tight uniform, that instantly means they can't be seen as anything more than sex object, because that's just the way things are.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #2177 on:** August 09, 2007, 09:57:02 AM »

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I'm sorry, is there a reason I can't?

Tired boring design in every RPG means I can't call it devoid of design?

You're right. When every RPG in the world features Cloud but with a different shade of hair, that's design at its best.

Let's go back to debating what sex appeal is, and about how if someone is in a skin tight uniform, that instantly means they can't be seen as anything more than sex object, because that's just the way things are.

That is the primary reason behind the choice of skin tight uniforms, especially when you have something as busty and unrealistically "endowed" as Samus who looks like she is built more for the anime swimsuit magazine not as a battle hardened, yet attractive bounty hunter feared and respected around galaxy.

Mashiro · « **Reply #2178 on:** August 09, 2007, 09:57:02 AM »

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Originally posted by: Strell
I'm sorry, is there a reason I can't?

Tired boring design in every RPG means I can't call it devoid of design?

You're right. When every RPG in the world features Cloud but with a different shade of hair, that's design at its best.

Let's go back to debating what sex appeal is, and about how if someone is in a skin tight uniform, that instantly means they can't be seen as anything more than sex object, because that's just the way things are.

Oh really? Hang tight for a second while I prove how grossly over exaggerated your statements are (and once again how you blanket ALL OF ANIME into RPGS). Ignorance is bliss.

Edit: Oh I'll make a separate thread for this as to not derail this one. Continue one with sexy discussion

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #2179 on:** August 09, 2007, 09:59:11 AM »

I like how the topic discussion is good for the first few hours of the day, and then falls into a pit of despair...Despair, I tell you! And the weekends...Oh God, the weekends...

Strell · « **Reply #2180 on:** August 09, 2007, 09:59:20 AM »

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That is the primary reason behind especially when you have something as busty and unrealistically portioned as Samus.

She doesn't look any more out of place than Lara Croft, and I doubt there's going to be a huge jiggle factor since that's not Nintendo's MO, so this doesn't strike me as suddenly nothing more than sex appeal when we've got games like Dead or Alive running around.

Kairon · « **Reply #2181 on:** August 09, 2007, 09:59:41 AM »

I sense the beginnings of another epic battle over a cursory subject in the Smash Bros. thread.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #2182 on:** August 09, 2007, 10:01:23 AM »

There will be temporary bans over this when the times comes...I'll be clearing this with Ty later... =3

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #2183 on:** August 09, 2007, 10:04:01 AM »

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That is the primary reason behind especially when you have something as busty and unrealistically portioned as Samus.

She doesn't look any more out of place than Lara Croft, and I doubt there's going to be a huge jiggle factor since that's not Nintendo's MO, so this doesn't strike me as suddenly nothing more than sex appeal when we've got games like Dead or Alive running around.

I really wouldn't consider Laura Croft or the DOA designs as what Samus should look like, the Metroid series tone and her portrayal in the series should be taken into consideration.

Mashiro · « **Reply #2184 on:** August 09, 2007, 10:07:53 AM »

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That is the primary reason behind especially when you have something as busty and unrealistically portioned as Samus.

She doesn't look any more out of place than Lara Croft, and I doubt there's going to be a huge jiggle factor since that's not Nintendo's MO, so this doesn't strike me as suddenly nothing more than sex appeal when we've got games like Dead or Alive running around.

I really wouldn't consider Laura Croft or the DOA designs as what Samus should look like, the Metroid series tone and her portrayal in the series should be taken into consideration.

/agreed

Hell I don't even give the DoA series respect anymore as it's just a big cash cow for horny gamers who get off on seeing hot polygons bounce around the screen and they say it's a good game.

Strell · « **Reply #2185 on:** August 09, 2007, 10:08:41 AM »

If we're going to look at it from that perspective, then we might as well throw a fit about her hair no longer being red, especially since - as someone said, I'm not paying close enough attention to who - said she's apparently sporting some Barbie look with the blond hair (which, ironically, is another generalization, prone to saying blonds can't kick some ass).

All I'm saying is that the context of things, she's going to get compared to other characters, especially fighting characters, and at that point the whole comparison seems to break down.

Taki is much the same way in Soul Calibur - she's skin tight and her breasts goggle around. But compared to DOA it's completely negligable.

If we're going to sit here and say she looks like nothing more than sex appeal, it just seems to fall apart when we get outside of our concentrated bubble.

A better argument might be that Sheik is Zelda, but she looks like a total hard ass and plays like one, and doesn't seem to perv it up.

Kairon · « **Reply #2186 on:** August 09, 2007, 10:09:42 AM »

I don't think there should be temporary bans over some harmless fun!

But seriously guys, let's not make the mistake of thinking that just because someone is beutiful, it therefore follows that they must be vapid as well. Yes yes, I started this whole thing, but I repent! I see the light! I was wrong ok!!! ... doesn't mean I have to like her art design though.

