Author Topic: Capcom has a lot of Wii games planned, but... (Read 33965 times)

jasonditz · « **Reply #25 on:** February 10, 2007, 01:19:08 PM »

What can you say about capcom? They're usually wrong about the industry and they couldn't market themselves out of a paper bag. If they didn't have such an impressive collection of developers they'd be totally irrelevant by now.

The Omen · « **Reply #26 on:** February 10, 2007, 01:19:18 PM »

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As the conversation went on, however, it became more and more apparent that NONE of the five people knew anything about other games for the Wii outside of Wii Sports, nor did they really seem to care. Someone mentioned Warioware, and the only response it got was someone saying it looked weird. Nobody knew what Wii Play or Wii Music was, and they weren't really interested when I described them. There was basically a room full of non-gamers that wanted to buy a Wii simply for Wii Sports.

Well, why would they know anything about Wii Music and the like? They were just introduced to the Wii. I think the plan is get 'em hooked then push the hard stuff.

For example, leading up to the Wii release, all of my friends either made fun of my intent to buy the Wii or were vocal supporters of the PS3. Last night was the first time we hung at my house since I bought the Wii. The first thing out of my friends mouth was "We going to play the Wii tonight or what?" My other buddy joined in, and soon enough they were in awe of the Wii menu with all of my VC channels. Then we got to Bowling, and we played for 2 hours. They were loving it. My one buddy played a full 18 holes of golf as we sat and drank a few beers. The last conversation of the night was my him asking me how much the Wii cost, and his guess was $300. When I informed him of the price, and the fact that he would get Wii Sports with it, his eyes lit up. I personally expect them both to buy it now.

And when they buy it, they will be introduced to other games, games they might have purchased for their PS2 prior to last night. And that's where Capcom doesn't get it. The Wii market is growing rapidly, and now would be the time to announce something daring, or hell, even a port of Dead Rising. It will sell. They just don't seem to understand M titles have to be released in order to have a chance to succeed financially. They seem to think it's more cost effective to ship certain games to certain platforms. In my opinion, it's always better to reach the most consumers with all of your products. Not for Capcom, I guess.

Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #27 on:** February 10, 2007, 03:45:41 PM »

Capcom's always been right on the money.

Supporting Saturn more than PlayStation (until they were forced not to when it died a horrible death), not supporting Nintendo 64, throwing massive support at the crappy Dreamcast, choosing PSP over DS, remaking Resident Evil over and over even though nobody wants them, putting Dino Crisis 3 on Xbox instead of PlayStation 2. I trust whatever these wise sages have to say. They're even better than Sonic Team and Acclaim.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #28 on:** February 10, 2007, 03:59:20 PM »

Technically, you can add the GC to that list...

The irony I see here is that Sonic Team might be pulling Sonic from the toilet with SR while Capcom is intent upon filling the bowl with their franchises.

Why the HELL are they supporting the 360? The Wii ALREADY has 60% of the Japanese next gen market! SIXTY FRIGGIN' PERCENT, FOR F*CK'S SAKE!!!!!!111!!!! The 360 has a piddly 350,000 units sold. Even the goddamn PS3 has more than that and yet everyone agrees that it's a PoS failure in Japan.

Ah well. Maybe I'll buy the RE Wii game if it's any good. With the plethora of other games we're seeing, I'm not going to miss the others (not that I ever played the others to start with, mind you...).

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #29 on:** February 10, 2007, 04:21:01 PM »

SB: Japan isn't the only market Capcom is participating in making games for. Their most recent game looks like it has a very Western design to it so it would seem that they are mostly focusing on the U.S./N.A. market. Which should be obvious since 360 doesn't exist anywhere besides the N.A. and U.K. markets.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #30 on:** February 10, 2007, 04:27:53 PM »

True, and I can see that's the market they're aiming for, but once the Wii passes the 360 in the US (and it will), then Capcom will be pledging all of their mature franchises for a console which is second in the US and UK and dead last in Japan. Not a good recipe for decent sales...

I'm pretty sure MS moneyhatted them somewhere along the line, or maybe Capcom just really is that dumb...

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #31 on:** February 10, 2007, 04:28:00 PM »

Smash was talking about Japan because Capcom themselves seem to be using it as a measuring stick with this comment:

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We see it as being very, very broad with a family focus (especially in Japan).

Which is absolutely ridiculous considering how much Xbox 360 is struggling in Japan.

jasonditz · « **Reply #32 on:** February 10, 2007, 04:35:47 PM »

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True, and I can see that's the market they're aiming for, but once the Wii passes the 360 in the US (and it will), then Capcom will be pledging all of their mature franchises for a console which is second in the US and UK and dead last in Japan. Not a good recipe for decent sales...

Is that really so different from when Capcom was commiting heavily to the Gamecube?

Their ineffectual marketing lends itself well to developing for second tier systems.

The Omen · « **Reply #33 on:** February 10, 2007, 04:37:02 PM »

what do you guys think of this quote from Svennson over at the Capcom forums?:
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I hope that your suprise is the Mature title Dead Rising, because the melee combat in this game could work very well in combination with the wiimote. Yet, if the answer to the previous was "Yes, RE will be the only one as far as we are concerned at the moment" then this is just wishfull thinking.

Sven: Interesting idea. No comment other than that though.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #34 on:** February 10, 2007, 04:39:52 PM »

Dead Rising would be a great fit for Wii, and I think it is quite possible to port it over without the visuals taking a huge hit.

Adrock · « **Reply #35 on:** February 10, 2007, 04:50:50 PM »

At the same time, there's little to no competition on 360 in Japan. Maybe Capcom is hoping that since support for the platform is so limited, they can corner that market with their titles. Hey, I'm not saying it makes sense, just that it might be a possibility.... that or as Smash_Brother said, maybe they're just dumb........

Wii should have more support, but it doesn't. I really can't figure out why.

Kairon · « **Reply #36 on:** February 10, 2007, 04:53:25 PM »

Screw Japan, US X360 sales is enough to support Capcom's mature game efforts. I don't see any stupidity on Capcom's part at all.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
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Smash_Brother · « **Reply #37 on:** February 10, 2007, 05:19:40 PM »

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Originally posted by: Adrock Wii should have more support, but it doesn't. I really can't figure out why.

That's the bottom line here.

Devs should be rushing to support the Wii but some of them are just far too timid for their own good.

I'd say they're afraid of developing on Nintendo consoles, but that totally ignores the DS...

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Screw Japan, US X360 sales is enough to support Capcom's mature game efforts. I don't see any stupidity on Capcom's part at all.

When the Wii passes the 360 in the US, Japan will probably have close to 5 million Wiis sold, making the Wii base around 15 million and rising while Capcom tries to carve up a piece of the 10 million 360 owners.

A year after that, I expect the Wii to have 20 million sold (or more) when the 360 will be lucky to reach 15 million.

When I question the wisdom of Capcom's decision, it's because they're not only snubbing their homeland but they're ignoring the larger user base.

It doesn't matter, though. Capcom will be downgrading their games for the Wii soon enough, just like they did for RE4 for the PS2.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #38 on:** February 10, 2007, 06:26:33 PM »

Who says a developer will be bound to one console for the whole generation? By the time the Wii passes the 360 in the US Capcom had enough time to gear up its Wii production. Also it sounds more like Capcom will support both the 360 and Wii, not just one of them for now.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #39 on:** February 10, 2007, 08:35:55 PM »

Wait, is Street Fighter kiddie or mature?

KDR_11k · « **Reply #40 on:** February 10, 2007, 08:39:39 PM »

Teen, actually.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #41 on:** February 10, 2007, 09:12:17 PM »

Even though I think Capcom will be dead wrong about Wii's userbase, after thinking about this it isn't nearly as bad if taken in context. Just because they said there aren't many mature titles in development that doesn't mean the extreme is all E games either, there could be a solid mixture of titles coming from (though I do worry a bit by their comments about the Wii's userbase being "younger") them in the way of "Mature" without being gory or obscene (if you ask me many "mature" titles are quite immature). But as was stated before if Wii ends up passing Xbox 360 and there is a proven track record "mature" rated games can sell, they will probably end up creating them for the Wii (then again their history has been sketchy at best when it comes to descisions).