Mashiro · « **Reply #2187 on:** August 09, 2007, 10:11:35 AM »

I dislike the Zero suit design as well as it fails at giving any sex appeal.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #2188 on:** August 09, 2007, 10:15:20 AM »

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I don't think there should be temporary bans over some harmless fun!

But seriously guys, let's not make the mistake of thinking that just because someone is beutiful, it therefore follows that they must be vapid as well. Yes yes, I started this whole thing, but I repent! I see the light! I was wrong ok!!! ... doesn't mean I have to like her art design though.

Fake/bigbreasted/1inch waist/stereotypical game design female characters are not beautiful especially for a battle hardened and already established character design for Metroid. Why must Nintendo turn Samus into your copy cat game design barbie doll woman? WHat is wrong with her being more toned, proportional, and yet still remain very attractive?

Kairon · « **Reply #2189 on:** August 09, 2007, 10:16:56 AM »

Well, then, let's not discriminate against the surgically enhanced. No matter how much silcone they contain, they're still people!

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #2190 on:** August 09, 2007, 10:17:29 AM »

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Well, then, let's not discriminate against the surgically enhanced. No matter how much silcone they contain, they're still people!

Lol. I can just imagine Samus getting a breast job done on her down time from fighting aliens around the galaxy with her life in danger at all times.

"Before I go into battle I think I need to make my hair nice, get a boob job which could hinder my mobility, put on some makeup, and wear skin tight uniforms"

Mashiro · « **Reply #2191 on:** August 09, 2007, 10:18:56 AM »

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I don't think there should be temporary bans over some harmless fun!

But seriously guys, let's not make the mistake of thinking that just because someone is beutiful, it therefore follows that they must be vapid as well. Yes yes, I started this whole thing, but I repent! I see the light! I was wrong ok!!! ... doesn't mean I have to like her art design though.

Fake/bigbreasted/1inch waist/stereotypical game design female characters are not beautiful especially for a battle hardened and already established character design for Metroid. Why must Nintendo turn Samus into your copy cat game design barbie doll woman? WHat is wrong with her being more toned, proportional, and yet still remain very attractive?

well said GP well said.

stevey · « **Reply #2192 on:** August 09, 2007, 10:23:35 AM »

lol, this is one of the most silliest debate I've ever read on the net

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Pal in her stockings or Z-Suit Samus in her skin-tight glory, all I'm saying is this is clearly intentional on Nintendo's part. They're probably aiming for an older audience.

Nintendo would never intentionally try to mature up their games. They want them to be fun to everyone not just 13yr old boys. Also if Nintendo was trying to then it wouldn't be Z-suit Samus but NO-suit Samus or at least bikini Samus and as for Pal, aren't most goddess usually show as nearly/completely nude anyway. Everything else, I blame on game programmer with 18 hour shift who haven't seen daylight for over 2 years

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ok well then maybe she is but i'd rather her not be riding link that's malin job

Malin? Do you mean Marin or Malon? Yes, there a difference

Strell · « **Reply #2193 on:** August 09, 2007, 10:28:13 AM »

I want to point out the irony of complaining about ZSS being in, well, a full body suit, when we should all expect a bathing suit whenever Samus's armor comes off.

Kairon · « **Reply #2194 on:** August 09, 2007, 10:30:08 AM »

Like I said before, this isn't an intentional sexing up, but Nintendo simply keeping up with the more skin-friendly culture we have now where its acceptable for kids to worship Xtina and such.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #2195 on:** August 09, 2007, 10:32:49 AM »

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I want to point out the irony of complaining about ZSS being in, well, a full body suit, when we should all expect a bathing suit whenever Samus's armor comes off.

The zero suit makes way more sense than a bathing suit for wearing under that armor. That would chafe.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #2196 on:** August 09, 2007, 10:35:52 AM »

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I want to point out the irony of complaining about ZSS being in, well, a full body suit, when we should all expect a bathing suit whenever Samus's armor comes off.

For some odd reason I don't believe my points focused on what she was wearing for the most port but more of he overall body design. Personally I don't care much about the zero suit either way, it is what they did to the rest of her model in order to sexualize the skin tight suit more.

Strell · « **Reply #2197 on:** August 09, 2007, 10:37:14 AM »

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The zero suit makes way more sense than a bathing suit for wearing under that armor. That would chafe.

My power suit doesn't chafe me.

Maybe it's a woman thing.

GP: It just doesn't seem intentional, and seems pretty innocuous compared to other things. But such is differing viewpoints.

stevey · « **Reply #2198 on:** August 09, 2007, 10:39:19 AM »

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I want to point out the irony of complaining about ZSS being in, well, a full body suit, when we should all expect a bathing suit whenever Samus's armor comes off.

The zero suit makes way more sense than a bathing suit for wearing under that armor. That would chafe.

But wouldnt it get HOT with zero suit and armor on.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #2199 on:** August 09, 2007, 10:44:02 AM »

I'm sure the suit is air conditioned.

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