KDR_11k · « **Reply #42 on:** February 10, 2007, 11:16:38 PM »

Come to think about it, it'd be stupid to make lots of M-rated games for the Wii because most of the people that were (re)introduced to gaming through the controller probably don't want to play games with a lot of violence.

The Omen · « **Reply #43 on:** February 11, 2007, 02:37:56 AM »

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Come to think about it, it'd be stupid to make lots of M-rated games for the Wii because most of the people that were (re)introduced to gaming through the controller probably don't want to play games with a lot of violence.

Why is that?

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #44 on:** February 11, 2007, 02:55:12 AM »

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Come to think about it, it'd be stupid to make lots of M-rated games for the Wii because most of the people that were (re)introduced to gaming through the controller probably don't want to play games with a lot of violence.

Tell that to every teenager I've talked to who f*cking loves the Wii and adores violent games like Red Steel, CoD3 and Far Cry.

The Wii makes believers out of everyone who uses it, even if they're the type who uses gaming as a yardstick for personal maturity. I'm talking about the same teenagers who were quick to call the GC and Mario "ghey", and now they love the Wii, especially titles which glorify violence like Red Steel.

These kids will more than likely get their hands on Manhunt 2 at some point. Believe me when I say that the Wii is "cool" with the teenage crowd who had previously abandoned Nintendo as being for children.

MarioAllStar · « **Reply #45 on:** February 11, 2007, 03:03:27 AM »

Not entirely. Some of my friends recently said that Wii Sports was the only good game for the system and once that wears off there is nothing left. According to one of them, Wii is "the worst system ever released". I tried to get an explanation on why the system fails so much, but I didn't get one. They all owned Xbox 360 systems, but have played the Wii at least once or twice. One of them cited Madden 2007 as a game that made the Wii horrible.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #46 on:** February 11, 2007, 03:11:33 AM »

The exception is, of course, going to be die-hard fanboys of other systems.

They'll all have Wiis before two years are up, once the other games they'll want are on the system. Watch.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #47 on:** February 11, 2007, 03:28:39 AM »

Those teenagers who love violence were probably playing games actively before the Wii came out. The new gamers don't like violence for the most part because they're normal people and violence is something horrible to them. They wouldn't play "mature" games. A game aimed at "everyone" isn't necessarily a kid's game, sports are rarely "mature" but they aren't exactly only for kids either. It's possible to make a game that appeals to both mature and immature (i.e. the kind that would complain about kids' games) people by involving neither large amounts of violence nor themes aimed solely at children. If the Wii appeals to lapsed and non-gamers it'll have a large part of its userbase not liking violent games.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #48 on:** February 11, 2007, 03:41:49 AM »

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If the Wii appeals to lapsed and non-gamers it'll have a large part of its userbase not liking violent games.

But, like I said, teenagers are BUYING THE WII. The same teenagers who couldn't see anything redeeming on the GC are already buying Wiis and enjoying them.

The whole point of the Wii is that it appeals to EVERYONE: non, lapsed, hardcore...whatever. It doesn't make a difference because the Wii is a intended to be a console for anyone.

The possibilities of non-games using the Wiimote are incredible, but the possibilities for new hardcore genres are likewise amazing. There's a reason games like Manhunt are being brought to the Wii and why companies like EA and Activision are refocusing their lineups on the Wii.

Capcom just likes to be the odd one out. They did it with the GC while the PS2 held the much higher userbase (though they ported most of the games to the PS2 anyway), they're doing it with the PSP while the DS is dominating and it seems they also intend to do so with the Wii.

I guess they truly do employ the business strategy of developing for the underdog console in the hopes that their games will be more embraced by a smaller userbase than they would be in a larger userbase because there's less competition on the underdog console.

My guess is this strategy didn't work as well on the GC because of the Nintendo fan 1st party mentality which used to pervade their consoles (ie buying only 1st party titles).

KDR_11k · « **Reply #49 on:** February 11, 2007, 04:14:58 AM »

Those teenagers would play a game that's aimed at everyone (which does not mean children here, something that doesn't involve a lot of violence but doesn't look like a cartoon either). Sure, they'd buy a "mature" game too but the rest of the users won't. Therefore a "mature" game would have a smaller potential userbase than a less violent game.

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